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[EviLore]

EviLore may I ask what image provider you used, to upload those large gif files? Imgur won't let me use the usual BBCode.

I used Imgur.

 

[Putonahappyface]

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[Crayon]

Each to his own, the but the combat/gameplay in TLOU 2 is so intense and high-octane that's almost unprecedented. TLOU 1 gameplay was okay-ish, but nothing extraordinary. I found the combat in TLOU 2 extraordinarily great.

Well s***. Sounds like I missing out on a lot there. Looking forward to playing it.

 

[sainraja]

You call Starfield "a huge achievement." Of course Intergalactic looks like a PS4 game to you.

The Matrix Awakens demo has more gameplay and freedom than Hellblade 2. Pushing all on graphics and no gameplay layers doesn't mean much now does it? Intergalactic is supposed to have an open world like Elden Ring, an you still compare them?

Disengenious and borderline delusional.

It's insecurity (which doesn't make sense) and the fact the game has the wrong logo on it. If it was Xbox anything, they'd be singing a completely different tune. I wish it wasn't so but their pattern is soo obvious now... not worth responding to most of the time. Some of them will change their minds on a game that they use to trash when it hits Xbox (specially if it was a type of game never usually seen on Xbox, but almost identified the PS for a lot of them lol). And boy do they cry the most when the same happens for a game they like, on the box they like.

I said more than I wanted to on this subject already so I am done

 

[mayham2199]

Well s***. Sounds like I missing out on a lot there. Looking forward to playing it.

Just look up some videos of combat for TLOU2. I played mostly stealth but after watching those videos now I want to do full action because it looks insane what people are doing.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Well s***. Sounds like I missing out on a lot there. Looking forward to playing it.

Just look up some videos of combat for TLOU2. I played mostly stealth but after watching those videos now I want to do full action because it looks insane what people are doing.

PSA: One really cool thing about the TLOU 2 and Naughty Dog is the variety of accessibility options they have. So if you want to play like the devs intended the game to be, you can totally do that. But then if you wish you weren't constrained by limited ammo and instead to play the game like John Wick (a full action game like M mayham2199 wants), you can modify the game from the accessibility settings in the menu and make it exactly how you want it to be.

Some of the many options include:

• Difficulty options
• Infinite ammo
• Infinite arrows
• 1-hit melee options
• Infinite melee durability
• One shot kills

You can explore and enjoy the full depth of its gameplay by opting to play how you want to play. It's amazing, and I wish more games (with good combat) offers such a huge variety of gameplay modifiers.

 

[Crayon]

Just look up some videos of combat for TLOU2. I played mostly stealth but after watching those videos now I want to do full action because it looks insane what people are doing.

Oh heck no. I stayed so blind on the first one till I played it just a few weeks ago LOL. I actually took a fat spoiler just reading through these threads. Ouch.

 

[vivftp]

Oh heck no. I stayed so blind on the first one till I played it just a few weeks ago LOL. I actually took a fat spoiler just reading through these threads. Ouch.

Avoid looking up anything on TLOU2 as it's extremely easy to be spoiled. It's worth going in blind and I'm forever grateful that I wasn't spoiled when I played at launch

 

[Crayon]

Avoid looking up anything on TLOU2 as it's extremely easy to be spoiled. It's worth going in blind and I'm forever grateful that I wasn't spoiled when I played at launch

I'm pretty good. I hardly knew anything about the first one and it came out in 1985.

 

[viveks86]

I'm glad EviLore created this thread as it actually drew me back to posting online after years of hiatus. I'd almost stopped wanting to even lurk on gaming forums after TGA and the ensuing rage. Some of us want to come here to unwind and be entertained. Not watch people being awful to each other. After endlessly re-watching the trailer as well as a few other eagle eyed gamers' breakdown videos, here is a consolidation of my observations. Some factual and some speculative:

