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[runnin_blue]

Well no point in discussing things with you then.

Cool. Stop quoting me then.

 

[IncandescentPrecept]

Is that what you think it happened?

Ok, it was her friend. Still, as others have said, a simple 'stop' would be more professional.

 

[NTIETS13A_Superiority]

I have been here before thank you, but we can do without your condescending posts to stroke your own ego.

You are way more aggressive than him(assumption). They both have rights and have used them. I see no victim here (well she was a victim of shitty posts.).
Edit: I laugh at the thought that saying she could have done something is victim blameing. Was going to post more, but I realised I am just here because I am baffeled (and amused) how big deal some make this to be. This is some very lame/tame shit. But i am out now as I am wasting yours and mine time. Chiao!

 

[Mental Atrophy]

Someone who does this may not intend to, but that's definitely how it can be perceived (and I would argue what is actually occurring, albeit without the intent to do so).

I could just as easily say you do not intend to create a society of spineless pushovers who falter at any challenge, but are contributing towards that end. I don't believe that to be true, though. For real--you should avoid over-extrapolating straw.

 

[akira28]

I hear you brother/sister, but unfortunately the internet world is full of keyboard crusaders with as much spine as jelly. Tough on the keys, but couldn't look me in the eye.

in my experience, the internet is also full of crazy people.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Ok, it was her friend. Still, as others have said, a simple 'stop' would be more professional.

The guy destroyed any professionalism on his third post. I think he's the issue here.

 

[BobbyRobby]

This is kind of a critical juncture in the Video Games industry when it comes to gender relations. Jaffe could have been a reasonable voice in all of it and an example to future developers and project managers.

Instead, he decided to question the actions of a sexual harassment victim.

This is exactly why the it's called a struggle for progress. People like Jaffe make it so.

Geeze dude. You know ascribing all this intent to what Jaffe said and putting words in his mouth doesn't exactly make feminists like yourself look good.

You come off across as extremely judgmental, trying desperatley to shame a high profile personality.

You're setting back your own movement and making it more of a struggle.

 

[runnin_blue]

in my experience, the internet is also full of crazy people.

I agree.

 

[PapaJustify]

Instead, he decided to question the actions of a sexual harassment victim.

This is exactly why the it's called a struggle for progress. People like Jaffe make it so.

I basically agree with you. I don't think this whole thing should be turned against her, but neither do I think that the whole discussion should be one-sided white knighting and hobby judging of the internet on the shoulders of a single individual who made an obvious (maybe grave) mistake.

 

[marrec]

Ok, it was her friend. Still, as others have said, a simple 'stop' would be more professional.

More professional than... what?

She was consummate in her professionality in the face of what seemed like a total sexual meltdown on Josh's part. 'Stop' in this instance should not have been required.

 

[JDSN]

Ok, it was her friend. Still, as others have said, a simple 'stop' would be more professional.

Yes, she is the one who should have been more professional. And yes, her friend posted it in a message board with the full name of the guy and contact info.

 

[Nymphae]

I agree.

It's funny how everyone thinks everyone else is crazy on the internet lol.

Reminds me of that George Carlin bit about drivers: Everyone who is driving slower than you is A FUCKING ASSHOLE, and everyone driving faster than you is A FUCKING MANIAC.

Anyway kinda OT, sorry.

 

[Riggs]

It's funny how everyone thinks everyone else is crazy on the internet lol.

Reminds me of that George Carlin bit about drivers: Everyone who is driving slower than you is A FUCKING ASSHOLE, and everyone driving faster than you is A FUCKING MANIAC.

Anyway kinda OT, sorry.

Perfect analogy actually, lol.

 

[runnin_blue]

It's funny how everyone thinks everyone else is crazy on the internet lol.

Reminds me of that George Carlin bit about drivers: Everyone who is driving slower than you is A FUCKING ASSHOLE, and everyone driving faster than you is A FUCKING MANIAC.

Anyway kinda OT, sorry.

