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[SinCityAssassin]

So where the fuck did 40% of our money go? Sorry they can't handle mean (and well deserved) comments.

Kickstarter fees, reward costs, and a few other facotrs I would assume.

 

[SlipperyFishes]

things revealed on their stream:
- only 60% of the money went to game development
- instead of building base game and then porting to different platforms like any developer would do, they were done simultaneously. They completely underestimated the workload required thus delays.
- it was Ben Judd who said "it's better than nothing" actually.
- Inafune completely dodged the question about Red Ash
- neogaf comments were mean

Wasn't Ben translating?

 

[superNESjoe]

I bet people would have loved me if I said that in the face of criticism over GunWorld.

Geez dude. He's free to say and feel that, but it sure shows his colors. He made this game with fans money, and it fell very short. I don't think that's how they want to be responded to.

(Apparently the translator actually said that? In what context?)

 

[jacobeid]

This dude. The faster he leaves this industry the better.

Agreed. I'm sure all of his Japanese friends he spent the interview rounds talking shit about aren't going to welcome him back with open arms and the community isn't going to kickstart anything with his name on it.

 

[khaaan]

Wasn't Ben translating?

I dunno, here's a video of it.

 

[Death Metalist]

I bet people would have loved me if I said that in the face of criticism over GunWorld.

Geez dude. He's free to say and feel that, but it sure shows his colors. He made this game with fans money, and it fell very short. I don't think that's how they want to be responded to.

(Apparently the translator actually said that? In what context?)

1:09:00

I hope everyone watches it in context. The livestream is primed for cherry picking up the ass.

 

[Unreal Champ]

I got an amazing side scrolling fix with the Strider remake, which is a great example of the right way to do it.

Really? I thought the Strider remake very mediocre.

He had 4 millions, even Bloodstained from IGA look more promising and done with love and it had less money (1M ?).

It's not that hard to go do research and realise how very wrong you are.

Over 5 million in KS and another 4.5 million from the publisher. So yeah that's more than twice what Inafune got.

 

[Foffy]

The icing on the cake in this steam was when they played the game and it crashed on the damn stream. That's hilarious and shows how terrible the game is

Someone needs to gif this.

Please.

 

[Narroo]

No they had to pay taxes and processing fees and for the physical rewards. All of that costs money.

That is true. KS takes a % off the top, then they had to still pay for backer rewards(which probably wasn't that much if they were sane.), then they had to pay licensing fees for all the platforms the game was on (isn't it stupidly expensive to publish on most consoles unless it's indie, in which case it's still expensive?) Actually, doesn't Unreal require a license for each platform, or am I wrong?

That said, a good chunk of those issues could have been avoided by better decision making. On the other hand, some people seem to think that their money got embezzled or that Inafune was consciously trying to scam people which is ridiculous.

 

[Zombie James]

What a mess. They can't even get the PR right.

 

[Walpurgis]

It's better than being Randy Pitchford.

FTFY

 

[Lightning_Roller]

Agreed. I'm sure all of his Japanese friends he spent the interview rounds talking shit about aren't going to welcome him back with open arms and the community isn't going to kickstart anything with his name on it.

So what you're saying is that Inafune will have nowhere to go in the gaming community and there could be a possible chance he might fade into obscurity? He better hope Recore does well, but I think people won't trust that game because of his mistakes here with Mighty No. Nein.

 

[Sanjuro]

Burger King and a 40oz in a paper bag.

No eye contact.

I gotta go to the bathroom.

 

[Slaythe]

Yup. Hope he doesn't get a shot at a sequel.

....or anything else to be quite frank. Dude is a straight hack and his response here just angers me.



So where the fuck did 40% of our money go? Sorry they can't handle mean (and well deserved) comments.

Physical rewards

Kickstarter tax

Campaign marketing

 

[brawly]

Yup. Hope he doesn't get a shot at a sequel.

....or anything else to be quite frank. Dude is a straight hack and his response here just angers me.



So where the fuck did 40% of our money go? Sorry they can't handle mean (and well deserved) comments.

Translator said "better than nothing", not Inafune.