1. I think her baldness has a narrative connection. Perhaps they started off with the character concept and built the narrative around it. Or vice versa. But there's a clear intent in opening her reveal with her head (and the shaving) being the focus. Given it's from Naughty Dog, they clearly wanted to evoke all the reactions we are seeing online, both positive and negative. It's what they have been doing for a while now. Make you feel... something. So you think about it. Celebrate it. Speculate the "But why?". Defend it or rant about it. Love it or hate it. That's up to you. I wish the discussions were more objective and thought provoking though. But that's kind of where we are as a society it seems. Just 2 polarized factions constantly whining about and name-calling the other. I'm gonna chalk that up as "growing pains" for human consciousness and move on. Personally, not many people can pull off a bald look, but Jordan/Tati is, in my opinion, as close to some of the best looking bald female protagonists out there. She looks straight up hot in some angles with her facial symmetry and contours. To each their own, I guess. And I'm not even drawn to baldness in anyway (still insecure about my own inevitable fate). To consider hair, a bunch of dead cells growing out of our skin, which doesn't even serve much of an evolutionary purpose anymore, as some kind of sacred symbol of one's femininity (or masculinity for that matter) seems to be a society that still refuses to let go of its shallow and heavily restrictive definition of beauty. I'm sure we will eventually stop finding the need to behave so primitively. But not in our lifetimes, unfortunately. For all we know, in a 100000 years, we may all be hairless and bald, like the Observers from a certain cult classic. I wonder what they will have to say about all this fracas. But back on topic, how is there a narrative connection, you ask? There are at least 2 things revealed in the trailer:
   1. She wasn't always shaving her head. As part of the the Five Aces, she is clearly sporting a full head of hair on that photo on the wall. Could that be a wig? We don't know, but that was certainly a different 'look'.
   2. She has some serious scarring on her head. Enough to actually make a lot of hairstyles not work. I count at least 6 scars, with 3 that are significant. A large one on the back, one on top and one right above her left ear. They are significant enough that you need to choose specific hairstyles to conceal it. Perhaps she decided to just go bald, as it is more practical, than deal with the hassle. Perhaps it was her way of healing from the trauma of how the scars happened in the first place. Could the scars be related to why the Five Aces split and vanished? Did she survive a betrayal from one (or all) of the others? Was a... was a space golf club used in said betrayal? I have many questions. I don't believe it is just to conceal her identity. I think most media that takes itself seriously has moved away from the the Clark Kent trope (and even that was quite self aware for its time). Love them or hate them, I think we can all agree that present day Naughty Dog at least takes itself seriously. Perhaps too seriously to its own detriment.
2. I don't believe the product placement is simply Sony trying to get some ad revenue. Not with Naughty Dog's games. That might still be happening in the background, but they are trying to say something more in the narrative. How often have you seen a story driven, non-racing game, trailer, featuring 3 prominent brands that traditionally have nothing to do with the game themes, with the camera zoomed in to focus on them? Not just in the final game, but in the trailer itself? I can't think of any. Either they are trying to portray peak consumerism, or a call back to brands that were massively popular in the 80s as part of the overall aesthetic, or the brands play a bigger role in the universe. I don't think they are portrayed as dystopian megacorps either, given how Porsche is proudly advertising the snapshots from the game on social media. Again, we can all scream 'fuck the corporations' and dogpile on them, while being completely oblivious of the reality of all the branding we are surrounded with and consume everyday. It's hard to ignore the clear intent with which these brands are being focused on in the trailer. The brands that are fictitious in the game are actually far more subtly placed or hard to read (Macho Nacho?). Again, they want you to feel something from seeing these big names front and center. We won't really know why till they show more or talk bout it.
3. Technically, the trailer is near perfect, to the point of raising eyebrows. Like DF pointed out, how the hell is this captured on a PS5? They think it's native 4K and it's running at 60 fps? There is literally one button that shows aliasing in the entire trailer (which DF didn't point out). The mirror could be a planar reflection "trick", but all the other reflections seem per pixel ray traced. The knobs, the red lights reflecting on the knobs, the reflections on the TV screen, the photo on the wall reflecting Jordan, the CDs moving and reflecting on the arm of the CD changer, heck every single surface on the ship's dash. It's all gorgeous! Like the GT7 dash on PS5 Pro, but without the noise, aliasing and artifacts. The shadows appear ray traced as well. It's insane how many tiny shadows are perfectly rendered, like the individual pins on her wall. Even her shadow overlaps the shadow of a pin and you can still see both distinctly. No aliasing, flickering or noise on anything. Even the gameplay shots have perfect reflections when occluded. All that at 4K and 60 fps on the PS5? What sorcery is this? Very, very skeptical. I wonder if ND is aiming too high like they did with the first Uncharted 4 trailer, got all this tech working for a tiny choreographed scene and then would have to dramatically pare things back to accommodate real varied gameplay and cutscenes (60 fps to 30 fps with worse lighting). They did better with the TLOU 2 reveal, but still fell short on the lighting quality for characters during gameplay. But even if cutscenes reach this level of fidelity (I think it did for TLOU 2 in cutscenes), we are in for a treat! Given that they have been working on this for 4 years already, they probably have the tech goals nailed at this point. Could they have actually pulled it off for gameplay as well? Skeptical, but also optimistic. Skeptimistic, if you will.
4. Does this thing have actual space travel or not? Firstly, I think the 4chan leak is totally made up, like most 4chan leaks. If you think ND revealed the whole plot of the game in one trailer, then you have not been paying any attention to how they make their reveal trailers. The only thing they always convey is setting, tone, some narrative and gameplay hints and a whole bunch of misdirects. The entire story is NOT going to be about Jordan going to a single planet, finding WTF happened there and getting out. It's likely a few chapters at the most. They didn't spend all that time inventing fake constellations for a single map on the wall that the camera sweeps over, calling the game "Intergalactic", creating charts about an interstellar transport network called "Hypergate", where a space bounty hunter searching for a bunch of old space hopping criminals (she literally has timestamps highlighted in different colors when they used Hypergate to cross different star systems), with so many seconds of the trailer focused on a fancy Porsche spaceship with space cannons and its numerous dials and dashboard interface that shows everything from different flying modes, engine power, shields, speed, ammo, to all just be for a cutscene that you can never experience. I firmly believe there will be some interactivity and control. Hopefully they hit the right balance (not Star Citizen's level, but also not Starfield). No Man's sky level of control with mission-based, wide-linear exploration and a sprinkling of combat and evasion would be my sweet spot! Yes, I'm going to pretend Concord never happened. One can hope.
5. Are there flying cars in the game??? There are several shots of cars on the wall, at least a couple of them have no obvious wheels. There is a photo of a busy lane where all the cars appear to be floating. And for once, it seems that's not due to the lack of proper shadows!
6. Loved a few passing details. Like how each camera focuses on Jordan as long as she is within its range. It then changes color and resets to its default position. Also the CD player that's playing the the anime on TV has a working timer that continues ticking off screen. It has at least 33 minutes of content by the looks of it. Will we get to watch it at our own leisure? I would like that. And Savage Starlight has an OST CD? Give it to me! I wonder if we can actually change CDs and listen to licensed and original soundtracks during space flight... or to just chill in the crib! Also, she has a catalogue of ship models on her coffee table. What are you trying to tell me, Naughty Dogs?
7. This is why I stopped engaging with gamers online. My work productivity goes to complete shit! This trailer made me feel things that Driveclub did back in the day. So I had to get it out of the system. Love you all

