good thing it didn't work, then
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
India's Daughter - A Documentary About Rape In India
- Thread starter FortuneFaded
- Start date
- Status
good thing it didn't work, then
SolidusDave
Member
Welp, not gonna argue against capital punishment for those guys. Unless the other option would be torture.
Truly evil people that are ignorant about it piss me off even more. Just adds this layer of wanting to push their head in the photos of the dead victim while shouting "WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND YOU STUPID FUCK".
Uh, not dumb at all. Wrap your head around this concept. India is a country of almost 1.35+ billion people. Just because you're stereotyping a bunch of immigrant IT workers in the West as smart doesn't take away from the fact that a large portion of the country is illiterate. Some of the poorer states don't even average 50% literacy or more. Women are even more disadvantaged. What this means is, even if hundreds of millions of kids are being educated everyday, and are providing millions of graduate students and researchers, there are hundreds of millions of people born into poverty and won't get much education beyond basic elementary level. Maybe next time do some fact checking before saying someone else has a dumb statement.
You need to remember, India has a population that is more than all of North America and Europe combined. So when you hear of these crimes and think it's prevalent, think of the fact it's still a relatively poor and developing country, with a lower than normal literacy rate, where women's rights are still not equal to men, etc. Things take time to change, but certain beliefs, thoughts can take longer to eradicate. That asshole rapist showed little to no remorse. The sad part is, his thinking is probably shared with millions of people there. It's up to others who believe men and women are equal, that everyone has the right to safety and security to eventually turn the tide against this way of thinking.
Stereogatari
Banned
Uh, not dumb at all. Wrap your head around this concept. India is a country of almost 1.35+ billion people. Just because you're stereotyping a bunch of immigrant IT workers in the West as smart doesn't take away from the fact that a large portion of the country is illiterate. Some of the poorer states don't even average 50% literacy or more. Women are even more disadvantaged. What this means is, even if hundreds of millions of kids are being educated everyday, and are providing millions of graduate students and researchers, there are hundreds of millions of people born into poverty and won't get much education beyond basic elementary level. Maybe next time do some fact checking before saying someone else has a dumb statement.
Exactly. It would be like judging Africa by South Africa alone. India is a country that is like a continent.
Read this earlier today. There are no words for me to say. The way of thinking isn't just wrong, it's beyond absurd. The men who think this, I mean........ I just can't. This is too much. I've never read something that made me so angry and shook me so much that I can't put words to it. Literally the worst thing I've ever read.
........ I just don't understand. I feel so sad, angry and upset with the justification going on here, it has left me with nothing to say. I can only hope that the penalties are harsh, quick and usher in a change.
........ I just don't understand. I feel so sad, angry and upset with the justification going on here, it has left me with nothing to say. I can only hope that the penalties are harsh, quick and usher in a change.
Stereogatari
Banned
In our Western bubbles it's easy to be shocked, but we're lucky to have grown up in socieities where we've moved on from such misogynistic mentalities.
The messed up caste system has been around a lot longer than that. Its tied up in indian culture and religion so tightly I wonder how you could cut it out.
The scariest part is the rapists not even thinking they did anything wrong.
SniperHunter
Banned
I wouldn't call this program India's Daughter. India is very vast country with many states, these rapes usually happen in one state called UP or Uttar Pradesh. UP saw an economic boom in the last 10 years so the poor and uneducated people from other states migrated there.
When I was living near Noida which is located just outside New Delhi back in 1998, these rape cases were unheard of and the area was sparsely populated and most women were safe. I went back there in 2010 and the situation has changed drastically.
When I was living near Noida which is located just outside New Delhi back in 1998, these rape cases were unheard of and the area was sparsely populated and most women were safe. I went back there in 2010 and the situation has changed drastically.
Yeah, I see it too. We may be more flexible with what women are "allowed" to do, but in every rape discussion people still question what the victim was wearing, was she drinking, why wasn't she more careful. People still have these imaginary limits on what women should be "allowed" to do, otherwise they are partly to blame if they're raped.
And the solution to rape in the west is the same as in India: we need to change our culture. Telling women "don't do this, don't do that" won't help a bit. So fuck anyone who tries to give that kind of advice.
I wonder how would he feel is same rape happen to his mother or wife?
HammerOfThor
Member
Ugh I could barely finish reading the OP. I'm speechless.
Pilgrimzero
Member
This stuff has ruined my perception of India. I used to think it was exotic and wise. And stuff like these rapes and a few documentaries I've seen about the place, it's more like a savage shit hole.
Very sad.
Very sad.
FortuneFaded
Member
Hanging apparently.
HolyBaikal
Banned
Rape is so sad, just thinking about it makes me want to cry. It such a horrible, torturous thing to do to someone. I wish I didn't live in a world without rape. It's part of why I've fantasized about living in a happy fantasy fairy world and escaping. To live in a utopia without violence and sexual violence and hurt and pain.
It makes me want to do everything I can to stand against this horror. This horror that must go away. I want rape to go away forever. I want this cruel tragedy and pain to stop. I want to live in a world where people don't have to worry and think about this horror. Where people like me don't have to take a stand and think about this horror, because the horror has finally left our world. Our world deserves to be innocent and kinder than this.
What can I do to stand against rape and culture in ways that I'm not already doing? What can I do to work towards a world where this doesn't happen any more? I want to live in a kind, innocent world, where this doesn't exist. I want to help to create a world that is safer from this kind of horrible violence. But I don't know where to start and what I can do.
There must be something I can do to make this world a kinder, less cruel place, with less rape.
I want to do something. I desperately want this to stop.
