IndieGogo - Windows 10 GPD Handheld -299$ "A Laptop Fitting in Your Pocket"
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Thats....really disappointing to hear thought we were getting better units not worse.
Phawx
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Yea, I never believed we'd be getting better units. Not sure why others were so positive about it.
Somewhere in the 100s pages at Dingoonity, I told everyone logistically they would have no time to do a proper QA cycle after the JD.com units.
Edit: for the record, I didn't think it would be *worse* than jd.com. I just thought it was be the same quality as JD.com stuff.
Guess what?
Just to give a idea of why this is bad copper has a thermal conductivity of 401 W/mK
Depending on the manufacturer and how it's made Kapton tape seems to vary but is below 0.45 W/mK.
Still better than air but thats a bottleneck when it comes to transferring heat.
Also for reference.
Kapton tape and no fins!
Just to give a idea of why this is bad copper has a thermal conductivity of 401 W/mK
Depending on the manufacturer and how it's made Kapton tape seems to vary but is below 0.45 W/mK.
Still better than air but thats a bottleneck when it comes to transferring heat.
Also for reference.
Phawx
Member
Just a head's up one of the screw holes is stuck in your fan. Looks like it fell out of the copper.
HowardRoark
Member
Hey Phawx, in anticipation of getting the damn thing, I'm trying to get all of the accessories that I would need for improving this thing. What size shim would I need? And how much clearance do we have to add fins? Would most GPU memory heatsinks fit?
Phawx
Member
I'd first make sure your GPDwin works before trying to mod it.
Also, I am so happy right now, my Heatsink mod fixed my 8750. I guess I should have let my machine rest for a bit.
Pull 50~fps on the metroid intro now
f@luS
More than a member.
I installed Cupid hwmonitor. I get around 55/60 degree doing some idle basic stuff (unzipping for exemple ) with fanx2/ almost same with fan x1 and 65/70 fanless is that around normal temp ?
Beside this I see cores going a lot to 2400mhz is that because of your settings phawx ? I mean it's good. I guess
It's damn crazy to have a full computer of that size. Done wizardry. I wanted this really bad.
Beside this I see cores going a lot to 2400mhz is that because of your settings phawx ? I mean it's good. I guess
It's damn crazy to have a full computer of that size. Done wizardry. I wanted this really bad.
HowardRoark
Member
I'm still fine with getting the materials early. I'd like to be prepared.
Better than the 8700?
The IndieGoGO units seem to be getting the short hand of the stick according to some and us having a worse heatsink.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
So how is this for ps2 emulation?
Also as someone who just discovered this project are people finding it to be pretty good?
Also as someone who just discovered this project are people finding it to be pretty good?
f@luS
More than a member.
Talking alone lol 
Phawx last thing again beside my previous unanswered question (sorry if II bother ) your last step regarding your bios guide is a value to change from 1 to 0 in the register. I still don't have the performance mode in energy. Just normal and economy. Any idea ?
Phawx last thing again beside my previous unanswered question (sorry if II bother ) your last step regarding your bios guide is a value to change from 1 to 0 in the register. I still don't have the performance mode in energy. Just normal and economy. Any idea ?
Phawx
Member
Alrighty
Shim size = 20mm x 20mm x 1mm (copper is fine)
Arctic Alumina Adhesive (epoxy)
and whatever TIM you want to get. AS5,etc
Talking alone lol
Phawx last thing again beside my previous unanswered question (sorry if II bother ) your last step regarding your bios guide is a value to change from 1 to 0 in the register. I still don't have the performance mode in energy. Just normal and economy. Any idea ?
If you see two energy profiles, click advanced. You should see the third open up.
Still nothing but these after a minute or two running.
Although I downloaded Resident Evil 6 benchmark app from steam and I can go through the entire benchmark without crashing averaging 9 fps.
Or it did yesterday on whatever graphics driver came installed.
Installing the beta intel drivers and will give it a whirl.
Gonna download a variety of different games I have from different time periods and test some things.
Anyone else have torchlight to test?
And in-between the black screen flashes as the graphics driver fails and resets over and over again before I get the app blocked popup I get graphical errors the likes of which you'd see when you have a failing graphics card.
Although I downloaded Resident Evil 6 benchmark app from steam and I can go through the entire benchmark without crashing averaging 9 fps.
