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I'm a bit worried.....
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CharmingCharlie
Member
This site is nowhere near the hive mind echo chamber that other sites are. I can honestly never see Evilore ever accepting the banning of discussing a game because it might offend someone (unless said game had some seriously problematic issues that any sane human being would have issue with. I dunno something like "Nazi baby eater simulator 2" I could see that not being alowed a thread). The thing is no one wants to talk about this shit, I sure as hell don't want to talk about this shit. However right now the games industry is trapped in a loop of insanity which is it's undoing so we can't avoid talking about this shit. GAF is fine and a hell of a lot better than that festering other site where any "wrong think" is not allowed at all in case someone somewhere on the planet gets their panties in a twist,
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
yep. it takes two to tango. things had to get this bad for people to say enough is enough.
call it civil war or whatever, but this was a long time coming. we just have to see it through. i do think that eventually publishers will figure out that this is not the way to go and reign in some of their more idiotic developers.
mansoor1980
Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
And yet if you said how I edited this, over there, you'd be permed.
They are not the same and it's intellectually dishonest to say it is.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
dmaul1114
Member
Sadly is just is what it is these days. Everything is super tribalized, especially when it comes to online communities. Most every gaming forum, subReddit etc. leans heavily left or right with just variation on whether moderation allows the other side at all.
Society at large is super polarized, it’s just worse online as people self select into communities that fit their views. So even on places that don’t moderate opposing views out, people with them generally get dog piled and drowned out (if they don’t quickly leave to not bother wasting their time).
I’ve just accepted that game discussion online will never again just be about games and the only annoyances fanboy nonsense. For those not interested in all the culture war stuff it’s just a matter of whether they can tune out that noise enough to still engage on forums, Reddit etc. I’ve cut way back and taken long breaks and enjoy gaming more for it. Will probably cut back more again for a while as it’s all extra ramped up lately with the US election coming up etc.
Society at large is super polarized, it’s just worse online as people self select into communities that fit their views. So even on places that don’t moderate opposing views out, people with them generally get dog piled and drowned out (if they don’t quickly leave to not bother wasting their time).
I’ve just accepted that game discussion online will never again just be about games and the only annoyances fanboy nonsense. For those not interested in all the culture war stuff it’s just a matter of whether they can tune out that noise enough to still engage on forums, Reddit etc. I’ve cut way back and taken long breaks and enjoy gaming more for it. Will probably cut back more again for a while as it’s all extra ramped up lately with the US election coming up etc.
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TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
This topic is so dumb, I want gold.
StueyDuck
Member
^ Exhibit AExcept a chunk of that happens all the fucking time here these days. But hey, let’s pretend it doesn’t.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ideology of projection.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
ah "projection" Neogaf's funny way of saying "no u"
Fbh
Gold Member
It's not that bad as long as you ignore the obvious ragebait threads.
Though yes it's annoying how these ragebait threads are usually some of the more active ones and yes there is a small subset of users who are annoying and fall into the "literally reverse Resetera" mentality, but they are usually easy to ignore and I find it an acceptable side effect to having a forum where you don't have to be afraid to get banned just for speaking your mind.
It's not though.
The fact you can openly say you are looking forward to a game like Veilguard without having to fear being banned is proof of that. You might get pushback from the community but not from the mods, and that makes a big difference.
Though yes it's annoying how these ragebait threads are usually some of the more active ones and yes there is a small subset of users who are annoying and fall into the "literally reverse Resetera" mentality, but they are usually easy to ignore and I find it an acceptable side effect to having a forum where you don't have to be afraid to get banned just for speaking your mind.
It's not though.
The fact you can openly say you are looking forward to a game like Veilguard without having to fear being banned is proof of that. You might get pushback from the community but not from the mods, and that makes a big difference.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
I mean, it was a retarded comment an 8 year old would make, are you an 8 year old?
Is NeoGaf in the room with you right now?
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
1. You are worried Gaf is becoming an anti woke eco chamber
2. it's worth having conversation about the topic
if you are walking on the street and see shit on the ground, what would you do?
99% of the people will ignore the shit, in fact; 99% will actively avoid steeping on the shit.
but why? Well, because it’s shit, it’s waste... Yet, there is an ecosystem of bacteria, parasites, insects, and flies that rely on the waste to survive.
you need to realize something very fascinating around how people like to engage with controversial topics:
some will choose to engage with shit:
1. because that's the level in which they operate
2. using shit as your "opponent" is the easiest way to "win"... but that doesn't make you better but equally shit.
3. some people enjoy playing with shit.
Albert Einstein said:
"If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself"
your critical mistake was using resetera as a barometer of better moderation. which completely undermines your argument.
Now, you say that GAF is getting full of shit. i will tell you this as someone who doesn't give a shit about politics, but you could say im in the middle:
there is shit everywhere brother. but places like Twitter, ResetEra are far worse.
It’s up to you to engage above the shit, ignore the shit, or, if you are up to the challenge, engage with the six-year-old and enlighten them.
2. it's worth having conversation about the topic
... ok, from a place that is even more intolerant, where you get banned/censored by just writing the name of a game or content creator.
being in the "middle" its always the hardest place to be...
i will give you this analogy:
if you are walking on the street and see shit on the ground, what would you do?
