Indiana to allow schools to replace teaching cursive with typing

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Bad_Boy said:
i only use cursive to sign my name.

I don't even do that. My signature is literally an unreadable squiggle. Sometimes for kicks I sign my name as ASS, POO, or X. Not like any of it matters.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
Whenever you need to write something its SO MUCH FASTER.
Not really worth the investment of taking time to learn it, however.

Typing is superior, shorthand too. By the time these kids would be in extreme note taking stages where writing fast is necessary (college), they'll be right at home typing. And that's if the traditional classroom setup for standard lectures are still there in large number and not online learning where you can review lectures as often as you want.
 
Xdrive05 said:
Good. My state did the right thing for a change.

Almost makes up for the whole Pi = 3.0 thing.

The hell? No way. There is no possible way an institute of education could get away with something so heinous.
 
Yeah, I'm surprised they even teach cursive any more. I write cursive, but only for me since the shit is illegible to anyone else, it's just faster for note taking.
 
They're a bit late.

I wonder how typing will fare once voice recognition AI improves to a point where it is universally usable without training.

(Working off the - if people can do it... machines will probably be able to do it one day - rule of thumb).
 
Dead Man said:
Yeah, I'm surprised they even teach cursive any more. I write cursive, but only for me since the shit is illegible to anyone else, it's just faster for note taking.
Meaning it's basically an awkward form of stenography, in a setting where it's rarely, if ever, necessary to write that quickly.
 
ssolitare said:
I don't see what's wrong in learning cursive, teach both. It doesn't take that much time to learn.

My school spent significant portions of the second, third, and fourth grade teaching cursive. And that's time that could have been spent on literally anything else.
 
DeathIsTheEnd said:
What is cursive writing exactly? Joined up?

If so, I thought that was just standard handwriting.
Not just joined up, but the more flowing, and archaic forms of the letters:
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Orayn said:
Meaning it's basically an awkward form of stenography, in a setting where it's rarely, if ever, necessary to write that quickly.
Yep.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
Whenever you need to write something its SO MUCH FASTER.


Meh ... I learned cursive and never use it. I write in all caps unless typing.

The only reason I think one should learn how to write cursive is for a signature. Even then though, it's not like my sig is legible.
 
When is was in grade school I was told I would have to write in cursive in middle school. When I was in middle school I was told I would have to write in cursive in high school. When I was in high school I was told I would have to write in cursive in college. When I got to college I was told "I don't want to read your cursive scratch". My whole life had been a lie.
 
EskimoJoe said:
They're gonna be fucked when they take the SATs.
They'll be fine without using cursive on the SATs or other standardized tests.... You have more than enough time to put together a competent essay on the writing portion and any savings anyway wouldn't really affect things too much, if at all.
 
I was thinking about practicing my cursive, since my print kind of bad. It just takes me too long to write and I've never liked it : /
 
Only thing you need to learn to write in cursive is your name for a signature.

Good move Indiana.
 
AbsoluteZero said:
What bullshit. Cursive/Script is an important thing to learn.

Why? It was the primary way to create a lot of text quickly and legibly. It has been replaced. It served no other purpose.

As an old fart myself, who complains about the rock and roll and the Fixie bicycles, I feel confident in stating that it is no longer important. And almost archaic. Might as well teach them Latin.
 
GoldenEye 007 said:
They'll be fine without using cursive on the SATs or other standardized tests.... You have more than enough time to put together a competent essay on the writing portion and any savings anyway wouldn't really affect things too much, if at all.

When I took it, there was a small section where you had to copy some small anti-cheating paragraph in cursive.
 
Ace 8095 said:
The SAT recommended using print when I took it. Also no one gives a damn about the writing section anyway.

Yeah, but at the end of the test there's a small statement you have to write in cursive. Hardest part of the test. I remember sitting there for minutes trying to figure out what capital G looked like.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Why? It was the primary way to create a lot of text quickly and legibly. It has been replaced. It served no other purpose.
When composing new stuff, I still prefer to write things out on paper, and using print really ups the wrist strain after a few pages. The whole idea of cursive is not having to lift the pen so much, although more so for when pens didn't really let you.
 
I feel threatened by the next generation. They already know about computers and shit at like age 5 so what happens when they become the age I am now, they're going to take over. =(

In all serious'ness I feel kind of sad that kids aren't going to grow up knowing what it's like without the internet/computers. From the 70s to 90s people pretty much grew up on the same stuff. Better TVs came out but there was no huge revolution the way the internet was. Any kid going to school from 2010 and on will be radically different than previous decades.
 
As a middle school computer teacher...I was expecting to not have to worry about them learning how to type efficiently. Turns out kids can't type themselves out of a cardboard box. I was a great typer iin middle school thanks to AIM and the like. Turns out most kids can text faster than they can hunt and peck.

I just wish they could write anything without texting lingo. Oye...
 
ConfusingJazz said:
Teachers are hard pressed for what to teach, and it takes forever to teach the kids cursive. Basically reteaching them how to write for two years.
Two Years? We just set aside a little time each day to practice, and it never took anywhere close to that long.