It's the vicious circle lol.

"You don't agree with what I'm sayin? You're an arsehole! And you're crazy."

The internet.

 

[Jintor]

I could just as easily say you do not intend to create a society of spineless pushovers who falter at any challenge, but are contributing towards that end. I don't believe that to be true, though. For real--you should avoid over-extrapolating straw.

Let me rephrase my objection then. I feel like comments like that place overt scrutiny on the victims behaviors above and beyond that which is appropriate. In aggregate, such comments create a perceived hostile attitude towards the victim which can discourage reporting of offences as well as discourse.

/edit changed some wording

 

[marrec]

I basically agree with you. I don't think this whole thing should be turned against her, but neither do I think that the whole discussion should be one-sided white knighting and hobby judging of the internet on the shoulders of single individual who made an obvious (maybe grave) mistake.

It should not be in anyway about her decisions involved in this situation though. We should all now know that Josh is an unprofessional asshole and move on with that knowledge in our dealings with him.

Hopefully we would all deal less with unprofessional assholes. The problem is that now some (very few) people are trying to explain why we should sympathize with said asshole.

Geeze dude. You know ascribing all this intent to what Jaffe said and putting words in his mouth doesn't exactly make feminists like yourself look good.

You come off across as extremely judgmental, trying desperatley to shame a high profile personality.

You're setting back your own movement and making it more of a struggle.

I... don't think you're correct. Jaffe has made this an issue about him as much as it's about Josh.

His response to the situation told us a lot about the measure of his character, which is unfortunate because he's rather influential.

 

[POWERSPHERE]

It's great when fuckheads bury themselves.

 

[Jobbs]

That was some severely toolish behavior, and blaming it on being drunk is a stretch, since he continued on the same rap 6 hours later. Blaming a dead brother (which is sad, if true) is also a real stretch. I'm inclined to think this is just how this cat operates, and he got caught.

Which brings up an interesting question -- Would I want to deal with this website again in the future (as an indie dev) considering my own personal distaste for his personality? I actually don't know the answer. The guy from this website who reported on my game back in August wasn't the same guy who did this. So, yeah, not sure. It's a good question.

 

[Noray]

It's the vicious circle lol.

"You don't agree with what I'm sayin? You're an arsehole! And you're crazy."

The internet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

You should think about how this applies to you. If you go into a debate with the mindset of "No one can sway my opinions!" you'll be ignorant forever.

The woman was the victim of sexual harrassment. What she should/could have done is irrelevant. She never should have been put in that position to begin with by that guy. Questioning her actions is taking away from that very simple fact and perpetuates this kind of behavior. He was in the wrong, simple as. Calling it out is necessary, because this (and worse) happens way more often without being called out. People have to know it's absolutely inappropriate.

 

[AdventureRacing]

Geeze dude. You know ascribing all this intent to what Jaffe said and putting words in his mouth doesn't exactly make feminists like yourself look good.

The intent of his comments don't matter, the content of them do. The fact that he is dissecting her response at all is a big part of the problem. She didn't choose to be put into this shitty lose/lose situation, the fact that she didn't responded perfectly (who decides that anyway?) is completely irrelevant. The fact that he got so aggressive trying to play devils advocate makes it worse.

Basically comments like his stop people from talking up and defend themselves. It's bad enough to have to try and deflect advances like this without it coming back to bite your personal or business life, you then have to worry about how people will dissect your response afterwards. That's one of many reasons why she couldn't speak up and just say fuck off which is funny because that's exactly what Jaffe is bringing into question.

 

[PapaJustify]

It should not be in anyway about her decisions involved in this situation though. We should all now know that Josh is an unprofessional asshole and move on with that knowledge in our dealings with him.

Hopefully we would all deal less with unprofessional assholes. The problem is that now some (very few) people are trying to explain why we should sympathize with said asshole.