99% of the people will ignore the shit, in fact; 99% will actively avoid steeping on the shit.
but why? Well, because it’s shit, it’s waste... Yet, there is an ecosystem of bacteria, parasites, insects, and flies that rely on the waste to survive.
you need to realize something very fascinating around how people like to engage with controversial topics:
some will choose to engage with shit:
1. because that's the level in which they operate
2. using shit as your "opponent" is the easiest way to "win"... but that doesn't make you better but equally shit.
3. some people enjoy playing with shit.
Albert Einstein said:
"If you can't explain it to a six-year-old, you don't understand it yourself"
your critical mistake was using resetera as a barometer of better moderation. which completely undermines your argument.
Now, you say that GAF is getting full of shit. i will tell you this as someone who doesn't give a shit about politics, but you could say im in the middle:
there is shit everywhere brother. but places like Twitter, ResetEra are far worse.
It’s up to you to engage above the shit, ignore the shit, or, if you are up to the challenge, engage with the six-year-old and enlighten them.
PeteBull
Member
Any1 remembers this movie opening maybe?
Timeless classic, yet it would never happen in todays western world of "toxic positivity", just watch that first 3 minutes and u will know why:
Im showing u direct examples of masterpieces that will be remembered centuries after being made which would never have a chance of being made under current premise of promoting woke propaganda and fighting off everything that isnt one.
It got so bad that even world renoved razor maker every man knows "gillette" had to bend the knee and present men- their primary target customers as toxic in their ad
Ofc they lost tons of customers, and rightfully so
To give u guys an idea how insane this ad pov was, lets do women's analogy, imagine the schwarzkopf or head and shoulders new shampoo commercial critiques women sleeping around, being masculine af, independend boss babes who need no man.
And funny thing is, that hoe behaviour is super destructive for whole western society including all women themselfs, yet no1 would dare to actually call it out in shampoo commercial directed at women's customer base for obvious reasons:
1) It would reduce sales of the product by big margin, and
2) Company would be crucified for being antifeminist
Thats how much woke ideology and pandering to degenerates infected western society nowadays.
Timeless classic, yet it would never happen in todays western world of "toxic positivity", just watch that first 3 minutes and u will know why:
Im showing u direct examples of masterpieces that will be remembered centuries after being made which would never have a chance of being made under current premise of promoting woke propaganda and fighting off everything that isnt one.
It got so bad that even world renoved razor maker every man knows "gillette" had to bend the knee and present men- their primary target customers as toxic in their ad
Ofc they lost tons of customers, and rightfully so
To give u guys an idea how insane this ad pov was, lets do women's analogy, imagine the schwarzkopf or head and shoulders new shampoo commercial critiques women sleeping around, being masculine af, independend boss babes who need no man.
And funny thing is, that hoe behaviour is super destructive for whole western society including all women themselfs, yet no1 would dare to actually call it out in shampoo commercial directed at women's customer base for obvious reasons:
1) It would reduce sales of the product by big margin, and
2) Company would be crucified for being antifeminist
Thats how much woke ideology and pandering to degenerates infected western society nowadays.
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Topher
Identifies as young
I mean.....just bypass the "bigots" and "micropenis" takes, but go after "projection"?
Come on man
StueyDuck
Member
Can you imagine an adult saying this.
Kacho
Gold Member
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Some gotta put more effort in those sick burns.
HogIsland
Member
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
I already commented on this in my previous post but again NeoGAF is not the only place on the internet with a moderation style close to that. People act like the rest of the internet is all reddit or Resetera when theres tonns of forums and private spaces where you can "say what you like". Steam Forums is like that too (although it's a complete cesspit)
someone just mentioned /v/ a couple posts ago too
no, it is the room. we are speaking inside the neogaf
People overuse that word a lot and it's just sounding like the pseudointellectual way of saying "no u", calling something "projection". Been getting on my nerves for some time now
just use uno reverse card its the funnier way of saying that anyways
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SkeletonQuays
Member
The difference is that here you can voice that opinion openly. This is the bedrock of an open forum (and to a larger extent a free society). I think the strong push back from the woke stranglehold on video games is necessary for a time to prevent the cancer from spreading further. Once devs realize that it's killing their properties before they even launch everything will quiet down again. I do think the heavy pushback is a direct result of being complacent for too long. The pendulum is now swinging the other way... i think this is a normal cyclical thing.
StueyDuck
Member
Ay if your penis size bothers you that much I'm sure there's some doctors out there willing to help.oh wow oh gee
Gotta learn to laugh at yourself bud, or else you'll end up a permanent meme
StueyDuck
Member
The man has made two small penis jokes In short succession to different people.I already commented on this in my previous post but again NeoGAF is not the only place on the internet with a moderation style close to that. People act like the rest of the internet is all reddit or Resetera when theres tonns of forums and private spaces where you can "say what you like". Steam Forums is like that too (although it's a complete cesspit)
someone just mentioned /v/ a couple posts ago too
no, it is the room. we are speaking inside the neogaf
People overuse that word a lot and it's just sounding like the pseudointellectual way of saying "no u", calling something "projection". Been getting on my nerves for some time now
just use uno reverse card its the funnier way of saying that anyways
If that's not projection I don't know what is.