 

[RJMacready73]

Looks good, but from ND I'd expect a lot more visually. We already have games that looks better and this gonna release 2 years or more from now. I hope they pushed things like destruction or physics.

Also, I really hope there will be organic enemies and gore, and not just robots.

We haven't seen enough to make that judgement just quite yet, also is this all in engine cinematics?

 

[RJMacready73]

I'm glad EviLore created this thread as it actually drew me back to posting online after years of hiatus. I'd almost stopped wanting to even lurk on gaming forums after TGA and the ensuing rage. Some of us want to come here to unwind and be entertained. Not watch people being awful to each other. After endlessly re-watching the trailer as well as a few other eagle eyed gamers' breakdown videos, here is a consolidation of my observations. Some factual and some speculative:

1. I think her baldness has a narrative connection. Perhaps they started off with the character concept and built the narrative around it. Or vice versa. But there's a clear intent in opening her reveal with her head (and the shaving) being the focus. Given it's from Naughty Dog, they clearly wanted to evoke all the reactions we are seeing online, both positive and negative. It's what they have been doing for a while now. Make you feel... something. So you think about it. Celebrate it. Speculate the "But why?". Defend it or rant about it. Love it or hate it. That's up to you. I wish the discussions were more objective and thought provoking though. But that's kind of where we are as a society it seems. Just 2 polarized factions constantly whining about and name-calling the other. I'm gonna chalk that up as "growing pains" for human consciousness and move on. Personally, not many people can pull off a bald look, but Jordan/Tati is, in my opinion, as close to some of the best looking bald female protagonists out there. She looks straight up hot in some angles with her facial symmetry and contours. To each their own, I guess. And I'm not even drawn to baldness in anyway (still insecure about my own inevitable fate). To consider hair, a bunch of dead cells growing out of our skin, which doesn't even serve much of an evolutionary purpose anymore, as some kind of sacred symbol of one's femininity (or masculinity for that matter) seems to be a society that still refuses to let go of its shallow and heavily restrictive definition of beauty. I'm sure we will eventually stop finding the need to behave so primitively. But not in our lifetimes, unfortunately. For all we know, in a 100000 years, we may all be hairless and bald, like the Observers from a certain cult classic. I wonder what they will have to say about all this fracas. But back on topic, how is there a narrative connection, you ask? There are at least 2 things revealed in the trailer:
   1. She wasn't always shaving her head. As part of the the Five Aces, she is clearly sporting a full head of hair on that photo on the wall. Could that be a wig? We don't know, but that was certainly a different 'look'.
   2. She has some serious scarring on her head. Enough to actually make a lot of hairstyles not work. I count at least 6 scars, with 3 that are significant. A large one on the back, one on top and one right above her left ear. They are significant enough that you need to choose specific hairstyles to conceal it. Perhaps she decided to just go bald, as it is more practical, than deal with the hassle. Perhaps it was her way of healing from the trauma of how the scars happened in the first place. Could the scars be related to why the Five Aces split and vanished? Did she survive a betrayal from one (or all) of the others? Was a... was a space golf club used in said betrayal? I have many questions. I don't believe it is just to conceal her identity. I think most media that takes itself seriously has moved away from the the Clark Kent trope (and even that was quite self aware for its time). Love them or hate them, I think we can all agree that present day Naughty Dog at least takes itself seriously. Perhaps too seriously to its own detriment.
2. I don't believe the product placement is simply Sony trying to get some ad revenue. Not with Naughty Dog's games. That might still be happening in the background, but they are trying to say something more in the narrative. How often have you seen a story driven, non-racing game, trailer, featuring 3 prominent brands that traditionally have nothing to do with the game themes, with the camera zoomed in to focus on them? Not just in the final game, but in the trailer itself? I can't think of any. Either they are trying to portray peak consumerism, or a call back to brands that were massively popular in the 80s as part of the overall aesthetic, or the brands play a bigger role in the universe. I don't think they are portrayed as dystopian megacorps either, given how Porsche is proudly advertising the snapshots from the game on social media. Again, we can all scream 'fuck the corporations' and dogpile on them, while being completely oblivious of the reality of all the branding we are surrounded with and consume everyday. It's hard to ignore the clear intent with which these brands are being focused on in the trailer. The brands that are fictitious in the game are actually far more subtly placed or hard to read (Macho Nacho?). Again, they want you to feel something from seeing these big names front and center. We won't really know why till they show more or talk bout it.