Yeah every single one of us is moving on agreeing that this dude is "an uprofessional asshole". That is easy because every one fails to see beyond him or her being just a simple individual sitting on a computer. We oftentimes fail to see the scope and gravity of our actions when they aggravate in the collective that we call internet.
And I don't think that anybody wants you to sympathize with Josh, but I think it would help the internet a lot if we would at least question our own actions a bit more, because then we would probably realize in shame that we are in a different way just as bad as guys like Josh.

 

[runnin_blue]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect

You should think about how this applies to you. If you go into a debate with the mindset of "No one can sway my opinions!" you'll be ignorant forever.

The woman was the victim of sexual harrassment. What she should/could have done is irrelevant. She never should have been put in that position to begin with by that guy. Questioning her actions is taking away from that very simple fact and perpetuates this kind of behavior. He was in the wrong, simple as. Calling it out is necessary, because this (and worse) happens way more often without being called out. People have to know it's absolutely inappropriate.

I have thought about how this applies to me and I stand by my opinion. So now what?

 

[NTIETS13A_Superiority]

It should not be in anyway about her decisions involved in this situation though. We should all now know that Josh is an unprofessional asshole and move on with that knowledge in our dealings with him.

Hopefully we would all deal less with unprofessional assholes. The problem is that now some (very few) people are trying to explain why we should sympathize with said asshole.



I... don't think you're correct. Jaffe has made this an issue about him as much as it's about Josh.

His response to the situation told us a lot about the measure of his character, which is unfortunate because he's rather influential.

Had to add this. Why are you grasping on two persons opinion that people have right to dignity. Do you think dealing with uncivilized matter in civilized way is wrong or something. I do not care what happens to the guy, but you are clearly against this opinion.
And Jaffe would like if people said no when shit like this happens. I do not see anything wrong in wanting that kind of world. People can want all they can, but unfortunately world is a one big pile of poo. I think in fierce battle against wrong some people have lost some perspective.

Edit: I have no respect for people blaming on being drunk. Guy is such a loser.

 

[BobbyRobby]

It should not be in anyway about her decisions involved in this situation though. We should all now know that Josh is an unprofessional asshole and move on with that knowledge in our dealings with him.

Hopefully we would all deal less with unprofessional assholes. The problem is that now some (very few) people are trying to explain why we should sympathize with said asshole.



I... don't think you're correct. Jaffe has made this an issue about him as much as it's about Josh.

His response to the situation told us a lot about the measure of his character, which is unfortunate because he's rather influential.

The way you're conducting yourself tells a lot about your character as well. Its sanctimonious.

You're free to keep shaming Jaffe, accuse him of victim blaming, etc. Just don't be surprised by all the backlash that feminism gets.

 

[ittoryu]

I have thought about how this applies to me and I stand by my opinion. So now what?

Dude, this is not GAF vs you.
No one here wants to change what do you think, but I really find hard to understand your persistence with this "so now what?".

OK we got it, you stand by your opinions; can we move on and get back to the thread now?

 

[JDSN]

That was some severely toolish behavior, and blaming it on being drunk is a stretch, since he continued on the same rap 6 hours later. Blaming a dead brother (which is sad, if true) is also a real stretch. I'm inclined to think this is just how this cat operates, and he got caught.

Which brings up an interesting question -- Would I want to deal with this website again in the future (as an indie dev) considering my own personal distaste for his personality? I actually don't know the answer. The guy from this website who reported on my game back in August wasn't the same guy who did this. So, yeah, not sure. It's a good question.

I think one of the editors said that the other founder will take care of ownership of the site and the guy will be asked to step down. I wouldnt worry if I were you.

 

[Mental Atrophy]

I have thought about how this applies to me and I stand by my opinion. So now what?

Party gains 220 EXP.
*trumpet fanfare*
runnin_blue achieves Lv 2!
Wisdom increased by 2!
The enemy drops 18 GP.

 

[runnin_blue]

Dude, this is not GAF vs you.
No one here wants to change what do you think, but I really find hard to understand your persistence with this "so now what?".

