Messofanego
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This is terrible. I was also excited for Homesick. I hope she gets the best of help.
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Indie game developer Chloe Sagal attempted suicide on TwitchTV, not dead
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As someone who has had suicidal depression before: What the fuck are you talking about?
I understand the feelings someone has when they think there's nothing left for them, it's awful and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. But suicide is not a good, courageous thing. When someone feels suicidal, most of the time their emotions are clouding their judgment. Just because they think that things won't get better doesn't mean that's true in any way whatsoever.
You can't apply "rational logic" to suicide. It's irrational by nature.
I'm glad Chloe got help, and I hope things work out.
Huw_Dawson
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This has to be one of the darkest threads on GAF I have ever read.
Depression happens to many people. If it isn't treated, it ends in suicide. It is a disease, and like most other mental diseases it is woefully misunderstood by those who have not had it at some point.
I sincerely hope that this person gets the help they need.
Depression happens to many people. If it isn't treated, it ends in suicide. It is a disease, and like most other mental diseases it is woefully misunderstood by those who have not had it at some point.
I sincerely hope that this person gets the help they need.
People thought that but there might have been some shadiness because I think she wasn't as forth coming with more information as some would have liked but there was never any proof from what I remember. That's never stopped people before from going overboard thinking the worse. Also I thought the service that was being used for donations before had something automated kick in and cancel things. Not that someone was actively reviewing things and then decided something didn't seem right. I do feel somewhat bad that I didn't keep up to date on this as I was going to donated but was to late.
Know that feel, bro
I think I had something like a 2 years untreated depression that really got me close to the edge. I actually think the only thing that saved me in those dark times were videogames.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Hopefully she gets some help and a good support structure.
JessicaPadkin
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Yeah... even if that story is true, I really can't judge her. Some (not all) trans people are absolutely terrified of being 'outed', and sadly it's not hard to understand why. :/ If she was that desperate, even though what she (allegedly) did might not have the right thing to do, I really can't look down on her for it. Just a horrible situation either way. (And just saying, in the UK gender reassignment/therapy is covered on the NHS too I believe, so that would've been less of an issue...)
Whatever the truth is, I hope everything works out better for her.
Joel Was Right
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Did she at any point address any of the accusations of fraud?
Apparently her being trans actually started from reddit with no real basis in fact. My quoted post is a bit out of place in this thread.
Some of you are fucking vile and transparent, you know that?
Glad to hear she's not dead. I hope she gets better perspective of the situation after this.
NoirVisage
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I thought it was an accepted fact as well, I even recall someone saying the person admitted that they weren't a biological female, if it turns out that's not the case, thats pretty sad in itself that it caught fire like that.
Holy Order Sol
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Glad she didn't die. And yeah, you just can't understand these things when you're thinking straight.
I have no idea what happened with her, but I'm glad she's safe and recovering.
Wether there was a scam/fraud or not, I hope she realizes that suicide is never the answer to any problem. And I hope she finds strength in herself and all the people she loves. This is when friends support makes a big difference.
Wether there was a scam/fraud or not, I hope she realizes that suicide is never the answer to any problem. And I hope she finds strength in herself and all the people she loves. This is when friends support makes a big difference.
I'd say both. You have people that hate homosexuals/transgendered and the people that don't like being (potentially) scammed.
As someone who actually experienced a suicide by my best friend, I really abhor this. Well, for on, please, don't kill yourself and for two, please do not do it like this. Its bad enough as it is, please don't make a spectacle out of this.
This is depressing
I have read the OP briefly and didn't get the cause of this. What was the reason for her issues and depression?
[EDIT] after reading it cerefully it seems that she was really affected by metal or a crash that cased some material to be in her body. Holy Shit. please be OK!
This is depressing
I have read the OP briefly and didn't get the cause of this. What was the reason for her issues and depression?
[EDIT] after reading it cerefully it seems that she was really affected by metal or a crash that cased some material to be in her body. Holy Shit. please be OK!
famousmortimer
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Whether affected by metal or not, being transgender or not, or even being a scammer or not... the one thing that seems clear is that she is mentally ill and that she needs help. She doesn't need scorn, she doesn't need to 'suck it up.' She needs help.
I'm glad she isn't dead and hope she will now get that help and the rest of this, whatever the truth is, can be worked out afterwards.
I'm glad she isn't dead and hope she will now get that help and the rest of this, whatever the truth is, can be worked out afterwards.
Diddy Kong
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This. God bless.
You don't need any particular reason to be depressed. It could be biological, there doesn't need to be any sort of "trigger" or trauma. My mental illness manifested very suddenly.
Edit: Being transgender alone could have brought on her depression really. That's a very conflicting thing to deal with internally and society is of course full of ignorance. Not going to pretend to understand what struggling with my sexual identity is like.
