its a point of discussion that few people seem to really want to admit or engage, and its not simply black and white, and ties in with what Jaffe was saying, rather than actual discuss it, its been this threads MO to vilify anyone who would mention it by calling them out of touch or losers when it comes to women, when in reality, some of them may be the most in touch with what this ugly world has become, some of you have a real innocent ideal of certain things.
I didn't know that to be the case, I guess i missed that part.