Kurtofan said:
I can't imagine not writing in cursive, what a shame.
DeathIsTheEnd said:
If so, I thought that was just standard handwriting.
This. Cursive is pretty standard from what i've seen. Maybe i'm stuck in the past?
 
Crucified said:
Why, are they learning to type on typewriters?
Unless you also teach them to recognise whether a font is proportional or not, it is better to assume not, than to assume it is, in terms of readability. But this is a debate neither of us will settle today, and it will run for many more years.
 
Copernicus said:
The real question is....why haven't they been teaching typing all this time....wtf?

Most are. They're just required to teach cursive as well, which is a colossal waste of time.
 
Ace 8095 said:
When is was in grade school I was told I would have to write in cursive in middle school. When I was in middle school I was told I would have to write in cursive in high school. When I was in high school I was told I would have to write in cursive in college. When I got to college I was told "I don't want to read your cursive scratch". My whole life had been a lie.
Ugh, so true, to a tee! Luckily my school taught both cursive and typing. Learning to type is infinitely more important. I don't even pay attention to my signature anymore, just so long as the first letters of each word are readable, I dot the place where the 'i' would be; and have long ass tails on the 'y's at the end of my names, I think that's good enough. :P

Also they should just have everyone change to a cursive font when teaching typing. Learn two at once.
 
Copernicus said:
The real question is....why haven't they been teaching typing all this time....wtf?

This confuses me as well since I had typing classes in 4th and 5th grade back in 1992.

On the other hand, cursive does seem like a waste of time when there are so many other things in English classes that need to be addressed in such a short amount of time. I don't think I could write in cursive right now if my life depended on it since I've completely forgotten most of it.
 
Dead Man said:
Unless you also teach them to recognise whether a font is proportional or not, it is better to assume not, than to assume it is, in terms of readability. But this is a debate neither of us will settle today, and it will run for many more years.
That's ludicrous. Fixed width fonts are antiquated and are used almost entirely in applications where you wouldn't be writing in full sentences anyway.
 
Dead Man said:
As they should.

WHY?

Typewriters sometimes needed this because they don't kern, track or lead like digital typefaces. I don't mean to exaggerate, but you are worse than Stalin.

If I could get all the time and brainpower back that I had wasted removing this farcical nonsense from allegedly professional writers' work, I would have a long vacation.
 
Dead Man said:
Unless you also teach them to recognise whether a font is proportional or not, it is better to assume not, than to assume it is, in terms of readability. But this is a debate neither of us will settle today, and it will run for many more years.
You could also type out an "i" or "l" to see if you're dealing with a fixed-width font.
 
Hitokage said:
You could also type out an "i" or "l" to see if you're dealing with a fixed-width font.
Indeed you could.

Crucified said:
That's ludicrous. Fixed width fonts are antiquated and are used almost entirely in applications where you wouldn't be writing in full sentences anyway.
Courier and screenplays smiles in your direction.

OuterWorldVoice said:
WHY?

Typewriters sometimes needed this because they don't kern, track or lead like digital typefaces. I don't mean to exaggerate, but you are worse than Stalin.

If I could get all the time and brainpower back that I had wasted removing this farcical nonsense from allegedly professional writers' work, I would have a long vacation.
Stalin was just misunderstood.

But yeah, not going to get into it lol.
 
OWV, while there's no reason to use two spaces between sentences in proportional fonts, there's also absolutely no reason to anal-retentively remove them. People who learned to type that way aren't going to stop typing that way just for you, and for a sufficiently fast typist it has pretty much no effect on speed.

But yeah, the only place people use fixed-width fonts is general in programming, where there are rarely full sentences.
 
Sharp said:
OWV, while there's no reason to use two spaces between sentences in proportional fonts, there's also absolutely no reason to anal-retentively remove them.


Yes there is. When it goes to print in a publication, the renderer assumes you want the spaces and you have slightly larger gaps between sentences than looks natural. And it creates more widows and orphans in an average run of text.

It's a very bad thing.
 
Cursive is a sort of art, but so much time is spent on learning it. Then again should schools teach history of art, music, etc. either? It's pretty much a useless skill in a practical sense.

Zaptruder said:
They're a bit late.

I wonder how typing will fare once voice recognition AI improves to a point where it is universally usable without training.

(Working off the - if people can do it... machines will probably be able to do it one day - rule of thumb).
I don't think you'll ever be able to enter all the instructions to a computer using just voice. Even if you can, do you really want to listen to people around you constantly talking to a computer when you're in the office, or anywhere really. It would be unbelievably annoying. Mind link is the only thing that can successfully replace manual input with computers, with no drawback. Even with that, who knows, I think most people's thought are too disorganized to communicate using them. Verbalizing or manualizing them shapes them into something recognizable.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Yes there is. When it goes to print in a publication, the renderer assumes you want the spaces and you have slightly larger gaps between sentences than looks natural. And it creates more widows and orphans in an average run of text.

It's a very bad thing.
Then find and replace all and it's over with in two seconds. No reason for you to make such a big deal out of it.
 
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