3. Technically, the trailer is near perfect, to the point of raising eyebrows. Like DF pointed out, how the hell is this captured on a PS5? They think it's native 4K and it's running at 60 fps? There is literally one button that shows aliasing in the entire trailer (which DF didn't point out). The mirror could be a planar reflection "trick", but all the other reflections seem per pixel ray traced. The knobs, the red lights reflecting on the knobs, the reflections on the TV screen, the photo on the wall reflecting Jordan, the CDs moving and reflecting on the arm of the CD changer, heck every single surface on the ship's dash. It's all gorgeous! Like the GT7 dash on PS5 Pro, but without the noise, aliasing and artifacts. The shadows appear ray traced as well. It's insane how many tiny shadows are perfectly rendered, like the individual pins on her wall. Even her shadow overlaps the shadow of a pin and you can still see both distinctly. No aliasing, flickering or noise on anything. Even the gameplay shots have perfect reflections when occluded. All that at 4K and 60 fps on the PS5? What sorcery is this? Very, very skeptical. I wonder if ND is aiming too high like they did with the first Uncharted 4 trailer, got all this tech working for a tiny choreographed scene and then would have to dramatically pair things back to accommodate real varied gameplay and cutscenes (60 fps to 30 fps with worse lighting). They did better with the TLOU 2 reveal, but still fell short on the lighting quality for characters during gameplay. But even if cutscenes reach this level of fidelity (I think it did for TLOU 2 in cutscenes), we are in for a treat! Given that they have been working on this for 4 years already, they probably have the tech goals nailed at this point. Could they have actually pulled it off for gameplay as well? Skeptical, but also optimistic. Skeptimistic, if you will.
4. Does this thing have actual space travel or not? Firstly, I think the 4chan leak is totally made up, like most 4chan leaks. If you think ND revealed the whole plot of the game in one trailer, then you have not been paying any attention to how they make their reveal trailers. The only thing they always convey is setting, tone, some narrative and gameplay hints and a whole bunch of misdirects. The entire story is NOT going to be about Jordan going to a single planet, finding WTF happened there and getting out. It's likely a few chapters at the most. They didn't spend all that time inventing fake constellations for a single map on the wall that the camera sweeps over, calling the game "Intergalactic", creating charts about an interstellar transport network called "Hypergate", where a space bounty hunter searching for a bunch of old space hopping criminals (she literally has timestamps highlighted in different colors when they used Hypergate to cross different star systems), with so many seconds of the trailer focused on a fancy Porsche spaceship with space cannons and its numerous dials and dashboard interface that shows everything from different flying modes, engine power, shields, speed, ammo, to all just be for a cutscene that you can never experience. I firmly believe there will be some interactivity and control. Hopefully they hit the right balance (not Star Citizen's level, but also not Starfield). No Man's sky level of control with mission-based, wide-linear exploration and a sprinkling of combat and evasion would be my sweet spot! Yes, I'm going to pretend Concord never happened. One can hope.
5. Are there flying cars in the game??? There are several shots of cars on the wall, at least a couple of them have no obvious wheels. There is a photo of a busy lane where all the cars appear to be floating. And for once, it seems that's not due to the lack of proper shadows!
6. Loved a few passing details. Like how each camera focuses on Jordan as long as she is within its range. It then changes color and resets to its default position. Also the CD player that's playing the the anime on TV has a working timer that continues ticking off screen. It has at least 33 minutes of content by the looks of it. Will we get to watch it at our own leisure? I would like that. And Savage Starlight has an OST CD? Give it to me! I wonder if we can actually change stations and listen to licensed and original soundtracks during space flight... or to just chill in the crib! Also, she has a catalogue of ship models on her coffee table. What are you trying to tell me, Naughty Dogs?
7. This is why I stopped engaging with gamers online. My work productivity goes to complete shit! This trailer made me feel things that Driveclub did back in the day. So I had to get it out of the system. Love you all

