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People can pirate BotW on PC for free and Switch is about to outsell the PS2, so yes.

You didn't answer my question btw.

Lmao. Switch would not have sold anywhere close to 150m if Nintendo games were multiplatform a year after.

The people who care about Naughty Dog and best graphics aren't enough to carry a platform. Most would be fine with that scenario because they care about the gameplay not being cutting edge. If they did, why would they accept an inferior PS6 game over a superior PC version?

 

[FMX]

If Sony was smart they get in on that Gamepass money. They got plenty of games just sitting around. Days Gone, Spiderman 1 and 2, God Of War, Horizon. They may not want to do Spiderman because Marvel gets 50% of the top if rumors are true. Screw pride they need get some easy money and use it for game development.

 

[Killjoy-NL]

Cool, Xbox will finally have great games.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

When are some of you going to figure out that these companies only care about one thing and that's making money.

Sony and Microsoft aren't worried about some console war like people are here, that time has long passed. Neither is going anywhere unless they want to bow out.

Just like Xbox; they'll test the market by dropping a live service title. Once it sells well the floodgates will open. Like Xbox did after SOT and grounded sold gabgbusters on PS5.

 

[Hudo]

What I want: Bloodborne on PC
What I'll get: The Last of Us on Xbox

 

[Baemono]

I mean....It was right there in the job listing.....why are some people still in denial?

The only question is: how much time will it take for Sony to realize this was a retarded decision? And when they finally realize it… will it be too late to course-correct from a network/pipeline point of view?

When they'll see Helldivers 2's sales on Xbox, they'll be like

 

[vaibhavpisal]

it's sorta funny that Sony is wasting its time with xbox ports given the next xbox will likely be a pc hybird/have Steam, meaning it can already play the PC port version

this is why games being ported to PC are basically already being ported to xbox. most people think the next xbox is a hybrid console anyways

I have no idea what Sony is doing

Am thinking they are simply drumming up some interest from xbox crowd.

PS games playable on xbox should be something special and Sony should get something out of putting them there.

Eventually they will likely do pc ports and they will come to xbox automatically.

Also hopefully xbox is actually going ahead with a pc console hybrid thats powerful enough to play everything at high settings/framerates. There is some confusion regarding that.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Thinking of you RetroGamingUK - Everything is going to be ok, brother.

 

[DenchDeckard]

When they'll see Helldivers 2's sales on Xbox, they'll be like

You wish, haha. It will sell a couple of million EASILY

Yeah, this decision is truly puzzling. What Sony has to be trying is to snatch those 15 to 20 million Xbox users to PlayStation and they should be investing billions on making the PS Store as good if not better than steam.

Wait until Sony games go onto Gamepass.

 

[SmurfMustard]

It will make more sense pretty soon

Are we talking Gamescom soon? Pitch the beans, pretty please.

 

[Cakeboxer]

If they really bring those bigger single-player titles to Xbox, then in my opinion it won't be for a few bucks, but rather to lure as many of the ~30 million Xbox owners as possible over to PlayStation for the next gen. However, it will probably also depend on what Xbox is planning for the next generation. If Sony finds out that Xbox is going for a traditional console again, I can't imagine Sony going through with it.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

When they'll see Helldivers 2's sales on Xbox, they'll be like

I dont think Sony cares how well it sells. As long as it's dirt cheap to port it over, do it.

A lot of their PC ports have sold lousy on Steam. Yet they keep porting even stuff like Sackboy. Some sell great, some dont. The biggest selling PC port isnt even any of their big SP games, but instead Helldivers 2. A game reminiscent of Starship Troopers. I think it's sold more copies than all other ports combined.

 

[Shockwave_Fox]

Haha this is hilarious, I really feel I got my Pc at the perfect time!

I do wish Sony would do some kind Ps Pc app where all my essentials games could be added to play on pc so I don't have to rebuy a load of them

 

[Roberts]

You wish, haha. It will sell a couple of million EASILY

I wouldn't be surprised if they looked at pre-order numbers for Helldivers 2 on xbox and were like:"hmm, what else do we have that green rats will eat up?"