 

[MikeE21286]

If I were in the business of making video games, and I read that quote, I would never hire that man to make a video game for me ever. Just based upon that.

Actually, I don't know if I would even hire him to do anything for me. Period.

 

[jacobeid]

So what you're saying is that Inafune will have nowhere to go in the gaming community and there could be a possible chance he might fade into obscurity? He better hope Recore does well, but I think people won't trust that game because of his mistakes here with Mighty No. Nein.

After leaving Capcom he went on a pretty aggressive interview tour in which he threw major shade on the Japanese development community, his colleagues in the industry. Combined with this mess I don't think it's difficult to see that Inafune's name doesn't mean much anymore. He may fade into obscurity, he may not. Only time will tell.

Physical rewards

Kickstarter tax

Campaign marketing

Fair.

 

[ScherzoPrime]

That was just Ben Judd's opinion(producer). Going on something along the lines with not enough 2D side scrolling games on the market and all.

That may have been true ten or even five years ago, but that certainly isn't the case today. You can't just release a 2.5D game and pat yourself on the back for being 'bold'.

 

[Armaly]

I guess i'd be better off purchasing 20XX?

 

[Verelios]

I feel so bad for backing this shit show, but you live and learn.

 

[kevm3]

I don't really see what everyone is complaining about. The game's graphics aren't particularly great. Other than that, what's the issue? The game looks like decent fun.

 

[PsionBolt]

Wasn't Ben translating?

(Apparently the translator actually said that? In what context?)

To quote myself from earlier in the thread:

Inafune said "Other than the Ray DLC, nothing is currently planned. If circumstances allow, it's possible we could make more." Everything else in the exchange was all on the part of the other guy.

Essentially, interviewer asks about expansions, Inafune says "no plans", Judd (the interpreter) adds PR spin that goes off the rails in a bad way.

Spoiler

I feel awkward posting about this game in a semi-positive (or at least non-negative) way. Call it morbid curiosity, sunk cost fallacy, whatever -- I cant wait for Gunvolt 2 to come out so I can push MN9 out of my head.

If I were in the business of making video games, and I read that quote, I would never hire that man to make a video game for me ever. Just based upon that.

Actually, I don't know if I would even hire him to do anything for me. Period.

If I were Inafune, seeing all this bad press would make me pretty upset with Judd. Inafune's pride and reputation have taken enough hits lately without outside help.

 

[Krammy]

I just saw Inafune handle the Red Ash question (01:11:18) and man does he look uncomfortable. He also gives an amazing non-answer that makes me believe it's not actually happening and the announcement of having a publisher was just done to save face.

 

[Heavy's Sandvich]

Capcom were right?

 

[Despera]

Damn... talk about shitting on your supporters.

 

[Sarcastico]

This is incredible. A developer produces utter dross and acts like it's a gift to the gaming industry.

The backers must be furious.

 

[borborygmus]

That said, a good chunk of those issues could have been avoided by better decision making. On the other hand, some people seem to think that their money got embezzled or that Inafune was consciously trying to scam people which is ridiculous.

Pretty much this. I don't see the need to trash the guy or hope he never works in the industry again. It's clear why he's being defensive about it.

 

[Walpurgis]

So what you're saying is that Inafune will have nowhere to go in the gaming community and there could be a possible chance he might fade into obscurity? He better hope Recore does well, but I think people won't trust that game because of his mistakes here with Mighty No. Nein.

Don't worry about ReCore. It looks horrible and knowing Inafune, the actual game will be even worse. After that, we'll all forget about him.

 

[SinCityAssassin]

Alright so the REAL SITUATION is that Inafune confirms no plans for big DLC, and the translator quips that the base game is better than nothing.

 

[GinoFelino]

This is incredible. A developer produces utter dross and acts like it's a gift to the gaming industry.

The backers must be furious.

It's a 60 Metacritic, and the designer admits to it not being a masterpiece. You know, like, a 60 Metacritic.

What narrative are we trying to push here?

 

[Unreal Champ]

Not getting your side-scrolling fill, Inafune? Really? I could name you five games that fit that criteria on my hand! Five!

