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[leroy hacker]

Wat? India has attacked Pakistan on many, MANY occasions as well...

Like the liberation of Bangladesh? How many examples can you give of unprovoked attacks by India on Pakistan?

 

[Raxel]

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[gutter_trash]

I wouldn't expect anything from India... they use the cast system

 

[theignoramus]

Well you dont have to send aid in the form of money.
From what I've read, when India sent 25 tonnes of food to Pakistan in 2005, Pakistani officials distributed it, but before they did so, they ripped off any labels that indicated the aid was from India.
India is apparently bitter about this.

 

[AnkitT]

I wouldn't expect anything from India... they use the cast system

Totally related to each other. Also would have accepted "They took our jobs!" :lol

Anyways, its really shitty of us to not provide some form of help for them, but I dont really know what the extent of the damage in Leh(India) has been so far. But in any case, help should be provided.

 

[Azih]

C'mon.

Really dude, what evidence or proof does anyone have tha Bin Laden is *anywhere* or even alive let alone taking it as a complete unquestionable fact that he is in Pakistan.

I didn't say unstable, I said a quagmire. It's a quagmire because Taliban leaders and their fighters are given shelter in Pakistani territory.

See, here is the exact problem. You're saying that Taliban leaders are 'given' shelter like a representative of the Pakistani army or the secret service makes sure they get across border control points and ushers them to a safe house or some such shit. They're not 'given' anything, they're just taking advantage of a lawless region that nobody can control to cross back and forth with impunity.

In fact, probably the main reason for a lack of aid is the same thing that vexes Pakistan in so many areas: their leadership structure is fragmented, decentralized, ineffectual, and crooked too boot.

Most places that require aid have corrupt and/or weak central government. That's why they can't take care of the problem themselves and Pakistan is not an exception. The crazy level of demonisation and scapegoating that has been applied to Pakistan (Bin Laden is for sure there via support of the Pakistani government after all!) is just something else though.


I'm telling you one thing about this situation. If the Pakistani goverment and the international community fail to provide help for these people, the Taliban will be *more* than happy to step in and become even more entrenched in those areas than they are now.

 

[whatsinaname]

Wat? India has attacked Pakistan on many, MANY occasions as well...

Examples?

(I am Indian and I agree that half the things that Pakistan is blamed for in the press in India are made up. But I can think of no instance of India attacking Pakistan?)

 

[xbhaskarx]

But I can think of no instance of India attacking Pakistan?)

Bangladesh Liberation War

But of course Pakistan attacked Bangladesh first and killed countless civilians, and then attacked India on the western border, so I don't think anyone could reasonably argue that Pakistan didn't deserve their beatdown considering the Bangladeshi party won the election in an landslide and the Pakistanis refused to allow a Bangladeshi to become Prime Minister.

The war broke out on 26 March 1971 as army units directed by West Pakistan launched a military operation in East Pakistan against Bengali civilians, students, intelligentsia, and armed personnel who were demanding separation of the East from West Pakistan. Bengali military, paramilitary, and civilians formed the Mukti Bahini and used guerrilla warfare tactics to fight against the West Pakistan army. India provided economic, military and diplomatic support to the Mukti Bahini rebels, leading Pakistan to launch Operation Chengiz Khan, a pre-emptive attack on the western border of India which started the Indo-Pakistani War of 1971.

On 16 December 1971, the allied forces of the Indian army and the Mukti Bahini defeated the West Pakistani forces deployed in the East. The resulting surrender was the largest in number of prisoners of war since World War II.

 

[Azih]

Bangladesh Liberation War

But of course Pakistan attacked Bangladesh first and killed countless civilians, and then attacked India on the western border, so I don't think anyone could reasonably argue that Pakistan didn't deserve their beatdown considering the Bangladeshi party won the election in an landslide and the Pakistanis refused to allow a Bangladeshi to become Prime Minister.