 

[RavenSan]

I can't help but crack up at all the people who are claiming this is a 'mistake' and Sony is going to regret it -- like, do you not think Sony has done the market research into, with full visibility into their numbers and sales, etc -- and made an informed decision about it?

Nope, but some random fanboy GAF'ers who really love their specific plastic box will see what ridiculously high paid executives, market researchers, and everyone else involved in this multi-billion dollar business wing somehow missed.

I've been pounding this drum since MS bought Activision -- the time of exclusives is largely over for Sony/MS. Writing's been on the wall for what seems like forever. It's now time to compete on features and services to win market share.

 

[Ar¢tos]

Concord is perfect for gamepass and they already spent money developing it, so they can only gain from putting it on Xbox!

I can't help but crack up at all the people who are claiming this is a 'mistake' and Sony is going to regret it -- like, do you not think Sony has done the market research into, with full visibility into their numbers and sales, etc -- and made an informed decision about it?

Nope, but some random fanboy GAF'ers who really love their specific plastic box will see what ridiculously high paid executives, market researchers, and everyone else involved in this multi-billion dollar business wing.

I've been pounding this drum since MS bought Activision -- the time of exclusives is largely over for Sony/MS. Writing's been on the wall for what seems like forever. It's now time to compete on features and services to win market share.

I think it's more a case of max potential sales not being worth the porting+publishing costs.
The number of Xboxes is not great and it won't grow much more and any specific game will only appeal to a % of those, and % of those it appeals to have multiple gaming devices, reducing even more the potential sales on Xbox.

Obviously they have to put out a couple of games to test the waters first.

 

[crackajack]

Port concord you cowards

in exchange for Redfall ! poison each other, lol

Seriously, I think erasing Concord entirely was a weird move. It might have not been great and reception/sales was obviously not "great" either, but just throwing it in the bin when it was done while technically not utter shite ... I'd rather have them just kill future plans, if redesigning anything was out of the question, but could have just left it out there and find a couple of people that like it.

 

[Embearded]

it's sorta funny that Sony is wasting its time with xbox ports given the next xbox will likely be a pc hybird/have Steam, meaning it can already play the PC port version

this is why games being ported to PC are basically already being ported to xbox. most people think the next xbox is a hybrid console anyways

I have no idea what Sony is doing

There are times i think they dont know what they are doing too.

 

[GrayChild]

CTRL+F "Ass of Can Whooping".

Ass of Can Whooping GET ITT BOI!

 

[ElFenomeno]

I want Sony to port some single player games to Xbox just to see the meltdowns.

 

[Mr Moose]

 

[Tiago Rodrigues]

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I can't imagine it'll be anything beyond live service games like we are seeing with Helldivers 2 and Marathon. Sony seems content with licensing unused IP (Patapon/Everybody's Golf) to publishers, otherwise.

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can't imagine it'll be anything beyond live service games like we are seeing with Helldivers 2 and Marathon. Sony seems content with licensing unused IP (Patapon/Everybody's Golf) to publishers, otherwise.

As expected. Sony won't devalue its console.

Their goal? Sell as many games without losing the hardware sales. That's something not everyone has...and i could imagine their marvel game to end up on Switch 2 as well btw.

 

[Astray]

Gravity Rush would make a lot of sense. I see Sony dumping that on Bandai Namco though.

That game has movie potential so they would probably publish it themselves.

Notice how most of the Bamco stuff doesn't really lend itself to film adaptations or a multimedia ambitions.

 

[Dalbajobas]

A 30% cut from all these MS games.

Nobody thought GOW, LOU, UC and Spidey games would come to PC either. But they all did (even the sequels).

Helldivers and Horizon are not small games. The are way bigger than Starfield.

MS are getting away with murder on sony's digital store.

 

[Kilau]

You wish, haha. It will sell a couple of million EASILY



Wait until Sony games go onto Gamepass.

We had that with MLB. I played it each year it was on Game pass. Then when it wasn't, I didn't buy it.

 

[DenchDeckard]

We had that with MLB. I played it each year it was on Game pass. Then when it wasn't, I didn't buy it.

