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IGN's Top 100 RPGs of All Time
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Sure thing dude.
whatsinaname
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Vincent Grayson
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I mean, you're not wrong, but I just don't see the "RPGness" of a game like Bloodborne or the Souls titles. You could have players choose a couple weapons or a "class" at the start and remove stat building entirely and it wouldn't change the game much at all.
The core of these games is player skill, learning boss movement/attack patterns, and memorizing the environment. Those are, IMO, core elements of an action game, and far more important to what these games are than the fact that you can put points into attributes or upgrade weapons.
beelzebozo
Jealous Bastard
i agree, this chrono cross ranking really puzzled me
I can't see a way Chronno Trigger is not a Top 5 title.
Not that whoever reviewed it even still works there but they gave it a 9.5 at the time
It absolutely won't be on the list though
eot
Banned
It's not most RPG
Stats "matter", but not that much. Level >>>>>>>>> Stats.
I beat it on Hard. The game gets easier and easier as the game goes on, but I have absolutely no idea who on my team was the best/worst of each stats, and I essentially never looked at the stats on my Persona.
It doesn't really matter, but skipping FFX while including Dragon Age Inquisition hurts my feelings. I really really dislike that game, I don't think I even posted here back then, my hate is all my own.
How the hell did
Leliana
What's the best way to play FF2 if you want to see what it had to offer when it came out? NES with a fan translation? Are you saying if I play FF2, it'll be about the same as playing FF4? That's hard to believe, since it's not nearly as revered in Japan as FF4, the remakes have terrible Metacritic scores, and no one talks about it being a must play RPG. Of course if it did the same stuff but wasn't nearly as good, that would back up my point that FF4 was a massive leap.
Why is that lol? It should be top 5.
I guess you allied with the mages
I gave up on VIII days ago, its not going to happen.
Magicpaint
Member
That would be one very right thing about this list. VIII has no business being in the Top 20 all time list of RPGs.
It seemed like the right thing to do, but if i'd known the final outcome, i'd have changed my mind quick. I should have checked a guide.
I agree, I hoped, even placing at 100 would have made me happy. As soon as I saw VII at 52, I knew there was no chance.
Don't worry. We'll celebrate it's rightful place in the top 20 soon enough.
Supermanisdead
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surely earthbound will make it right???????
I'm not saying FF4 is a bad game though (it's a great game) I'm saying that it didn't have as much of an impact as FF7, by a long shot.
FF7 was revolutionary, it did things other games as a whole (not just RPGs) hadn't tried before, and it was a great game to boot. FF4 was evolutionary. It took what many other games did (including FF2 and 3) and improved upon it.
There's just no contest as to which of the two games were more influential. In short, there's a reason FF7 is the most popular FF game.
neurosisxeno
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I feel like they are inconsistently weighing how fun/good the games are and their impact. Something like FF VII was massively impactful (it was also a lot of fun) compared to a lot of the games ahead of it, but it definitely had some flaws in the gameplay department.
I don't think we've had the top 20 yet
MrSaturn99
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Oh wow. I completely overlooked that. I feel really stupid.
Yes, I know, and I'm saying you're wrong.
There was no game remotely like FF4 before it came out as far as I'm aware. Just because some RPGs did some things first doesn't mean much if they didn't do them as close to as well. There were 3D platformers before Mario 64, but they weren't any good. That makes a big difference.
Yeah, that reason is because it was most people's first RPG and it showed commercials entirely of FMV.
ViolentP
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Disagreeing that FF7 was better than FF4 I get. Preference and all. But regardless of reason, I think it's pretty evident that FF7 probably had the biggest impact of the franchise with consumers.
Alright, so these are the games I could remember that could possibly make it into the top 20. Add your suggestions if I missed any:
(In no particular order) Highly likely on making it:
Earthbound
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy Tactics
Suikoden 2
Chrono Trigger
Pokemon R/B/Y
KOTOR
WoW
Planescape Torment
Secret of Mana
BG 2
Persona 4
Diablo 2
Fallout 2
Witcher 3
Dark Souls
Total of 16 highly likely games. Obviously it's possible some don't make it.
Now, here are some possible for the spots left:
Legend of Heroes: Trails ?
Borderlands
Valkyrie Profile
KH1
Symphony of the Night
TES: Oblivion
Deus Ex
Tactics Ogre
FF5
FF8
FF10
FF13
Vagrant Story
Mass Effect 2
Fallout 3
Paper Mario 1000 Year Door
Thoughts?
edit: ooops overlooked some
(In no particular order) Highly likely on making it:
Earthbound
Final Fantasy 6
Final Fantasy Tactics
Suikoden 2
Chrono Trigger
Pokemon R/B/Y
KOTOR
WoW
Planescape Torment
Secret of Mana
BG 2
Persona 4
Diablo 2
Fallout 2
Witcher 3
Dark Souls
Total of 16 highly likely games. Obviously it's possible some don't make it.
Now, here are some possible for the spots left:
Legend of Heroes: Trails ?
Borderlands
Valkyrie Profile
KH1
Symphony of the Night
TES: Oblivion
Deus Ex
Tactics Ogre
FF5
FF8
FF10
FF13
Vagrant Story
Mass Effect 2
Fallout 3
Paper Mario 1000 Year Door
Thoughts?
edit: ooops overlooked some
Vagrant Story hasn't been listed yet? Really hope it's on there. Hoping Suikoden II and Tactics rank really high too.
It's not really worth going with the 'which FF is most influenial' argument. The list represents what RPGs IGNs writers like the most and their recent FF list shows that they generally don't care for any of Kojima/Noruma's high-selling FF games like VII, VIII or X. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the staff who voted on this list felt VII shouldn't have been on there at all.
Don't blame you at all for feeling that way. I'm interested lists like this because I enjoy RPGs (especially Final Fantasy games) not because of the publishers. I really couldn't care less about IGN itself.
It's not really worth going with the 'which FF is most influenial' argument. The list represents what RPGs IGNs writers like the most and their recent FF list shows that they generally don't care for any of Kojima/Noruma's high-selling FF games like VII, VIII or X. I wouldn't be surprised if many of the staff who voted on this list felt VII shouldn't have been on there at all.
Don't blame you at all for feeling that way. I'm interested lists like this because I enjoy RPGs (especially Final Fantasy games) not because of the publishers. I really couldn't care less about IGN itself.
ikarinokami
Banned
I love System shock 2 but it's not an RPG, DEux Ex which is obviously gonna be top 10 has a better argument.
TheJollyCorner
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ASilentProtagonist
Member
Persona 3 ranked higher than P5?
Well done, IGN. Still the best Persona.
Well done, IGN. Still the best Persona.
ViolentP
Member
As long as we all agree that if Phantasy Star II isn't top 5, the list is garbage.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I liked Hunan Revolution a lot, but if it hasn't appeared by now it ain't happening.
I agree, but you just know Persona 4 is going to be in the top 10.
Hope so!
wondergorls
Member
FF8 and FFX are both good games but I don't see them cracking the top 20.
FF8 has a lot of charm and style but it has its fair share of problems.
FF8 has a lot of charm and style but it has its fair share of problems.
Why would Oblivion be on the list?
It got a 94 metacritic and a load of GotY Awards. I'm not a huge fan of it, but given the acclaim it initially received its absence would be interesting.
Do what i'm doing, wait for trophy support. I haven't started a new play through for 2 years because of this. Surely this year has to be it, same with IX.