Of course West Pakistan treated East Pakistan like dirt (thanks Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto you asshole) and it is for completely good reasons that East Pakistan didn't want to have anything to do with West Pakistan anymore. But there was no Bangladesh at that point and India did very definitely intervene in an internal matter.

 

[Zapages]

But I can think of no instance of India attacking Pakistan?

Ok, here we go again. Then you'll guys will accuse me on blaming everything on India. *rolls eyes* :lol Here's something recent...

The report identifies the Indian intelligence service, the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), as the force behind the plot – an accusation regularly traded between India and Pakistan – but specifically identified the drive between their hotel and the stadium as the scene of the attack.

Pakistani newspapers quoted the report, dated January 22nd 2009, warning:"It has reliably been learnt that RAW (Indian intelligence agency) has assigned its agents the task to target Sri Lankan cricket team during its current visit to Lahore, especially while travelling between the hotel and stadium or at hotel during their stay.

"It is evident that RAW intends to show Pakistan a security risk state for sports events, particularly when the European and the Indian teams have already postponed their proposed visits considering it a high security risk to visit Pakistan .Extreme vigilance and heightened security arrangements indicated." A further letter from Punjab's then chief minister Shahbaz Sharif's office to Lahore's Inspector-General of Police and security ministers, requested extra security protection for the tourists. "The chief minister has seen the enclosed source report and has desired that every effort may be made for the security of the Sri Lankan cricket team during its current visit to Lahore. He has further desired that extreme vigilance and heightened security arrangement may be made to avert any untoward incident," his officials wrote.

Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...gnored-warnings-about-attack-on-team-bus.html

Quetta, Jan 2: Pakistan Security officials claims of arresting an alleged agent of Research and Analysis Wing (RAW)from Qila Saifullah district in Balochistan.

Buzz up!
The alleged RAw agent identified as Abdul Salam was arrested during a raid on a refugee camp based on an intelligence tip-off.


"We believe he works for RAW. He entered Pakistan via Afghanistan and hid himself in a refugee camp," an official was quoted in a media report.

Officials informed that Salaam who is an Afghan national was held with important documents and maps.

OneIndia News

Source: http://news.oneindia.in/2010/01/02/pak-claims-arrest-of-raw-agent-balochistan.html

A self-proclaimed “Baloch leader” who often back terrorist actions by armed militants against Pakistan security force has sought the help and support of the United States against Pakistan and Iran.

To the surprise of many Pakistanis the so-called president of Baloch Society of North America (BSO-NA), Dr. Wahid Baloch reportedly met American Vice President Joe Biden last week and has once again invited NATO troops in Baluchistan.

Dr. Wahid Baloch who regularly receives financial and logistic support form Indian intelligence was reported to have told the U.S. dignitary: “We, the Baloch people of Balochistan are secular and natural ally of U.S in the war on terror.”

During his reported meeting with US Vice President he is said to have urged the Obama administration “not to support Pakistan…. but extend a helping hand to the Baloch people in Balochistan who are their true natural ally against Islamic Extremism and terrorism and who are suffering in the hands of these two “Islamic terrorist states”, Pakistan and Iran”.Old records show Dr. Wahid’s practical role to promote “separatist sentiments and support for militants linked with Baloch Liberation Army (BLA) and Baloch Liberation Front (BLF)”.

Observers here confirmed that Dr, Wahid Baloch openly supported terrorist acts against Pakistani security forces as well as civilians in Balochistan and his reported meeting with US Vice President came as a “nasty surprise” for Pakistan which is an ally to the United States in war against terrorists.

One source which monitors the situation in Balochistan warned that the meeting was tantamount to encouragement to the supporters of militant acts if not the terrorists.Officials say that Dr. Wahid’s reported meeting with such a high-ranking U.S. dignitary may also be considered as a breach of the commitment against terrorists and pro-terrorist people. The sources say that an encouragement to militants in Balochistan may also adversely affect the Government of Pakistan’s recently announced Balochistan Package and efforts of General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kiyani to end sense of deprivations by Baloch people.Dr. Wahid’s links with Indian intelligence officials are no secret to even American officials and his meeting with U.S. Vice President has not only alarmed Pakistani but also Iranian diplomats in Washington.