Do you feel the games aren't worth buying? Too similar each year?

 

[Kilau]

Do you feel the games aren't worth buying? Too similar each year?

That's certainly an issue for all sports games in my view. I just generally only play the game pass catalog, which is fine for me because the selection is amazing.

 

[coffinbirth]

Makes more sense if next gen Xbox really is a console like @HeisenbergFX4 and @KeplerL2 have been saying though, don't it?

Microsoft have said it as well.

They have also partnered with AMD and OEM vendors to put that "Magnus" APU(or maybe it's a different APU line entirely, unsure) and it's variants in any Windows device that will have it going forward. I think this is where this confusion stems from. People are conflating Microsoft's moves with the Xbox app and the OEM devices and their actual home console.

Microsoft cannot legally just "allow" Xbox games, (as in previously purchased Xbox/360/XBO for explicit use on Xbox consoles) to run on Windows pc's. They have to have that piece of hardware. It also, quite importantly, removes the need for any additional emulation/translation layers, so the games themselves should be quite performant, but that strays from the point.


There is no next gen Xbox singular, it will be the Microsoft produced home console, and then OEM... home consoles, gaming pc's, laptops, handhelds, etc. This is achieved via the XBOX x AMD partnership.

I think the big, ACTUAL question is whether or not you will be able to access your pc game library from the home console.
Considering there are no obvious binding legal ramifications there unlike with the inverse (Xbox console games running "natively" on pc) and there being LOTS of rumors regarding this supposed feature, I'd say it (the next gen Xbox home console) will give you access to your PC library, simply because it would be such a banger selling point, and quite frankly Xbox needs those more than anything.

 

[JohnnyFootball]

MS are getting away with murder on sony's digital store.

I know. Sony must really be upset at the 30% cut they get from selling MS published games.

 

[Topher]

Microsoft have said it as well.

They have also partnered with AMD and OEM vendors to put that "Magnus" APU(or maybe it's a different APU line entirely, unsure) and it's variants in any Windows device that will have it going forward. I think this is where this confusion stems from. People are conflating Microsoft's moves with the Xbox app and the OEM devices and their actual home console.

Microsoft cannot legally just "allow" Xbox games, (as in previously purchased Xbox/360/XBO for explicit use on Xbox consoles) to run on Windows pc's. They have to have that piece of hardware. It also, quite importantly, removes the need for any additional emulation/translation layers, so the games themselves should be quite performant, but that strays from the point.


There is no next gen Xbox singular, it will be the Microsoft produced home console, and then OEM... home consoles, gaming pc's, laptops, handhelds, etc. This is achieved via the XBOX x AMD partnership.

I think the big, ACTUAL question is whether or not you will be able to access your pc game library from the home console.
Considering there are no obvious binding legal ramifications there unlike with the inverse (Xbox console games running "natively" on pc) and there being LOTS of rumors regarding this supposed feature, I'd say it (the next gen Xbox home console) will give you access to your PC library, simply because it would be such a banger selling point, and quite frankly Xbox needs those more than anything.

I don't think AMD and Microsoft detailed anything about their partnership other than it will be across multiple devices. At least, that is all Sarah Bond said in her announcement.

 

[coffinbirth]

I don't think AMD and Microsoft detailed anything about their partnership other than it will be across multiple devices. At least, that is all Sarah Bond said in her announcement.

AMD’s partnership with Xbox will extend beyond consoles.

“Moving forward, AMD will go beyond building custom chips for Xbox consoles to designing a full roadmap of gaming-optimized chips, combining the power of Ryzen and Radeon for consoles, handhelds, PCs and the cloud.” AMD CEO Lisa Su says in a video posted on Thursday. Su adds that AMD is “doing...

www.theverge.com

 

[Topher]

AMD’s partnership with Xbox will extend beyond consoles.

“Moving forward, AMD will go beyond building custom chips for Xbox consoles to designing a full roadmap of gaming-optimized chips, combining the power of Ryzen and Radeon for consoles, handhelds, PCs and the cloud.” AMD CEO Lisa Su says in a video posted on Thursday. Su adds that AMD is “doing...

www.theverge.com

That's pretty much what Bond said as well. Not a lot of details there.