SonicMegaDrive
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This hits way too close to home for me.
Hope she gets the help she needs.
Hope she gets the help she needs.
BronsonLee
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I haven't followed this story too hard, but I don't believe there's actually any proof of her scamming. Just conjecture.
Crash Station
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My god, I wasn't expecting the thread to turn out like this. I try not be confrontational here about stuff outside of media-related things, but some of you people are just... ugh.
Steve McQueen
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Damn.....hopes she's gonna be okay :/
It's funny how in that thread nobody gave a damn about the post that the doctor did
It's not always like that though. For me it's absolute negativity and sadness.
Dusk Golem
A 21st Century Rockefeller
I'm very happy she got the help in time, and hope she gets the help she needs to overcome this. And in a selfish way, I hope she can find the strength to face her mistakes, and to work on games again. I have a really bad feeling people are going to treat her cruelly, be harsh on any game she makes for a while, and could be a trigger for a vicious cycle. Her game was leaked online and she decided to just release it free to the public, and I did enjoy it and am interested to see what she can come up with.
I know saying this doesn't 'fix' anything, it just adds to the vicious cycle, but I personally feel this topic highlights so many problems with the Internet and society in general. Hatred and disrespect to those who are depressed, suicidal, somehow saying they're terrible people for being such, they just need to suck it up or selfish standards put on them as, "I never killed myself," or even making fun of them. Hatred and disrespect to those who are homosexual or transgendered, a misunderstanding and mistreatment of people who are different than you or what they often have to go through. Working on assumption that the worst possibility is fact, something with no definitive proof, "must be true," and is widespread like wildfire. And worse yet, people attacking their fellow man. Over something that's not even certain, but worse yet, just the need for people to attack others, and in this case, attacking her for all of the above things.
And because of how 'stigmas' are so commonplace on the Internet, this probably isn't going to go away for her.
This IS depressing.
I know saying this doesn't 'fix' anything, it just adds to the vicious cycle, but I personally feel this topic highlights so many problems with the Internet and society in general. Hatred and disrespect to those who are depressed, suicidal, somehow saying they're terrible people for being such, they just need to suck it up or selfish standards put on them as, "I never killed myself," or even making fun of them. Hatred and disrespect to those who are homosexual or transgendered, a misunderstanding and mistreatment of people who are different than you or what they often have to go through. Working on assumption that the worst possibility is fact, something with no definitive proof, "must be true," and is widespread like wildfire. And worse yet, people attacking their fellow man. Over something that's not even certain, but worse yet, just the need for people to attack others, and in this case, attacking her for all of the above things.
And because of how 'stigmas' are so commonplace on the Internet, this probably isn't going to go away for her.
This IS depressing.
All of this. The strong should stand up for the weak. There is no excuse for cruelty. I'm appalled people could mock someone who has hit rock-bottom. Fucking appalled.
Cry for help, though she was probably not thinking of it as such when she did it. No one really wants to die, they want to escape from the pain. It was probably her mind's last subconscious attempt for survival. "If someone sees this maybe they will care enough to call someone who will help me. I'm too far gone to help myself."
Is it really a scam though? I very seriously doubt she would have taken the money and bought herself a car or wasted it on junk.
People donated because they saw a person in need; she needed medical attention. Whether that was for metal poisoning or sexual reassignment surgery, what does it really matter? People donated because she was in pain and they wanted to see her get better.
If she took things as far as to try to commit suicide, isn't that enough for people to see that she's hurting. Do we really have to label her scammer or whatever other mean names. She's a human and obviously in a lot of pain and sadness. Why not see that and have empathy that she's obviously gone through a lot that maybe we can't begin to fathom. But the point is she needs support from kind people and medical attention that she deems necessary to help her live a fulfilling life.
I'm so glad that help arrived in time. And I hope now that she will find the support and care she needs and doesn't feel pushed to the brink to try something like this again.
Hale-XF11
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The internet (let alone, gaf) is the last place I would ever look to for empathy, although I suppose if I were desperate enough and out of options, I might try in vain.
Glad to see that it was just an attempt and that she had gotten help before it was too late. Now the healing can begin.
Forsaken82
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Did someone really comment " watched it live.. Was kind of boring... "? W... T... F?
Were they expecting a gun to the mouth? Slit wrists? I didn't realize Suicide was supposed to be an exciting thing to watch...
Were they expecting a gun to the mouth? Slit wrists? I didn't realize Suicide was supposed to be an exciting thing to watch...
What's most disturbing is someone would want to watch someone kill themselves in the first place. A person with any degree of empathy whatsoever would be filled with concern. If everyone had been spamming the comments with pleas for the girl to stop, she probably would've been distracted by people caring, which would've bought time for someone to reach her before she hurt herself.
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