Source: http://www.daily.pk/raw-backed-‘baloch-leader’-meets-us-vp-19083/

 

[Azih]

Both the ISI from Pakistan and RAW from India have done horrible shit to the other country. They find any secessionist movement in the other's territory and start providing funding and support.

 

[Deku]

Both the ISI from Pakistan and RAW from India have done horrible shit to the other country. They find any secessionist movement in the other's territory and start providing funding and support.

a pox on all your houses!

as I pointed out, India's democracy and institutions are far more stable, whicn fundamentally makes their spy services and instituions more trustworthy as they can be brought under control. The ISI is a rogue agency pursuing its own interest at this point.

 

[Azih]

as I pointed out, India's democracy and institutions are far more stable, whicn fundamentally makes their spy services and instituions more trustworthy as they can be brought under control.

That's not a valid assessment. The CIA has done horrible shit for decades and US citizens don't care enough to ask questions and implement controls. Same with RAW as it relates to undermining Pakistan. Just because a service can be brought under control doesn't mean anything if it knows it won't be.

Plus this is all just painting a more realistic view of the Pakistani-Indian relationship then the standard narrative that's taken hold of virtuous democratic India being endlessly attacked by nefarious Bin Laden hiding Pakistan.

 

[ElectricBlue187]

Pakistan isn't very popular these days in the US

 

[Deku]

That's not a valid assessment. The CIA has done horrible shit for decades and US citizens don't care enough to ask questions and implement controls. Same with RAW as it relates to undermining Pakistan. Just because a service can be brought under control doesn't mean anything if it knows it won't be.

Plus this is all just painting a more realistic view of the Pakistani-Indian relationship then the standard narrative that's taken hold of virtuous democratic India being endlessly attacked by nefarious Bin Laden hiding Pakistan.

It's fairly valid. The CIA remains a civilian run orgnaization.

and you're right to point out a lot of tit-for-tat going on here, which isn't what I think most serious criticism on Pakistan is.

The real problem with Pakistan is the weak government, which was until recently led by a strongman. The civilian leadership seems completely helpless to reign in the ISI, not to mention the military.

I have very little confidence in 'the country'. India is lightyears ahead on this issue. There's a certain amount of trust here where when the civilian leadership feels the need to fire a general or an intelligence chief, that they're not going to end up assasinated by those people.

 

[crazy monkey]

Pakistan isn't very popular these days in the US

why so?

 

[theignoramus]

why so?

Times Square bomber was Pakistani, plus the allegations about the ISI aiding the Taliban.
But then, the USA isnt so popular in Pakistan right now...in fact the US is despised by huge sectors of the population, most of whom are aware of the fact that the fighting in Afghanistan and US drone attacks have precipitated a spike in domestic terrorism and instability.
The 1000 US marines in Pakistan helping out with the flood situation is no doubt part of a strategy to win much needed "hearts and minds"

 

[Zapages]

It's fairly valid. The CIA remains a civilian run orgnaization.

and you're right to point out a lot of tit-for-tat going on here, which isn't what I think most serious criticism on Pakistan is.

The real problem with Pakistan is the weak government, which was until recently led by a strongman. The civilian leadership seems completely helpless to reign in the ISI, not to mention the military.

I have very little confidence in 'the country'. India is lightyears ahead on this issue. There's a certain amount of trust here where when the civilian leadership feels the need to fire a general or an intelligence chief, that they're not going to end up assasinated by those people.

This made me laugh... :lol :lol :lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Gandhi_assassination
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajiv_Gandhi_assassination

India's government is mostly run my the Brahmin and autocracy there since the days of British India... While in Pakistan the feudal lords run country... The ones in power controlling both countries right now...