 

[coffinbirth]

That's pretty much what Bond said as well. Not a lot of details there.

 

[Fess]

Haha this is hilarious, I really feel I got my Pc at the perfect time!

I do wish Sony would do some kind Ps Pc app where all my essentials games could be added to play on pc so I don't have to rebuy a load of them

Playstation Play Anywhere. Yeah that would be great!
And they shouldn't be far off, they sync everything through the PSN login now, I see trophies earned in the Playstation App and I haven't played anything on PS5 this year.

 

[Topher]

 

[Success]

Old Man GAF is shaking in their boots.

Phil Spencer WAS and IS right.

 

[coffinbirth]

But seriously, this seems fairly obvious, no?
Microsoft were so eager to jump into OEM they did so before the chips were even ready yet, lmao.
That's why we have these utterly pointless "stop-gap" products with Xbox logo's and shit on them. They will now have TWO Xbox-branded handhelds on the market that can't actually natively play Xbox console games.

Then there's people saying stuff like this...

Thread 'Now that Lisa Su's video dropped today, I can share what I know about next gen "Xbox" since last June.'

Jun 19, 2025

Xbox "consoles" will be Xbox designed APUs for both handhelds and consoles that can run Xbox BC due to silicon support. The OS itself, which is already mostly Windows, can run Windows games with the right packages / extensions loaded, or runs Xbox title VM in an enlightened hypervisor. I'm not sure which approach it is yet, but the main point is that Xbox One, and series games need to run natively without a translation/emulation layer for legal reasons.

These APUs, along from be used in 1st party HW, will be sold to OEMs, without a profit, for them to use in place of the discontinued AMD...

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[StreetsofBeige]

MS are getting away with murder on sony's digital store.

Going by that silly theory some Sony gamers had years ago when they were pumping PC ports every quarter, MS is planting the seeds!

Put games on other platforms and then watch as shitloads of those gamers drop their hardware and buy an Xbox for the sequels!

And then when MS also gets around to releasing the sequels on competing hardware....... oh wait that doesnt make sense now. So much for that theory. Maybe if MS releases sequel after sequel, that gamer will eventually migrate over to Xbox after Forza Horizon 7 in the year 2032.

 

[Dr. Samuel Hayden]

Just four live service

 

[Dalbajobas]

I know. Sony must really be upset at the 30% cut they get from selling MS published games.

It must have surprised them how much sonies loves MS games.

 

[Dalbajobas]

Going by that silly theory some Sony gamers had years ago when they were pumping PC ports every quarter, MS is planting the seeds!

Put games on other platforms and then watch as shitloads of those gamers drop their hardware and buy an Xbox for the sequels!

And then when MS also gets around to releasing the sequels on competing hardware....... oh wait that doesnt make sense now. So much for that theory. Maybe if MS releases sequel after sequel, that gamer will eventually migrate over to Xbox after Forza Horizon 7 in the year 2032.

I'm just super confused that's all. Nearly every member here screams MS has the worst games to then just turn around and buy all of those games they claim to despise en masse on their favorite store.

 

[Topher]

But seriously, this seems fairly obvious, no?
Microsoft were so eager to jump into OEM they did so before the chips were even ready yet, lmao.
That's why we have these utterly pointless "stop-gap" products with Xbox logo's and shit on them. They will now have TWO Xbox-branded handhelds on the market that can't actually natively play Xbox console games.

Then there's people saying stuff like this...

Thread 'Now that Lisa Su's video dropped today, I can share what I know about next gen "Xbox" since last June.'

Jun 19, 2025

Xbox "consoles" will be Xbox designed APUs for both handhelds and consoles that can run Xbox BC due to silicon support. The OS itself, which is already mostly Windows, can run Windows games with the right packages / extensions loaded, or runs Xbox title VM in an enlightened hypervisor. I'm not sure which approach it is yet, but the main point is that Xbox One, and series games need to run natively without a translation/emulation layer for legal reasons.

These APUs, along from be used in 1st party HW, will be sold to OEMs, without a profit, for them to use in place of the discontinued AMD...