Shovel Knight
Axiom Verge
Gunman Clive
La-Mulana 2
Apotheon

But anyways, the more I learn about this, the more I get even more upset about this whole MN9 snafu. I would say good luck to you, Inafune, but considering how reviews and word of mouth are right now, I don't think it would help much.

Maybe he doesn't like any of those games? Other than Shovel Knight, the rest weren't so good imo.

 

[Foffy]

I just saw Inafune handle the Red Ash question (01:11:18) and man does he look uncomfortable. He also gives an amazing non-answer that makes me believe it's not actually happening and the announcement of having a publisher was just done to save face.

He kind of looked ashamed and embarrassed to be asked about it. Wows.

Inti is going to have a very demoralizing week..

 

[Lightning_Roller]

I just saw Inafune handle the Red Ash question (01:11:18) and man does he look uncomfortable. He also gives an amazing non-answer that makes me believe it's not actually happening and the announcement of having a publisher was just done to save face.

Oh gosh, that would make Inafune look even worse than he does now.

Capcom were right?

The only way the irony could get any more sweeter would be for Capcom to announce a new mega man game, made by the same development team and does better than MN9.

 

[Snaku]

This fucking guy.

 

[Outrun]

Lowered Expectations....

Wow, the contempt that he exhibits...

I love how he tries to sell us on a future game that will scratch our side scrolling itch.

 

[Strootman]

Recore|OT| Better than nothing.

 

[GetDigitized]

So much salt.

 

[JPS Kai]

At least there wasn't pre-order DLC at GameSt.... Oh.

 

[Galang]

This just gets sadder

 

[Sarcastico]

It's a 60 Metacritic, and the designer admits to it not being a masterpiece. You know, like, a 60 Metacritic.

What narrative are we trying to push here?

He took millions, created a sub-par product and is being smug about it. If you want to praise him for that then have at it.

 

[Wereroku]

He took millions, created a sub-par product and is being smug about it. If you want to praise him for that then have at it.

It's not even his comments it's Bens. The thread really needs to be updated.

 

[efyu_lemonardo]

From 00:37:40 in the interview, Ben Judd translating a response from the president of Inti Creates, Takuya Aizu.

From what I've read from other posts, it sounds like not enough money was budgeted towards the game itself, and they were overwhelmed with the additional console stretch goals, so no surprise there for most of us. It also really hammers home the point that's been made on some recent Kickstarters, where the number of consoles should be limited, and releases like PS3/360/WiiU/Vita should be abandoned.

One thing this KS had against it was timing, because 2013 was basically the year one console generation ended and another began. This made it problematic to narrow down which platforms to support. Had the KS been launched, say, in 2015 (possibly even in 2014), there would have been much less of an expectation to support PS3 and 360, and possibly Wii U as well.

Having said that, I still imagine the biggest bottleneck was supporting handhelds and this is something that they shouldn't have taken on in hindsight.

 

[Boney]

The headline makes the statement come out completely out of context. "It's not perfect" is the Segway that makes it so it's more like "we tried out hardest" other than "suck it up biatches"

 

[spannicus]

Burger King and a 40oz in a paper bag.

No eye contact.

I gotta go to the bathroom.

Lol brutal lol

 

[Kyoufu]

They sent me incorrect region codes for the DLC packs and a PC download link despite opting for the PS4 version.

This is not better than nothing.

 

[nynt9]

So an average of 60% is a "damning critical reception". It sure isn't what you want for a game but damning?

Video game scores are not uniformly distributed.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

They sent me incorrect region codes for the DLC packs and a PC download link despite opting for the PS4 version.

This is not better than nothing.

Christ.

 

[Lightning_Roller]

They sent me incorrect region codes for the DLC packs and a PC download link despite opting for the PS4 version.

This is not better than nothing.

Wait, what?! Are you serious? That's terrible, as well as totally mismanaged. I hope you get things worked out.

 

[Kurumi]

I'm dying. Lmao.

 

[GinoFelino]

He took millions, created a sub-par product and is being smug about it. If you want to praise him for that then have at it.

Who says anything about praising? He's no saint, that's for sure.

But there's no need to create a false narrative here.

It's a 60 Metacritic game of which he admits it's not perfect, but he's glad to have made it anyway.