Or it did yesterday on whatever graphics driver came installed.
Installing the beta intel drivers and will give it a whirl.
Gonna download a variety of different games I have from different time periods and test some things.
Anyone else have torchlight to test?
broncobuster
Banned
Having never used IGG before, if I end up getting a bad unit, I'm SOL in getting a replacement, right? I'm a ways away from getting mine but I don't imagine they'll fix things by then.
Scouring through different forums .. it seems those who got from Geekbuying (particularly the Spanish sets) have no problems. Those who are having issues seem to be the IGG backers and some from Dragonbox..
Perhaps they are using different manufacturers causing some QC problems?
Perhaps they are using different manufacturers causing some QC problems?
8bitForLife
Member
Mine was shipped from CN on geekbuying i hope i didnt get a dude I could barely afford this thing.
When did you order?!
HowardRoark
Member
Wow, that's pretty good for a new game! Any crashes/shutdowns for you yet?
That's pretty good. I wonder if we can get 50fps by lowering the resolution a bit.
8bitForLife
Member
geekbuying i said
I only played for 5 mins, and it's the first game I played. No crash or shutdown, but I stopped to install riva so I can check out the temps. I'll boot it up again once it installs and see.
Also, I tried to lower the rez, but 720p was the lowest the game seemed to allow?
I bought 2 GPD WINs (one will be a gift), but this is my IGG version.
Well I've tried every intel update I can, gone through many settings in the BIOS playing with settings and still nothing.
Well I did find it can play the original thief but that's not much of a accomplishment.
Kendy and Wade have replied on Dingoonity.
Well I did find it can play the original thief but that's not much of a accomplishment.
Kendy and Wade have replied on Dingoonity.
heh I can crash the display driver using gamemodels3d.com viewing a armor model.
You can force lower resolutions by fiddling around with the ini files.
Oh there's a new BIOS that was released yesterday I guess.
Well the post is from yesterday at least.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4847879733
Well the post is from yesterday at least.
http://tieba.baidu.com/p/4847879733
Not sure if it really applies to us though.
HowardRoark
Member
I know it's because English is not their native language, but "device fever" makes me laugh.
I tried LowSpecGamer's ini config. I was only in the practice range, but it was a locked, stable 30fps. I wanted to delimit the fps to see how high it can run, but I cant seem to disable the lock except in-game (which overwrites the old config),
Edit: Fiddled a bit more. 30 - 50 in the practice area, staying around 40fps and 70C (fans on high). Totally playable like this. Though I'd have to try it in an actual match (limiting to 30 might be the best idea there).
Been running for about 10 mins now. No crash, no shutdown.
Phawx
Member
I am on the 10/25 build on my 8750. It adds TPM which needs to be disabled.
Wait, which are the good units? The 8750 or the 8700?
Anecdotally, it seems the 8750 are more stable, a smidge faster, and have a better heatsink. There are still good 8700s too, mind you.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
Shipping info says my WIN has been at the Hong Kong airport for almost a week.
Anyone else getting that?
Anyone else getting that?
Mine is travelling all the France, it stayed in Paris for some days, than it went to Lyon and now... I don't know -.-'
Geekbuying? Yeah, mine is saying the same thing.
Dr. Benton Quest
Banned
Well at least I'm not alone.
Same I'm still hoping for a next week drop off but I don't get why it's there so long
If it's a bad CPU, what are the chances that GPD will offer a replacement? This will be my first crowd funded deliverable, I'm getting nervous with all these horror stories.
DrROBschiz
Member
So i played around with mine a bit
Seems ok and stable but so hard to say until i put it up against something difficult
Phawx what steps should i start taking to determine the quality of my device
Otherwise my impressions are positive. Not crazy about the shoulder buttons. They work but man.. They are very flimsy feeling. Would be the first thing to break.
Might be the first thing i would consider modding
Otherwise everything else works great. Turning off screen rotation is super easy in windows 10 btw
Seems ok and stable but so hard to say until i put it up against something difficult
Phawx what steps should i start taking to determine the quality of my device
Otherwise my impressions are positive. Not crazy about the shoulder buttons. They work but man.. They are very flimsy feeling. Would be the first thing to break.
