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[SenkiDala]

1) Like it or not but Gamepass is not going away anytime soon, even if MS becomes a full 3rd party publisher, they'd be the biggest in the history of gaming.
2) Why would it stop Sony ? They releaased the PS+ before MS and it's working well for them, they earn a LOT of money with PS+. It's not because MS is failing that Sony is too...

This thread is weird.

 

[Aguero9320]

Gamepass and PS+ will outlive console hardware.

 

[GymWolf]

No, sony only copy other people shit moves, not the good ones.

 

[UltimaKilo]

If sharks grew legs and lungs, would they compete against mammals for food?

 

[Sorcerer]

Don't see it man. Local hardware may not be the primary method of playing games with the masses at some point, but that doesn't mean there won't be enthusiasts who will want to buy and play on their own hardware. Businesses are showing us right now that hardware doesn't have to sell 10s of millions to be a worthwhile venture. Steam Deck and other handhelds don't sell in huge numbers, but that is still a viable segment for companies like Lenovo, Asus etc. Likewise, if the hardware exists, publishers will continue to push their games to it.

That brings up an interesting point, however. Are Lenovo, Rog and the like actually making a sizeable profit on the handhelds? I would assume Steam is making the money here, so much so that I assume that if Valve can get Steam OS on enough handhelds and possibly desktops, they can exit the hardware end of the Steam OS initiative and just concentrate on the software. Why make their own reference machine when 7 other manufactures have machines out making money for Valve with no effort? In fact, from what I understand if a vendor wants to use Steam OS on their platform Valve offers it for free.
Some speculation on the recent NerdNest podcast that Valve might actually give Lenovo a cut of game sales, don't know how that would work though as you can buy the games anywhere and play them anywhere

 

[Topher]

That brings up an interesting point, however. Are Lenovo, Rog and the like actually making a sizeable profit on the handhelds? I would assume Steam is making the money here, so much so that I assume that if Valve can get Steam OS on enough handhelds and possibly desktops, they can exit the hardware end of the Steam OS initiate and just concentrate on the software. Why make their own reference machine when 7 other manufactures have machines out making money for Valve with no effort? In fact, from what I understand if a vendor wants to use Steam OS on their platform Valve offers it for free.
Some speculation on the recent NerdNest podcast that Valve might actually giving Lenovo a cut of game sales, don't know how that would work though as you can buy the games anywhere and play them anywhere

Good points. Not going to dive into all of that because we are a bit off topic. Not sure what size profit Lenovo and Asus make, but I think if it wasn't enough then they would just stop selling. Seems like lots of companies are trying to jump into the handheld space so they see money to be made.

 

[Sooner]

Only idiots pay that much for GP.

Only idiots pay what Microsoft charges for GP? I guess, I can't argue.

 

[Rhazer Fusion]

I doubt it unless the demand for PS+ Plus or whatever else they have goes down significantly and even then I would expect a price increase instead of a cancellation.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Is that you David?

 

[bundylove]

If we look at facts.
Ever since gamepass game quality dropped.
Ever since ps premium game quality dropped.
Neither of these services put money back to fund new games .

 

[Felessan]

I genuinely don't understand the hateboner GAF has for gamepass. You get the opportinity to play a shitton of games for a very low subscription price yet people spend more time arguing what the value of Gamepass is for developers rather than gamers.

"Hey all, Gamepass is such a good deal for gamers, let's spend our time in discussing wether Gamepass is viable instead of actually playing games with Gamepass".

I've never seen a more self-sabotaging discussion than this.

A typical short-sightedness - prioritize short-term gains in exchange of long-term loss.
GP even though a good deal now, is a disaster in a long term, that hurting in long term both devs and players.

 

[Orbital2060]

Xbox is currently a mess on the console / hardware front and appears
to be to be going third party as quickly as possible (with optional hardware options for at least next gen)

If Gamepass were to go away
Would that mean PlayStation would no longer feel the need to continue PS+

I have both services, and there are so many AMAZING games on these services I would NEVER PURCHASED. I would have missed out and been ok with it. But thanks to these services I’m playing games I would never even think about reaching my wallet for.

 

[BlackTron]

A typical short-sightedness - prioritize short-term gains in exchange of long-term loss.
GP even though a good deal now, is a disaster in a long term, that hurting in long term both devs and players.

This is how people manage their own lives so good luck with a game sub service.

Even if you did sub to gp for whatever reason, even if it's just a game you wanted one month. Suddenly, I think that means you can't have a negative opinion on it, because you'd be supporting something bad. Combining the awareness that gp is bad for the industry, with the awareness that you are too small for it to matter whether you signed up or not so you are free to think so, is enlightenment.

 

[Bumblebeetuna]

If GamePass goes away it’s because MS left the hardware biz and Sony is now alone in the “next gen” market. I’m sure a lot of shit will change, for the worst.

 

[xrnzaaas]

Nothing is going away, MS doesn't even want to remove paid online for Xbox consoles, because they're earning too much by forcing people to pay for Gold and now for Core.

 

[Dorfdad]

If gamepass went away I 100% think Sony would remove plus. They are a business and any chance to crawl back some money they will take. This is why we need competition. Without out it there is no need to be consumer friendly.

 

[Sony]

A typical short-sightedness - prioritize short-term gains in exchange of long-term loss.
GP even though a good deal now, is a disaster in a long term, that hurting in long term both devs and players.

Stop worrying - as a gamer - on the long term effects for devs and players and enjoy it now. You're not Microsoft, you're not a developer and you're not an investment fund. It is an undispudetly good deal now.

 

[Harlock]

If gamepass go away the steam machine will rule even more.

 

[Cakeboxer]

Only idiots pay what Microsoft charges for GP? I guess, I can't argue.