OK we got it, you stand by your opinions; can we move on and get back to the thread now?

Why don't you tell the other people that instead of me then?

I stated my opinion and I am getting flamed. Blame the flamers or don't.

Give a f...

Party gains 220 EXP.
*trumpet fanfare*
runnin_blue achieves Lv 2!
Wisdom increased by 2!
The enemy drops 18 GP.

So you win the nerd trophy. What's your point?

Posts like this are pointless imo.

 

[AdventureRacing]

And I don't think that anybody wants you to sympathize with Josh, but I think it would help the internet a lot if we would at least question our own actions a bit more, because then we would probably realize in shame that we are in a different way just as bad as guys like Josh.

How is that even remotely true? He was harassing someone who in no way asked for that sort of treatment. He is being called out for his actions which were clearly in the wrong. How are the 2 things remotely comparable?

And Jaffe would like if people said no when shit like this happens. I do not see nothing wrong in wanting that kind of world. People can want all they can, but unfortunately world is a one big pile of poo. I think in fierce battle against wrong some people have lost some perspective.

Because Jaffe is in a position of privilege and doesn't understand that simply saying 'stop' or 'fuck off' can actually be extremely difficult and could have negative repercussions. First of all there is the whole how he would react to her being so straight up. We're talking about someone who is as brazen as to just come out and ask to lick her pussy when it's completely uncalled for. If he's willing to do that what else is he willing to say or do?

Then there is the fact that she is in an industry where the odds are already stacked against her as a woman. This is a person who could potentially impact her future in the business, her response here could affect that. Telling the guy to back off could have negative implications for her.

She took the route (that many people would) to try and be as neutral as she could and not make anything of it. Just endure the awkward conversation and come out of it unscathed.

The world isn't some perfect utopia where everyone is the same or in the same position and can react the same way. Basing any argument on such a situation is a complete waste of time and ignores the real problems people face in the real world.

 

[marrec]

Yeah every single one of us is moving on agreeing that this dude is "an uprofessional asshole". That is easy because every one fails to see beyond him or her being just a simple individual sitting on a computer. We oftentimes fail to see the scope and gravity of our actions when they aggravate in the collective that we call internet.
And I don't think that anybody wants you to sympathize with Josh, but I think it would help the internet a lot if we would at least question our own actions a bit more, because then we would probably realize in shame that we are in a different way just as bad as guys like Josh.

We all know he's a dude sitting at a computer, this isn't a teachable "To Kill a Mockingbird" moment. The guy fucked up and it's better that we know just how spectacularly he did so that we can avoid dealing with the guy in anyway.

I do understand what you're saying and I do try to, as Michael Jackson said, start with the man in the mirror, but in this instance I don't think such self reflection is justified. Josh is unprofessional and disgusting to boot.

Had to add this. Why are you grasping on two persons opinion that people have right to dignity. Do you think dealing with uncivilized matter in civilized way is wrong or something. I do not care what happens to the guy, but you are clearly against this opinion.
And Jaffe would like if people said no when shit like this happens. I do not see nothing wrong in wanting that kind of world. People can want all they can, but unfortunately world is a one big pile of poo. I think in fierce battle against wrong some people have lost some perspective.

Edit: I have no respect for people blaming on being drunk. Guy is such a loser.

There's nothing more civilized than the public airing of disgusting behavior.

It's as old as civilization itself!

The way you're conducting yourself tells a lot about your character as well. Its sanctimonious.

You're free to keep shaming Jaffe, accuse him of victim blaming, etc. Just don't be surprised by all the backlash that feminism gets.

Kay, I'll wait for all that EXTRA backlash that Feminism isn't already getting in Video Games culture.

Yep, cause it's not getting any right now, everyone is on the same page. Yep.

Why don't you tell the other people that instead of me then?

I stated my opinion and I am getting flamed. Blame the flamers or don't.

Give a f...

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Also, are you from the 90s?