Dr.Morris79
Gold Member
Can we lay off the micro penis abuse here guys
It's not hard or big.
It's not hard or big.
Putonahappyface
Gold Member
I genuinely love this community and wouldn't want to change it or be anywhere else. This place has wealth of different perspectives that can and will conflict with one another, but that comes with the territory of having a diverse forum!
You can only have one or the other. Either you have an echo chamber or the inevitable friction between opposing arguments at times.
I know there are many LGBTQIA+ that frequent/lurk here and I don't want them or anyone for that matter to feel that they can't partake! Everyone is welcome here, just be civil towards one another!
You can only have one or the other. Either you have an echo chamber or the inevitable friction between opposing arguments at times.
I know there are many LGBTQIA+ that frequent/lurk here and I don't want them or anyone for that matter to feel that they can't partake! Everyone is welcome here, just be civil towards one another!
HogIsland
Member
Take it easy, I'm just gherkin your chain.
Topher
Identifies as young
Perhaps, but sometimes it is blatantly obvious.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
we'd gherk your "chain" too if you had much of one
Topher
Identifies as young
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
But you speak as though it's a monolith outside of your own personal bubble. You are every part of this "neogaf."no, it is the room. we are speaking inside the neogaf
dmaul1114
Member
RE: Dragon Age Veilguard: I'm not sure if there's gonna be a single topic that folks who are playing the game can discuss it in without every other post being a derail. I just want a topic to just talk about the game.
Agreed. I knew it was a lost cause in general, but was still disappointed to see the OT having a culture wars inviting title. Not offended by it or anything, because who cares. Just doesn’t bode well for the thread being very active or focused on the game.
But it’s not like there will be anywhere else decent to discuss it. Super active game OTs on forums outside of Era (which isn’t worth putting up with the other BS) are mostly a thing of the past as so many people moved onto Reddit, Discord etc. (and younger generations never bothered with forums).
ULTROS!
People seem to like me because I am polite and I am rarely late. I like to eat ice cream and I really enjoy a nice pair of slacks.
TBH this wokism thing is american ideology that's basically pushing for DEI and people are pushing this ideology to even non-Americans.
Dunno but it just sounds a bit hypocritical? Forcing an American ideology to non-Americans.
Dunno but it just sounds a bit hypocritical? Forcing an American ideology to non-Americans.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
Like i said
just messing around
way funnier. an added "nuh uh" would help too
micropenis jokes are so blatantly unserious tbh so i don't really see the need to get that angry over them. Same vibes as someone cracking a "your mom" joke in 2024
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
Member
Perfectly put. Also it's very easy to ignore the culture war stuff if you prefer, since mods & admin aren't pushing it in every thread like a certain other forum.
Or, you can be the person who themselves steers conversation away from that on a topic, with your own posts. At least potentially.
Topher
Identifies as young
Nah.....America is just where the term "woke" originated, but it morphed into something much bigger than what it was. DEI is not unique to America at all.
PeteBull
Member
Indeed, those leftist leaning(to not say full on clownworld participants) have some weird belief that a man has to be either virigin or have small(not avg, but small
) penis if they dont give into woke ideology, it doesnt work that way, bros
Only country we can consider progressive out of top10 is netherlands (but im pretty sure right wing won most recent elections there ;p) , rest are definitely ones who have very strong traditional values views which would be considered "misogonist rightwing extremist" by era and alike
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
doesn't mean that i am the same as all of the users or that I agree with every one of them. The use of this word is common amongst many users on this site specifically, so I felt the need to call it out using the name of the site.
Besides I wouldn't have been able to make an observation like so if I didn't talk here so it's expected that i'm a "part" of this site....
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
not exactly the best time to be using P Diddy gifs
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So that's why the bananas from Ecuador seem much bigger on store shelves.Indeed, those leftist leaning(to not say full on clownworld participants) have some weird belief that a man has to be either virigin or have small(not avg, but small
Only country we can consider progressive out of top10 is netherlands (but im pretty sure right wing won most recent elections there ;p) , rest are definitely ones who have very strong traditional values views which would be considered "misogonist rightwing extremist" by era and alike
Ok.
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Putonahappyface
Gold Member
Laptop1991
Member
I made 2 accounts at the same time 6 years ago, after the shutdown of the Bethesda forums and other gaming ones, here on GAF and another "one", i have never posted on the other 1 lol, yeah you can get into arguments here, but you have a lot more freedom to express your opinion's and viewpoint's, unlike other forums. i don't see the OP's points personally.
Chuck Berry
Gold Member
TheInfamousKira
Reseterror Resettler
Imagine all the micro penis
Yoko Ono: AaaahhhhAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAaaahhhaaahhhh
Yoko Ono: AaaahhhhAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAaaahhhaaahhhh
And? Those folks who agreed you could be wrong, I'm not saying your are wrong but you can only speak for yourself.
Again, I asked for YOUR definition of "woke" at the other highlighted stuff in my first reply.