It makes me want to do everything I can to stand against this horror. This horror that must go away. I want rape to go away forever. I want this cruel tragedy and pain to stop. I want to live in a world where people don't have to worry and think about this horror. Where people like me don't have to take a stand and think about this horror, because the horror has finally left our world. Our world deserves to be innocent and kinder than this.
What can I do to stand against rape and culture in ways that I'm not already doing? What can I do to work towards a world where this doesn't happen any more? I want to live in a kind, innocent world, where this doesn't exist. I want to help to create a world that is safer from this kind of horrible violence. But I don't know where to start and what I can do.
There must be something I can do to make this world a kinder, less cruel place, with less rape.
I want to do something. I desperately want this to stop.
AcademicSaucer
Member
Damn, What can you do with people like that , rotten to the core ?
Did you miss the bit about the dude wanting to burn his daughter alive, in the event that were to be raped?
It's not much about dealing with the individuals, as much as it is about dealing with the culture at large, forging said individuals.
YesNOnoNOYes
Member
That was very difficult to read through. Harrowing state of things, where women are seen as inferior or of such lesser value as human beings.
The accounts of the rapist of the 5-years-old was absolutely terrifying.
The accounts of the rapist of the 5-years-old was absolutely terrifying.
I don't even know what to write. This is so shocking, and very sad to read that this is how the normal mindset is in India. Like, how do you even fix this? It'll take generations and huge amounts of money, considering how ingrained this mentality is to some/most of them and how it's partly caused by the lack of education due their extremely poor lifestyle. 100 years won't be enough, even if we start now. It would be nothing short of a miracle to stamp out this sickening way of thinking for a proper one within this century.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The only real way to do it is to override the teaching from parents. As you might expect, it's damn near impossible. Furthermore the problem is not exclusive to India. The Deep South (but not limited to), for example, in the US has similar problems with racism that became culturally ingrained and passed from father to son and so on.
lowhighkang_LHK
Member
So when does this film get released and is it open to the public?
Glorified G
Member
The quotes followed completely contradicts this. These men are the definition of deranged monsters.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Err... wow, tell us how you really feel. </s>
India certainly has some cultural problems, most stemming from their caste system, but your line of thinking is fucking backwards.
InsaneZero
Member
The problem that's being highlighted here isn't necessarily that these people would be considered ordinary if they weren't rapists. It's that rape is so ingrained into this culture that it has become a social norm, just like going to work and hanging out with friends.
Woahohoho buddy. This just escalated.
unholyrevenger72
Banned
you gather them up and execute them or quarantine them away from the rest of the world to die of old age somewhere.
I usually find people like you here
Subpar Spatula
Banned
When in an environment that doesn't necessarily care people will eventually lower their morals. There's not much in Indian society that promotes equality so being looked down on is natural.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
I'm still literately laughing out loud.
My poor pokemon avatar... :*(
Yeah, when not all people are viewed equally you end up with the situation outlined in the OP.
My poor pokemon avatar... :*(
If only Suikoden was alive like Pokemon
Yeah, when not all people are viewed equally you end up with the situation outlined in the OP.
Glorified G
Member
I call bullshit on that. These are sociopaths and people like that will not admit remorse and will make excuse for their behavior. Ted Bundy, who was the most famous serial rapist and murderer for the West for the last century proclaimed innocence almost until the end when he realize he wasn't getting off death row. Interviewing these men barely shows anything about their culture.
I'm not going to say their isn't cultural issues that could have contributed to these awful events, but I'm not going brand a whole society to think or believe a certain way because a few quotes from gang rapists.
Soul dipped in tar, indeed. I can barely bring myself to look at this, I keep closing browser windows after a sentence or two. I knew things were this bad but seldom is it on such horrifically banal display.
If you take anything from this, let it be how effectively contempt for women camouflages itself as normal and proper. These men did not find these attitudes in a vacuum.
If you take anything from this, let it be how effectively contempt for women camouflages itself as normal and proper. These men did not find these attitudes in a vacuum.
You really underestimate the power cultural imprint can have on the human mind.
You think every single slaver or every single nazist was clinically sociopathic? People have been dehumanizing the "different" since the dawn of man, and it doesn't add up that all of these would be born with a mental disorder.
Not to say the two things can't go together, i'm sure many of these people in the OP, were also born with something very wrong with their heads, but culture alone can breed some pretty monstrous behavior.
I mean, you don't even have to look at India, since rape culture all around the globe, stems from a similar mentality.
Also, it's not about branding a whole society.
A culture having some issues, doesn't mean every single person born in said culture will manifest the same behavior, nor that every part of that culture is rotten.
Otherwise there wouldn't be activists fighting for change in India, especially in the younger generations.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/gang-rape-documentary-banned-in-india/article23278117/
Seems it will not be aired in India yet.
Seems it will not be aired in India yet.
The Smoking Bun
Banned
On one hand, stupid. On the other hand we Indians lived it, not like the Docu is telling us something different. Nobody is condoning the actions of the rapists
Prime crotch
Banned
Well they sure didn't make it better.
This is a good article, it's good to identify issues but we shouldn't just be pointing fingers as if casting away our own messed up problems.
FortuneFaded
Member
It will be aired at 10pm on the 8th of March in the UK and it was supposed to air in India as well. It will also be shown in Canada. I will try to find a link after that date and post it here.
FortuneFaded
Member
I really don't like the quashing of free speech without a good cause. Leslee Udwin has given her response to the ban:
Audioboxer
Member
I feel the same... But I will watch it as I like to have the knowledge of how despicable some treat my fellow humans.
- Status