The problem in Pakistan is that ones in power are lap dogs of the West and disable Pakistan from creating an independent policy that only benefits her... Instead Pakistan's policy is always freakin what America wants or Anti-India just so some people ie. the military or the elite bureaucrats can benefit while the civilian and normal population suffers.

 

[Azih]

and you're right to point out a lot of tit-for-tat going on here, which isn't what I think most serious criticism on Pakistan is.

Sure. I was just responding to the sentiment that India has never attacked Pakistan.

The real problem with Pakistan is the weak government

Agreed.

 

[Azih]

This made me laugh... :lol :lol :lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Gandhi_assassination
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajiv_Gandhi_assassination

This is idiotic. Neither of these were assassinated by the Indian military or intelligence services which was Deku's point.

 

[Weenerz]

Aren't these countries warring with each other? Why would they offer their enemy aid? Is this like Microsoft helping Apple survive in the late nineties all over again?

 

[Zapages]

This is idiotic. Neither of these were assassinated by the Indian military or intelligence services which was Deku's point.

Sure it was. >_> The only case in Pakistan when prime minister that was killed by the military was Ziliqar Bhutto, but he was put on a trial and for breaking up the country in the first place. So he kind of deserved it IMHO. :| The other times it was other people who other agendas aka Liaquat Ali Khan...

The reason for the weak government in Pakistan is :

1) Feudal lords
2) Corrupt Politicians
3) Too many Coups - Whenever anything that goes against the military's opinion they do a coup

 

[Diatribe1974]

Abit shitty on India's part (parents born from India) but yea op is kinda misleading. Been reading tabloids too much?

Considering the hostility between India & Pakistan, is it such a hard thing to understand that they'd not be so giving beyond what they've done in the past to help when disasters have hit?

 

[pakkit]

The real problem with Pakistan is the weak government, which was until recently led by a strongman.

Nah, Pakistan has had puppet leaders for decades.

It's really time for some governmental reform, and I mean grassroots, not any shitty "American Brand democracy" that will be doomed to fail in that area.

 

[Zapages]

Nah, Pakistan has had puppet leaders for decades.

It's really time for some governmental reform, and I mean grassroots, not any shitty "American Brand democracy" that will be doomed to fail in that area.

Thank you! Seriously that is the correct answer to the whole freakin problem...

 

[Ignis Fatuus]

Funny considering the % of muslims in India is less than 1% of the population...

Also, Pakistan and India are pratcally in a cold war right now, over Kashmir...

When you don't know shit, you should stfu.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOW. :lol

 

[Dyno]

Nah, Pakistan has had puppet leaders for decades.

It's really time for some governmental reform, and I mean grassroots, not any shitty "American Brand democracy" that will be doomed to fail in that area.

Unfortunately Pakistan's literacy rate and public education system makes a grassroots type reform unlikely. In fact it's so poor for the lower classes that Saudi-funded madrassas have been educating certain segments of the population for decades. This is happening not just in Pakistan but poor Muslim countries all over the Middle East.

This is how the Wahabi sect has been influencing Islamic study throughout the region. Now that I think about it there actually has been a grassroots movement, only its been fundamentalist religion instead of anything like democracy.



I read that the U.S. will kick in around 70 million and a thousand troops about the U.S.S. Pelleliu (sp?) to help with rescues.

 

[pakkit]

Unfortunately Pakistan's literacy rate and public education system makes a grassroots type reform unlikely. In fact it's so poor for the lower classes that Saudi-funded madrassas have been educating certain segments of the population for decades. This is happening not just in Pakistan but poor Muslim countries all over the Middle East.

At this point however, it's not just the lower class that are getting stepped on. Those with money to throw around and children enrolled in college are starting to get antsy too, and the violence in the major cities has been steadily increasing the past couple of years. There's gotta be a breaking point.

 

[Manos: The Hans of Fate]

I read that the U.S. will kick in around 70 million and a thousand troops about the U.S.S. Pelleliu (sp?) to help with rescues.