Might be the first thing i would consider modding
Otherwise everything else works great. Turning off screen rotation is super easy in windows 10 btw
Did you include your phone number?
HowardRoark
Member
FYI, speaking of screen rotation, I'm seeing on dingoonity that a couple people had success with crashing by disabling the Kionix devices in device manager (or uninstalling drivers):
Another interesting observation is that some people are saying that the device lasts longer before shutdown when they turn off the fan. I had suspected poor power management as a cause when reading the impressions where devices were shutting down, but if this fan case is consistent across the board for those whose devices shut down, then I think that's the issue.
Phawx, are there any voltage/power management settings in the BIOS?
Phawx
Member
Download a 3D game or benchmark and play or let it run for an hour straight. Make sure the fan has room to breath and the fan is at max.
No. When it comes to power usage the only things that you can change are settings like "power+performance" to energy efficient. Or customizing the settings of the CPU to not use speed step.
Seems like people would be better off using ThrottleStop in Windows to curb the CPU multiplier.
Other things that *should* reduce energy usage but still seem to cause crashes for people is the energy efficient modes of the GPU. By Default IGD thermal is disabled. If you enable this, the thermal throttle should be much lower but some people are still experiencing issues.
HowardRoark
Member
Yeah, reducing CPU frequency is definitely good for reducing power draw, and I think a user on dingoonity tried that and it resulted in lengthening the time between shutdowns (not eliminating issues altogether though). The thing with the auto-throttling is that there are a few reports that temps don't get very high before shutdown. I'm totally speculating on all of this, but typically the sequence of events for a GPU is something like:
- 3D application attempts to render
- GPU ramps up the clockspeed/memory frequency, which requests more power from the PSU.
- At sustained high load and higher power draw, temps increase.
From my limited time overclocking CPU/GPU, you can either have reboot/shutdown issues due to:
- Voltage Starvation
- Thermal Issues (auto-shutdown due to thermal protection features)
I have seen no reports of extremely high temps before shutdown, so it would seem to point more to a voltage starvation problem.
Again, I'm just a computer hobbyist with limited anecdotal experience, and I don't have a failing device (yet) to perform anything more scientific with this hypothesis. If I am right, given that there is no access to voltage settings, device owners really have nothing in their power (pun intended) to fix it. Either a motherboard issue (most likely IMO), battery issue, or BIOS issue. The final being the most optimistic case, as a BIOS update could save the devices from being returned.
MJPIA, one thing that we could try: can you limit the CPU as Phawx suggested, flip the switch off on the fan, turn on a temp monitor that logs to file in quick intervals (we'll want to see the values after it reboots), and run a graphically intensive game? This should reduce power draw by a significant amount, so it should be some interesting data. To be scientific about it, we would repeat this with all of the variables changed: one with CPU not limited, one with fan on, etc.
Phawx
Member
Yea, your reasoning is sound. I'm leaning towards that idea myself. Also because the third GPDwin I had which seemingly had power issues now doesn't do anything.
They sent me a GPDbrick. Hopefully they'll replace it. :/
I have a feeling I'm going to have to fix it myself.
Yesterday I went through the BIOS and disabled turboboost and changed some setting I don't remember to gimp the GPU without success.
Although I just rechecked everything in BIOS and all the settings are original.
I've gone in there at least 6 or 7 times changing settings and saving each time and apparently it didn't do a thing.
Maybe BIOS changes can fix it, I can't tell.
I can't save any changes to BIOS so all my testing so far was a complete waste of time apparently.
I'm gonna try updating the BIOS.
Maybe that'll fix my BIOS page being rotated 90 degrees as well.
Are we having fun yet?
{E} actually thinking about it I was able to set the RAM to single channel so I guess thats one thing that actually managed to change.
Although I just rechecked everything in BIOS and all the settings are original.
I've gone in there at least 6 or 7 times changing settings and saving each time and apparently it didn't do a thing.
Maybe BIOS changes can fix it, I can't tell.
I can't save any changes to BIOS so all my testing so far was a complete waste of time apparently.
I'm gonna try updating the BIOS.
Maybe that'll fix my BIOS page being rotated 90 degrees as well.
Are we having fun yet?
{E} actually thinking about it I was able to set the RAM to single channel so I guess thats one thing that actually managed to change.