Yes, if MS tolerates that you can buy GP in other countries you would be an idiot to pay more than necessary. They could easily stop this if they wanted, but they don't.

 

[Felessan]

Stop worrying - as a gamer - on the long term effects for devs and players and enjoy it now. You're not Microsoft, you're not a developer and you're not an investment fund. It is an undispudetly good deal now.

Long-term assessment is a separate thing to short-term benefit.
It's like using a credit card - no one stops you to indulge in spending spree on borrowed money, but it's wise to, at the same time, think about long term strategy of using credit money and how they will be repaid.
"Don't worry be happy" is often a recipe for disaster. You can be happy if you want, but you should have clear understanding of what circumstances and consequences are there.

You might not care, but some people think strategically and not only care about right here right now, but also about how their hobby will look in year, two or even five years into the future, what will be landscape for their favorite pastime.

Though for myself I find GP useless, I have it bought for 3 years (very cheap) and haven't turned xsx probably for an year already. Library just don't appeal to me - old, trash and MS-styled exclusives that I don't like.

 

[DenchDeckard]

I will make a bet that Gamepass and PS plus last longer than traditional Console hardware from MS and Sony.

 

[Sony]

Long-term assessment is a separate thing to short-term benefit.
It's like using a credit card - no one stops you to indulge in spending spree on borrowed money, but it's wise to, at the same time, think about long term strategy of using credit money and how they will be repaid.
"Don't worry be happy" is often a recipe for disaster. You can be happy if you want, but you should have clear understanding of what circumstances and consequences are there.

You might not care, but some people think strategically and not only care about right here right now, but also about how their hobby will look in year, two or even five years into the future, what will be landscape for their favorite pastime.

Though for myself I find GP useless, I have it bought for 3 years (very cheap) and haven't turned xsx probably for an year already. Library just don't appeal to me - old, trash and MS-styled exclusives that I don't like.

There couldn't be a worse comparison than credit cards. Like I don't even know where to begin.

Fair enough that you don't think GP is worth it for you because of the game library, but that doesn't make GP in of itself a bad deal.

It's like saying a game that is on sale for 95% off is a bad deal because you don't like the game. GamePass is objectively good value for the money.

 

[mdkirby]

ps+ is profitable, and whilst it does degrade value somewhat, it does so much less than games pass. It seems to be a viable model...so long as they never do the whole 'day one' stuff (except for occasional Indies)

 

[dragonyeuw]

If MS gets to a point where Gamepass has to end, that would mean they're exiting the gaming market. I don't see how they could pivot onto another model after that.

But just to answer the question at face value, no PS÷ doesn't go away. Sony would have less reason to make it any better in the absence of competition so you'll just pay more for less effort, because it has never been the core of their business. I think there have been very clear signs this generation that Sony really needs a competitor in this space to keep them honest (as would be the case in any healthy industry).

 

[Rawbutt Jellybean]

If gamepass went away I 100% think Sony would remove plus. They are a business and any chance to crawl back some money they will take. This is why we need competition. Without out it there is no need to be consumer friendly.

Not a chance they'd stop charging for online. The perks of the service would probably get worse though with no direct competition other than Nintendo and the 20th century games they give out.

 

[Bond007]

No its not going away, its easy money.
If Microsoft got rid of pay to play online- i don't even think Sony would reverse course their either. Not unless there was an uproar down the line.

Microsoft already got us here with both of these things and people loved the "value" until you actually realize your getting screwed. (Paying to play online and lack of ownership)

 

[Jibran#one]

U know why 5090 is 2k dollars? Because there is simply no competition from AMD
If gp goes away Sony will fuck us all in the ass with their monopoly.
I've said it before and I'll say it again these big corporations whether that's ms , Sony , Google ,apple or whatever.

 

[M1chl]

Why would they get rid of some service with constant revenue, even when user are not playing games on it?

Besides PSN Plus allows you to play multiplayer on non F2P games, so again even the basic tier stays

 

[ungalo]

What i find weird strategically from Microsoft is that they more or less standardized Gamepass so Gamepass PC and consoles are basically the same now, the catalog is only slightly different because of the exclusive games (exclusive to the platform i mean).

They could have given some remains of value to the Xbox console by only allowing console players to have the day one release (just like in the beginning when console players had way more games on Gamepass than PC players) while focusing on Steam on PC (the main interest on PC is the Steam money, Gamepass subscription is stagnant anyway).

But no they created a whole new tier on both platform to undermine Gamepass while still betting on it in some way. Just don't release day one on PC and that's it, keep it on console because you already don't sell shit.

 

[Felessan]

There couldn't be a worse comparison than credit cards. Like I don't even know where to begin.

It's like saying a game that is on sale for 95% off is a bad deal because you don't like the game. GamePass is objectively good value for the money.

Actually credit cards is a very good comparison. It's a deal that, looking reasonable, even objectively good, on paper, goes highwire due to perks of human behaviour, making it a long term mess.

Giving a 95% of discount a game at launch is a bad deal as it means that game will flop financially and developer go out of business. You'll get instant gratification of "free" game at expense of never see another game from same developers. If the game is excellent and dev is promising - it's a huge loss long-term.
There is a reason why games discounts follow sales drought and best games reduce price very slowly.
If a game is good - it should be rewarded with money, not only to offset the cost but also to allow dev to expand and bring more and better games. If the game is bad - it should flop with rapid discounts forcing dev to shrink or shutdown. It's survival of the fittest where good expands and bad contracts, the basis of healthy economy.

I don't really like freebies. Because someone has to pay for them anyway. And it always will be consumer in the end, either in indirect costs or in future opportunities.

 

[Kvally]

• Xbox is currently a mess on the console
• going third party as quickly as possible
• If Gamepass were to go away