blankempathy
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Then isn't her posting those screen shots her way of saying this behavior isn't right?
IndieStatik Founder apologizes for "inappropriate" comments to female game dev
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Then isn't her posting those screen shots her way of saying this behavior isn't right?
It is much more effective for society to punish criminals than to train every citizen to defend themselves from criminals. Similarly, victim blaming this developer is useless.
Mental Atrophy
Banned
*rolls eyes* Josh got into the spanish fly... again... Somebody get the super soaker.
I just think there's better ways of handling these things. I would think it reasonable to try and reach out to a person first and tell them how displeased / hurt / offended you are by something you did. If that doesn't work then yeah by all means go public.
Guess women just have a history of sending this guy mixed signals.
Seems like the guy is a repeat offender. A little publicity may've been needed to get him to stop.
Devolution
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But she should have done *insert opinion here* though.
blankempathy
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True but with this latest development from the tweets just posted it may seem like he has a history of this. I agree though there are better ways to handle this. Especially if they were "friends". Its out in the public now though. Shoulda woulda coulda is out the window now.
Unhandled Exception
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Holy shit. Alright then, all bets are off. This guy needs to get the fuck out of this industry.
runnin_blue
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You're still here? I thought you ditched.
Would you like to respond to me then?
runnin_blue said:
Devolution
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Nah I got what I came for with your admission of it being contradictory. I don't know if walking away would have done much for someone who has to deal with him in one way or another due to work.
EdibleKnife
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I'm just sayin' all the women he's offended over time could have been a bit more proactive. Ya know, empower themselves :/
It was a private facebook conversation that was posted (blurred) to twitter. And about the drunkenness, you can look at the time line as the conversation goes over 8 hours with a 6 hour break.
terribletwo
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Perhaps in the next gears of war, Jaffe can have a scene where instead of batting a pair of firm titties around, Kratos admonishes the women for dressing in a way that would make him want to bat them around
Why is exposing the situation wrong? He is creeping on her, and still doing it 5 hours later. Where is the protocol that says when to or no to go public?
IncandescentPrecept
Banned
So, the best way to deal with this was to post this on a messageboard and inviting the mob to gang on him?
HueyFreeman
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Dude, just don't go down this road. Part of her efforts during the convo may be to try and pull him out of the social media nosedive he was in. But more importantly, just... don't go to this place. Focus on him - she was nothing but composed and professional. (Admittedly, there may be better ways than posting the screens to shine a light, but still).
EDIT: The history of the same behavior (if confirmed) is a deal sealer. He's probably just getting caught being his usual creepy self.
Devolution
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Sounds like they did. By airing this to the world. Oh how cruel of them.
I noticed this after I bothered to.....read the article. Sorry.
Yeah I'm seeing that now. That completely changes things. 1st time doing it to a friend is one thing, but someone who does this repeatedly...
runnin_blue
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The question mark suggested I wasn't entirely sure where you were coming from. No admission sorry.
But thanks for your answer?
PapaJustify
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Was a super stupid and inappropriate conversation from Josh, still I believe that it should not have been exposed this way. Even though Josh is very much a douche, he still has the right to a dignified handling of the situation.
That was also Jaffes point btw.
That was also Jaffes point btw.
Is that what you think it happened?
No Jaffes point was that she was unprofessional because she did not say "NO"
well said
Riposte
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Jaffe doesn't actually work on God of War as of now (or since a long time ago). These snarky 4chan posts are real lame when there are proper grievances to be had.
MetalGuardian
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While metal health CAN consist of heavy drinking, awkwardly pleading to unleash your horniness on an unsuspecting friend while trying to learn about a new video game is decidedly not part of the equation
Beyond all of the obvious (yet relevant) comments about how completely bullshit it is that this lady had to deal with this, I'd instead like to draw attention to how ridiculously horrible the dude is at "flirting".
"do you know what game theyre working on?
I will kiss you on the vagina if you do"
Woah WHAT? That is... not a segue. Even if this dude perceived some sort of sexual spark between the two of them, that is not the way to charm any potential romantic partner.
"No maam. For making you cum and feel complete euphoria
Err... you know... boxing"
SO SMOOTH
Jesus
On a more serious note, I legitimately feel for the guy because I can't imagine how soul-crushingly awful it would be to have a sibling commit suicide, but I also don't quite know how much sympathy the guy deserves here. He certainly needs some for his situation in general, but for this particular instance, I'm not sure how good of an excuse "I was drunk and depressed" is. I've been drunk and depressed countless times in my life, and have never done anything remotely close to this. Also, unless the dude was on a total bender and is such a champ that his all night booze sessions don't render his typing illegible, he probably wasn't still drunk at 5:50 in the morning.
Crazy situation all around.
He has a history that he has done this to other people. There's even a youtube vid where the woman calls it creepy. Seems like he just doesn't get it. Not to mention the girl gave the guy a chance to respond in a dignified matter, to which he was totally oblivious to.
EdibleKnife
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He really lost the right to much of any sort of measured, "dignified" response when he decided to act completely undignified. On multiple occasions, no less.
striferser
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Welly, welly, well, what have we got here?
Okay, Josh really should get his shit together.