Seems about right. However, if shit really hits the fan the big fight will be to secure Pakistani special sites.

 

[Dyno]

At this point however, it's not just the lower class that are getting stepped on. Those with money to throw around and children enrolled in college are starting to get antsy too, and the violence in the major cities has been steadily increasing the past couple of years. There's gotta be a breaking point.

Pakistan doesn't really have a middle class per se. Families wealthy enough to have their kids attend good schools are capable of working in the government and holding officer positions in the army. They have their institutions to look to in times of trouble.

 

[Zapages]

Pakistan doesn't really have a middle class per se. Families wealthy enough to have their kids attend good schools are capable of working in the government and holding officer positions in the army. They have their institutions to look to in times of trouble.

another good laugh... Pakistan does have have a huge middle class and a new emerging middle class from the lower class who gotten rich... How do I know because my relatives belong in the middle class.

 

[Azih]

Sure it was. >_> The only case in Pakistan when prime minister that was killed by the military was Ziliqar Bhutto, but he was put on a trial and for breaking up the country in the first place. So he kind of deserved it IMHO. :| The other times it was other people who other agendas aka Liaquat Ali Khan...

And how many military coups have there been? Which work out to be the same thing as assassination in how a politician in Pakistan cannot control the military or the intelligence service as they can just depose them. WHICH WAS DEKU'S POINT.

 

[crazy monkey]

This made me laugh... :lol :lol :lol

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Gandhi_assassination
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajiv_Gandhi_assassination

India's government is mostly run my the Brahmin and autocracy there since the days of British India... While in Pakistan the feudal lords run country... The ones in power controlling both countries right now...

The problem in Pakistan is that ones in power are lap dogs of the West and disable Pakistan from creating an independent policy that only benefits her... Instead Pakistan's policy is always freakin what America wants or Anti-India just so some people ie. the military or the elite bureaucrats can benefit while the civilian and normal population suffers.

there were strong muslim leaders and prime ministers/ presidents in India. We also have Sikh prime minister all the religions are represented in parliament usually.

 

[Azih]

Pakistan does have have a huge middle class and a new emerging middle class from the lower class who gotten rich... How do I know because my relatives belong in the middle class.

You're both wrong. Pakistan *does* have a middle class, but it's extremely tiny as a proportion of the society, only in the large cities, and extremely embattled. And as many of them are getting the hell out of dodge as possible (that's what most of our families did didn't they?). I know I've only got a few cousins left there and I would help them emigrate to Canada anyway I could because shit is just bad over there.

 

[Zapages]

there were strong muslim leaders and prime ministers/ presidents in India. We also have Sikh prime minister all the religions are represented in parliament usually.

My new neighbors and friends are from Hydrabad, India... They don't have anything good to say about their living situation for the Muslims there. Thank God to finally be able to come here to the USA. Also Pakistan has minorities in high places in their government as well and they are represented in the parliament as well.

And how many military coups have there been? Which work out to be the same thing as assassination in how a politician in Pakistan cannot control the military or the intelligence service as they can just depose them. WHICH WAS DEKU'S POINT.

Coups does not equal assignation dude... That comparison is really out there. I am not going argue with you about that because he was just making a point about there being no assignations in India's history. Which is totally wrong.

India being saint and all in terms of politics. What's your opinion of the Annexation of Hydrabad by the Indian Army?

You're both wrong. Pakistan *does* have a middle class, but it's extremely tiny as a proportion of the society, only in the large cities, and extremely embattled. And as many of them are getting the hell out of dodge as possible (that's what most of our families did didn't they?). I know I've only got a few cousins left there and I would help them emigrate to Canada anyway I could because shit is just bad over there.

If I remember correctly you are from Karachi? Correct. Karachi is the most open society in Pakistan compared to the rest of the country.