 

[Fine Ham Abounds]

Missed this thread. Good lord, that's some creepy desperation right there. Even if I was already sleeping with the woman I wouldn't talk to her like that. Did she accept his apology? I'm coming in late here.

I'm also confused why people are saying she didn't say anything. She asked if he was tipsy. I interpreted that as a pretty clear polite way of saying "why the fuck are you continuing to say the same shit even though I didn't acknowledge it the first time and it's not like it's getting funnier"

 

[NTIETS13A_Superiority]

I think one of the editors said that the other founder will take care of ownership of the site and the guy will be asked to step down. I wouldnt worry if I were you.

Stepping down and trying to deal with his problem could be good direction for him. Maybe he learns how to be less of an asshat.
It is not easy to cope with life and depression at the same time. hopefully he is poked just enough so that he learns his lesson.

There's nothing more civilized than the public airing of disgusting behavior.

It's as old as civilization itself!

there is a reason it is not form of punishment in legal system, altough some people would want it to be(talking about Finland here).

Because Jaffe is in a position... ...real problems people face in the real world.

I never wote it was realistic to want that or not from position of privliage. Just that wanting that is not in and of itself a bad thing.

 

[ittoryu]

Why don't you tell the other people that instead of me then?

I stated my opinion and I am getting flamed. Blame the flamers or don't.

Give a f...

Dude, it's a forum: people will always quote you because we quote each other.

Anyway keep writing that you stand by you comments for other 350 times then.
It will surely be useful for the discussion and a great read.

Anyway, back on the thread: horrible thing to do followed by an even more terrible apology.

 

[NoirVisage]

It's not just in fiction that people enjoy blunt sexual advances. It happens all the time in real life.

It does, but give it up dude, the narrative is hard coded, there can be no discussion just a circle of good folks patting each other on the back for being the absolute right and chastising every single other person talking about anything more than the cut and dry harassment.

What should be done about him? What should happen due to his actions?

Topics like this leave me with a very...confused feeling. One that doesn't make me altogether comfortable.

I'm...trying to find what should be done. Should he be shamed, ridiculed and derided forever? Will people make sure that this is something that sticks to him and follows him to his grave? Should it stop him from ever getting another place in the industry? Should any attempts to make himself better be thrown to the side because of the things he has done? Do we want him to come out of this and see his problems and fix them? Or do we not care about him in any way? Is that the way we make this world and the people in it better? By tossing those who have done awful things to the side and let them rot and fester?

I dunno. This gets real heavy for me sometimes as I never know the right way to handle the people at fault. I just don't think treating them like human garbage is going to teach them anything, help them see their mistakes and make honest amends for them or better themselves as people. Will this make them stop others when they see the same thing repeat itself? Will they teach their kids these new values that they learned from making this mistake and thus enrich the world later by raising children who will not make the same awful mistakes he made? Or is it going to make things worse, is he going to get defensive and internalize all his hate so that he treats people worse and drags the people around him down as well? Will he raise his children and tell them to watch out for "social warriors" and take them down the same path he took but make it more insidious and ingrained in them? I don't know.

This is some real hard shit. I don't think people are binary 1-0, on or off on whether or not they're a good or bad person. I think good people can do some shitty stuff sometimes by mistake or ignorance. I think bad people can have some fleeting moments of altruism or niceness even if by accident. And I don't think an example of either is enough to determine who someone is as a person. We're more complicated than that. We're people, at the end of the day.

I try to stay out of topics like this. I feel it's not really my place as it is not something I'm either familiar with (not being a woman or someone who has been harassed) and not being a subject I have studied extensively. I defer to those with more relevant or educated opinions on the matter and still keep abreast of these threads and read the posts so I can be aware of the situation and people's arguments during it.

I just see so much vitriol it's hard for me to think that's a way that is ever going to end all these hateful acts that people do. I don't think throwing hate at hate resolves anything or makes the world overall better.

Sorry for rambling a bit.