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I don't necessarily disagree with anything you are saying. I just think we can extrapolate all kinds of theories from these exec 2 minute blurbs. What you are saying makes sense

 

[GHG]

I'm just super confused that's all. Nearly every member here screams MS has the worst games to then just turn around and buy all of those games they claim to despise en masse on their favorite store.

Microsoft buys half the major publishers in the industry and you're shocked that people continue to buy those games on platforms those publishers and IP have always been sold on?

Absent of FH5 there's nothing on that list that they didn't buy in recent years.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm just super confused that's all. Nearly every member here screams MS has the worst games to then just turn around and buy all of those games they claim to despise en masse on their favorite store.

MS has a mix of awesome games and clunkers. While Sony's are more consistently well received, but also more similar. On PS, you dont get weird stuff like Grounded or Flight Sim or Pentiment and such. Or giant Bethesda games or Activison/Blizzard which make GAAS heavy games. So for MS you got a giant collection of anything. Some are hits, some stink. Sony's first party games arent heavy into GAAS which are always risky. Their first big splash into GAAS was Concord and look how that turned out, so they traditionally stick to SP formulas.

Sony's SP games are pretty familiar territory where some heavy hitters like GT, GOW and MLB go back to PS1 and PS2 days. Once Sony gets a good game that sells they sequelize and remaster them to death, or put them into a collection (check out how many GoW packs they released on PS3).

It's a tribal thing. If Sony released GT on Xbox I'm sure it'd sell well too. So would GoW etc... Even that trainwreck 1886 movie shooter game would probably sell comparatively ok on Xbox One vs PS4 since the Xbox crowd likes gritty shooters.

 

[BigBeauford]

Just give us Astrobot on PC

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

MS has a mix of awesome games and clunkers. While Sony's are more consistently well received, but also more similar. On PS, you dont get weird stuff like Grounded or Flight Sim or Pentiment and such. Or giant Bethesda games or Activison/Blizzard which make GAAS heavy games. So for MS you got a giant collection of anything. Some are hits, some stink. Sony's first party games arent heavy into GAAS which are always risky. Their first big splash into GAAS was Concord and look how that turned out, so they traditionally stick to SP formulas.

Sony's SP games are pretty familiar territory where some heavy hitters like GT, GOW and MLB go back to PS1 and PS2 days. Once Sony gets a good game that sells they sequelize and remaster them to death, or put them into a collection (check out how many GoW packs they released on PS3).

It's a tribal thing. If Sony released GT on Xbox I'm sure it'd sell well too. So would GoW etc... Even that trainwreck 1886 movie shooter game would probably sell comparatively ok on Xbox One vs PS4 since the Xbox crowd likes gritty shooters.

No wa ysony would ever make SOT and grounded. Love both those games. They focus on blockbusters. Shame.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

No wa ysony would ever make SOT and grounded. Love both those games. They focus on blockbusters. Shame.

If this was the PS1-PS3 gen they made shitloads of games across all budgets, western vs Japanese, serious games vs quirky.

But to be fair, any gamer who likes games that are [big budget / westernized / SP focused], they probably love their output. Even their sporty games GT/MLB are realistic kinds of games.

 

[Xbox 360 slim]

If this was the PS1-PS3 gen they made shitloads of games across all budgets, western vs Japanese, serious games vs quirky.

But to be fair, any gamer who likes games that are [big budget / westernized / SP focused], they probably love their output. Even their sporty games GT/MLB are realistic kinds of games.

I like some of those games too (days gone, spider man, GOT, the show). I might enjoy GOY. Just wish they did stuff like grounded and sot to spice it up.

 

[coffinbirth]

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you are saying. I just think we can extrapolate all kinds of theories from these exec 2 minute blurbs. What you are saying makes sense

Sure, absolutely. Nothing has been officially revealed in terms of hardware yet.
But I don't think it's a theory that next gen Xbox will be a home console AND additional devices that utilize this APU, as that is what both of these announcements are talking about.
The only real theory floating around is aforementioned access to your pc library via the home console.

 

[UltimaKilo]

112th remaster of The Last of Us?