Wrong, actually my cousins who have good jobs in Pakistan rather in live in Pakistan than want to emigrate from there to the US. We have asked them to come to the US, but they refuse because they have good stable jobs and enjoy their life there. They are the middle class of Pakistan they don't live in some shack or apparent nor a huge homes... But a middle class home that you would expect people to live in. The majority of Pakistan's population does in live in cities or smaller cities all over Pakistan. Although there is event to create suburbs around the major cities and to create new cities from the highways that have been made.

 

[crimzonflame]

I know Muslims from India that say that the average Muslim is better off in India than in Pakistan. Whats your point?

 

[theignoramus]

NEW DELHI: As Pakistan's hapless millions prepare for another flood surge, India finally stepped up to the table. Foreign ministerS M Krishna called up his counterpart Shah Mahmood Qureshi on Friday to offer aid of $5 million for the flood hit in Pakistan.

India's offer of aid has taken its time, and comes after UN secretary general Ban-ki Moon put out a global appeal for over $450 million in flood relief for Pakistan. Considering India is invariably one of the first to rush emergency aid to countries in the neighbourhood, its hesitation in announcing relief in this instance was baffling to say the least.

The MEA, normally quite good with rolling out aid diplomacy, was unusually reticent. The rest of the world, apart from the US, has not been overly generous either.

During Pakistan's massive earthquake in October 2005, India sent three consignments of relief material like blankets, medicines etc. For the first time ever, IAF planes landed in Islamabad to deliver relief material. But afterwards, officials reported that Pakistani authorities had ripped off ‘made in India' labels from relief material before distributing them, because it was easier to believe that India had not helped out during the earthquake. India had made a cash contribution to Pakistan's relief efforts, but Pakistan never used it, which led to a feeling of rejection in the Indian side.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-offers-5m-aid-to-flood-hit-in-Pakistan/articleshow/6308720.cms#ixzz0wc506NJC

 

[xbhaskarx]

During Pakistan's massive earthquake in October 2005, India sent three consignments of relief material like blankets, medicines etc. For the first time ever, IAF planes landed in Islamabad to deliver relief material. But afterwards, officials reported that Pakistani authorities had ripped off ‘made in India' labels from relief material before distributing them, because it was easier to believe that India had not helped out during the earthquake. India had made a cash contribution to Pakistan's relief efforts, but Pakistan never used it, which led to a feeling of rejection in the Indian side.

How petty :lol

 

[Shanadeus]

Well...

... a letter is better than nothing.

 

[artist]

Havent seen a thread backfire this in a long time. :lol

 

[xbhaskarx]

So India provides $5 million to its historical enemy, meanwhile Saudi Arabia still has donated nothing to Pakistan... I guess they're too busy building ugly skyscrapers with all those billions of dollars in oil money :lol

Who will help Pakistan?

While governments have slowly been ponying up funds, the US leading the way with some $ 80 million, individual donations have been almost nonexistent. Such funds constituted the bulk of Haiti's relief – over $ 1.2 billion. In comparison, Pakistan has got barely $ 10 million from individuals.

Recession-affected governments have also been reluctant. But even Saudi Arabia, a Pakistani ally, has given nothing though it donated $ 50 million to Haiti. Islamabad has tried to explain this, even blaming UK Prime Minister David Cameron for his criticism of Pakistan's stance on terrorism.

It's David Cameron's fault that Saudi Arabia has given nothing? :lol

 

[xbhaskarx]

From a Pakistani newspaper...

Are Saudis, Iranis not Pakistan’s friends anymore?

Except Kuwait, Turkey and the UAE, Pakistan has failed to receive any aid for its flood victims from any other Islamic country. The three countries have offered $5 million, $269,183 and $20,027 respectively, so far. While China with $1,479,290 and Sri Lanka with $26,667 are the only neighbouring countries that have come to the country’s aid.