I like posts like these, Gaf is a better place for having these now and then.

 

[Celegus]

You'd think that was a 12 year old talking to a girl on the internet for the first time, certainly not a "professional" journalist. That was painful to even read through, I'd hate to be on the receiving end of that.

 

[runnin_blue]

Dude, it's a forum: people will always quote you because we quote each other.

Anyway keep writing that you stand by you comments for other 350 times then.
It will surely be useful for the discussion and a great read.

Anyway, back on the thread: horrible thing to do followed by an even more terrible apology.

Yes, I will keep responding to flamers. Why do you contradict yourself?

Anyway, back on the thread: horrible thing to do followed by an even more terrible apology.

Like this hasn't been mentioned 350 times...

 

[spekkeh]

From wikipedia : Sexual harassment is bullying or coercion of a sexual nature, or the unwelcome or inappropriate promise of rewards in exchange for sexual favors.[1] In most modern legal contexts, sexual harassment is illegal. As defined by the US EEOC, "It is unlawful to harass a person (an applicant or employee) because of that person’s sex." Harassment can include "sexual harassment" or unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical harassment of a sexual nature.

It was sexual harassment.

Not from the US; the EEOC is about workplaces? If unwanted sexual advances is illegal harassment, you'd better start closing down all clubs and bars.

 

[NoirVisage]

Not from the US; the EEOC is about workplaces? If unwanted sexual advances is illegal harassment, you'd better start closing down all clubs and bars.

By Jove!

 

[Jintor]

Are we arguing legality? I was under the impression we were not.

 

[ittoryu]

Yes, I will keep responding to flamers. Why do you contradict yourself?

Because you completely missed my point: all I am trying to say is that your attitude of "so what now?" is not going anywhere. What would like people to answer to that?

Anyway, we are not gonna get out of this, so yeah no problem.

 

[freenudemacusers]

It does, but give it up dude, the narrative is hard coded, there can be no discussion just a circle of good folks patting each other on the back for being the absolute right and chastising every single other person talking about anything more than the cut and dry harassment.

I don't get why this keeps being brought up. sure, when I'm plowing a chick she might like some dirty talk, but I'm not going to dirty talk with someone -I- initiate a professional conversation. context breh.

and how is this thread almost 30 pages. jesus.

 

[spekkeh]

Are we arguing legality? I was under the impression we were not.

Well I said that in my opinion unwanted sexual advances only becomes harassment when it gets threatening, and others replied with legal definitions.

 

[Nymphae]

What should be done about him? What should happen due to his actions?

Topics like this leave me with a very...confused feeling. One that doesn't make me altogether comfortable.

I'm...trying to find what should be done. Should he be shamed, ridiculed and derided forever? Will people make sure that this is something that sticks to him and follows him to his grave? Should it stop him from ever getting another place in the industry? Should any attempts to make himself better be thrown to the side because of the things he has done? Do we want him to come out of this and see his problems and fix them? Or do we not care about him in any way? Is that the way we make this world and the people in it better? By tossing those who have done awful things to the side and let them rot and fester?

I dunno. This gets real heavy for me sometimes as I never know the right way to handle the people at fault. I just don't think treating them like human garbage is going to teach them anything, help them see their mistakes and make honest amends for them or better themselves as people. Will this make them stop others when they see the same thing repeat itself? Will they teach their kids these new values that they learned from making this mistake and thus enrich the world later by raising children who will not make the same awful mistakes he made? Or is it going to make things worse, is he going to get defensive and internalize all his hate so that he treats people worse and drags the people around him down as well? Will he raise his children and tell them to watch out for "social warriors" and take them down the same path he took but make it more insidious and ingrained in them? I don't know.

This is some real hard shit. I don't think people are binary 1-0, on or off on whether or not they're a good or bad person. I think good people can do some shitty stuff sometimes by mistake or ignorance. I think bad people can have some fleeting moments of altruism or niceness even if by accident. And I don't think an example of either is enough to determine who someone is as a person. We're more complicated than that. We're people, at the end of the day.