I wonder if in that 5 hour gap she said anything to him, or just thought it best to ignore him. I guess we won't know until we hear it from the source. But yeah he was being way creepy. Just seems so bizzare - like two completely different conversations going on there.
DryvBy
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I see what you're saying, and I agree. But I'm just stating she should have at least, bare minimum, told the guy to stop. And that's what Jaffe was talking about and what I was agreeing with him on.
Now back to bashing this creep, because he's a creep and went a bit too far. The alcohol line was killer. "Sorry, I was drunk and typing just fine.".
I think you give up the right to dignity when you say the stupid shit he said on Facebook.
She doesn't owe him a spec of candor on this issue. He fucked up.
NTIETS13A_Superiority
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You act like peole care how the guy feels. What that woman did is on her. She could have stopped conversation. For what ever reason she chose not to. I do not care that she went public. It is not important part of this conversation to me.
Being asshole to asshole does not make you anything other than asshole. (Not saying what she did was assholic(well I do not know her reasoning), but thinking because someone was arsehole then anything goes. I do not think so)
From wikipedia : Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.[1] In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by the US EEOC, "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that persons sex." Harassment can include "sexual harassment" or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.
It was sexual harassment.
No this was a good opportunity to teach some people that when you get ignored it's pretty much a big neon sign telling you no. It still baffles me that people don't understand this.
People should be made aware of the person he is towards women before working with him. We are talking women now. Not a single incident or isolated case that you could MAYBE attribute to drunkenness, although still not excusing him for what he's done.
Dude is trash. He has now been outed as trash. The only positives here are people have been made publicly aware AND he's personally acknowledged, despite attempts to excuse himself, that he is garbage.
Good thing you don't write the laws then, because you lack common sense!
Mental Atrophy
Banned
Definitely. We should be beyond the notion of privacy by now. You can't fully integrate telecom into every facet of your life and still expect to keep it, especially when you are being a cunty bastard.
runnin_blue
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What does this mean?
PapaJustify
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And I don't think that's possible, you see? I am German though. The right to dignity for each and every human being is the first paragraph of our constitution.
People in here are just mad.
It's possible that she knew of his history of doing this to other people, and just wanted to gather enough evidence and then go public. I've already shared my stance on this on my previous posts, but given what I know now, I can't see any other scenario.
runnin_blue
Banned
He had given up his 'right' to Dignity by acting like a bag of smashed assholes.
People in here are mad because a guy that can put a lot of pressure on people in the industry is acting like he's only read about flirting with women in the Penthouse Letters.
Nymphae
Banned
Cannot believe how hard that guy was trying. "Let me know if you need a penis for anything in the near future?" I didn't think people actuaully said things like this, let alone publicly on facebook walls.
Drunk or not, you do not send that shit to a friend or colleague, or well, anyone really. I love when people use "I was drunk" as an excuse for moronic behaviour. A drunk man's words are a sober man's thoughts.
runnin_blue
Banned
A face like a bucket of smashed crabs. Is what I like to say.
So fucking true, it's not funny.
A victim did not act in the exact way that I think is 100 percent perfect in the given situation (and I think this while viewing the problem completely in retrospect), therefore she must bear some of the responsibility for another person's creepy behavior despite her not doing anything wrong.
Note that in Jaffe's story about a coworker, he said he did not like the girl who was able to speak up. Jaffe refuses to realize that women who immediately shut down this type of behavior are seen as cold bitches or feminazis who "can't take a joke" by butthurt dudes. And of course he doesn't like the type of person that he requires a victim be. Enough so that he must make pains to explicitly state his dislike for this person even though it has nothing to do with the story he's telling.
The type of victim blaming that Jaffe is doing actually makes it harder for women to speak up right when something happens.
Note that in Jaffe's story about a coworker, he said he did not like the girl who was able to speak up. Jaffe refuses to realize that women who immediately shut down this type of behavior are seen as cold bitches or feminazis who "can't take a joke" by butthurt dudes. And of course he doesn't like the type of person that he requires a victim be. Enough so that he must make pains to explicitly state his dislike for this person even though it has nothing to do with the story he's telling.
The type of victim blaming that Jaffe is doing actually makes it harder for women to speak up right when something happens.
PapaJustify
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It's not like I am surprised. I just sometime wish the same people who accuse those with a more differentiated, calm view on this (or any similar) matter to lack common sense, would realize that it is actually themselves who lack the very same.
But how are we better now, when we put 10x the pressure on him in return?
Deus Ex Machina
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http://kotaku.com/reporter-apologizes-for-crude-sexual-comments-to-female-1505393796
Full apology on his tumblr:
http://joshmattingly.tumblr.com/post/74003803734/regretfully
Fully unblurred conversation here, take note of the timestamps.
The guy allegedly has a history of this behavior:
Interfectum
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It's all about the timeline, IMO.
It was obvious in her initial conversation she didn't want to escalate the situation. She wanted to keep a personal/professional working relationship with the man (nothing wrong with that btw simply because she's female). The proverbial straw that broke the camel's back was when she woke up to this:
This is what caused her to go beyond simply talking to him and prompted a public shaming. He had 6-7 hours to get his head straight, drunk or not, but he still continued with and even turned up the aggressiveness.
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