According to statistics, the countries most hated by Pakistanis – as per various opinion polls – the US and UK are the two major contributors so far, while the list of remaining donors does not include any Islamic country, however, prominent donors include Germany, France, Greece, Czech Republic, Sweden and Australia. According to the information available, the total amount pledged to Pakistan so far is $84,294,357, much lower than what the UN has sought in its various appeals to the international community.


As far as neighbours such as India and Afghanistan are concerned, Pakistan can least expect from both, since none of the two had offered anything so far. As for India, which offered $500 million in aid during the 2005 Kashmir earthquake, the offer was refused by Pakistani authorities in the first place and whatever was allowed in was let to rot at security checkposts on the border.

Pakistan has always looked to Saudi Arabia whenever it faced a difficulty. According to diplomatic sources, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia are not enjoying the best of ties since the PPP government assumed power, replacing the quasi-military government of Gen (r) Pervez Musharraf, with whom the Saudi rulers had the best of relations like they had with every military ruler in Pakistan. The FO had always played down the souring ties with Saudi Arabia, said a source in the office.

However, international relations experts say a lukewarm response from Saudi Arabia and Iran is difficult to understand, as it is not the government but the people of Pakistan who are suffering and awaiting aid from both the countries.

The UAE is incredibly rich, $26 thousand in aid is more insulting than helpful :lol

 

[Azih]

Coups does not equal assignation dude

But both make clear that civilian authorities do not control the military or the intelligence service but the other way around. Which was the point that you refuse to acknowledge.

They are the middle class of Pakistan they don't live in some shack or apparent nor a huge homes...

Don't you notice how the middle class have servants? Drivers, gardners, live in maids? Don't you see how those people live in a small room at the back of the house. Don't you understand what that means?

 

[Zapages]

From a Pakistani newspaper...

Are Saudis, Iranis not Pakistan’s friends anymore?



The UAE is incredibly rich, $26 thousand in aid is more insulting than helpful :lol

Saudi's are donating 100 million dollars to Pakistan for the floods


http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article95470.ece

 

[artist]

Saudi's are donating 100 million dollars to Pakistan for the floods


http://arabnews.com/saudiarabia/article95470.ece

xbhaskarx = owned. :lol

 

[xbhaskarx]

xbhaskarx = owned. :lol

More like some Pakistani newspaper called the Daily Times = owned. I don't create the news myself, I posted a news article with a link. That ArabNews article is from August 4, but that Daily Times article from August 13 claims the Saudi Arabians have not donated anything yet.

Actually, if Saudi Arabia really donated $100 million by August 4, how come none of these other articles are including that figure in their numbers?

 

[artist]

More like some Pakistani newspaper called the Daily Times = owned. I don't create the news myself, I posted a news article with a link. That ArabNews article is from August 4, but that Daily Times article from August 13 claims the Saudi Arabians have not donated anything yet.

Actually, if Saudi Arabia really donated $100 million by August 4, how come none of these other articles are including that figure in their numbers?

Dude, you were the one harping about the oil money skyscraper shitty argument. Next time check your sources. Your tag is very apt.

 

[xbhaskarx]

Next time check your sources.

What does this even mean? Check sources like I'm a journalist? The reporting was done by that Pakistani newspaper, they're the ones who are supposed to check their sources.
How are people supposed to "check sources" to determine that an Arab News article from August 4 is correct and a Daily Times article from August 13 is incorrect?
I would assume that a Pakistani newspaper would know about $100 million in aid... if they don't know about it, that's bad reporting on their part.

 

[artist]

What does this even mean? Check sources like I'm a journalist? The reporting was done by that Pakistani newspaper, they're the ones who are supposed to check their sources.
How are people supposed to "check sources" to determine that an Arab News article from August 4 is correct and a Daily Times article from August 13 is incorrect?
I would assume that a Pakistani newspaper would know about $100 million in aid... if they don't know about it, that's bad reporting on their part.

Dude you are just selectively using stories that fit your agenda. At this point, just stop.

 

[xbhaskarx]

You're right, Pakistani newspapers are full of falsehoods and should not be trusted... ?