I try to stay out of topics like this. I feel it's not really my place as it is not something I'm either familiar with (not being a woman or someone who has been harassed) and not being a subject I have studied extensively. I defer to those with more relevant or educated opinions on the matter and still keep abreast of these threads and read the posts so I can be aware of the situation and people's arguments during it.

I just see so much vitriol it's hard for me to think that's a way that is ever going to end all these hateful acts that people do. I don't think throwing hate at hate resolves anything or makes the world overall better.

Sorry for rambling a bit.

Great post. Personally, I think hate for the guy might be a bit too much, but certainly he should have this thrown in his face, that is how you learn. You fucked up, now enjoy the consequences.

I am guessing this event will curb any further behaviour like this from the dude (who has apparently been known to engage in such conduct before). I don't see anything that out of line other than his behaviour.

 

[SmokyDave]

It does, but give it up dude, the narrative is hard coded, there can be no discussion just a circle of good folks patting each other on the back for being the absolute right and chastising every single other person talking about anything more than the cut and dry harassment.

Or, it's quite clear to anyone that has ever spoken to a woman that the person in the OP was not enjoying 'blunt sexual advances', so it's totally irrelevant that someone else somewhere else might.

I don't get why this keeps being brought up. sure, when I'm plowing a chick she might like some dirty talk, but I'm not going to dirty talk with someone -I- initiate a professional conversation. context breh.

and how is this thread almost 30 pages. jesus.

I preferred the 'spanking a chick in the office' analogy.

 

[AdventureRacing]

It does, but give it up dude, the narrative is hard coded, there can be no discussion just a circle of good folks patting each other on the back for being the absolute right and chastising every single other person talking about anything more than the cut and dry harassment.

There are situations where blunt sexual advances are warranted, this wasn't one of them. This wasn't just a one off either, he keeps on going to the point where he responds hours later with the same bullshit. Once she had deflected him multiple times and kept trying to bring it back to simple business discussions that's when it becomes harassment to me.

Not from the US; the EEOC is about workplaces? If unwanted sexual advances is illegal harassment, you'd better start closing down all clubs and bars.

By Jove!

This wasn't 2 random people meeting in a bar or club looking for a hookup.

 

[runnin_blue]

Because you completely missed my point: all I am trying to say is that your attitude of "so what now?" is not going anywhere. What would like people to answer to that?

Anyway, we are not gonna get out of this, so yeah no problem.

They can stop trying to argue with me for starters.

DO NOT try to pass me off as a shit stirrer and then move on.

I've done nothing wrong.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Or, it's quite clear to anyone that has ever spoken to a woman that the person in the OP was not enjoying 'blunt sexual advances', so it's totally irrelevant that someone else somewhere else might.

why does this even need to be explained lmao.

oh jaffe showed up. explains it I guess.

I preferred the 'spanking a chick in the office' analogy.

slaps are too vague I guess.

 

[NoirVisage]

I don't get why this keeps being brought up. sure, when I'm plowing a chick she might like some dirty talk, but I'm not going to dirty talk with someone -I- initiate a professional conversation. context breh.

and how is this thread almost 30 pages. jesus.

I don't think you're replying to what you think you're replying to, but yeah, its a long one,
anything that brings out the knights and the NOMAAM crowd is an easy 40pager.

Or, it's quite clear to anyone that has ever spoken to a woman that the person in the OP was not enjoying 'blunt sexual advances', so it's totally irrelevant that someone else somewhere else might.

why are you quoting me, you clearly have no idea what i'm prattling on about.

 

[marrec]

Moved to the next page.

 

[ittoryu]

They can stop trying to argue with me for starters.

DO NOT try to pass me off as a shit stirrer and then move on.

I've done nothing wrong.

....ok, I wasn't trying to do that but I can see that you are in a mood of giving sweet answers to everyone, so I'll just move on.