Get a load of Sherlock here... Excellent analysis chap!

 

[Rudius]

Remove the character and everything looks nice. I wish it was in first person with a silent nameless protagonist.

 

[March Climber]

V viveks86 I like a lot of your analysis, but just wanted to point out...

Does this thing have actual space travel or not? Firstly, I think the 4chan leak is totally made up, like most 4chan leaks.

This is not true. Most big 4chan leaks have been 50/50 since arguably the PS2 generation. If you want a recent big example about what they were right about, the entire Sega leak of:

-A new JSR game
-A new Crazy Taxi
-A new Virtua Fighter
-A new Golden Axe

They had a detailed post last year regarding the "New Sega, New Energy" tagline along with the above titles that was nearly 1:1 shown at last year's TGA. There are other leaks out there that they have been right about, and obviously ones that they have been wrong about (like a few recent Capcom ones).

Like every leak source, they should be considered 50/50. The problem is that a lot of people either forget this or don't want them to be right about anything, but that's not how things work. It is a completely anonymous website which makes it easy for a game dev or insider to go there, leak info, and get away with it.

 

[viveks86]

V viveks86 I like a lot of your analysis, but just wanted to point out...

This is not true. Most big 4chan leaks have been 50/50 since arguably the PS2 generation. If you want a recent big example about what they were right about, the entire Sega leak of:

-A new JSR game
-A new Crazy Taxi
-A new Virtua Fighter
-A new Golden Axe

They had a detailed post last year regarding the "New Sega, New Energy" tagline along with the above titles that was nearly 1:1 shown at last year's TGA. There are other leaks out there that they have been right about, and obviously ones that they have been wrong about (like a few recent Capcom ones).

Like every leak source, they should be considered 50/50. The problem is that a lot of people either forget this or don't want them to be right about anything, but that's not how things work. It is a completely anonymous website which makes it easy for a game dev or insider to go there, leak info, and get away with it.

Thanks. And yeah I don't think I'm factually correct about 4chan leaks. Just that my personal threshold for putting any trust in a leak isn't 50/50. If it were on GAF, Resetera or even reddit, with mod verification, that to me is above 50/50.

 

[Evil Calvin]

Copying a bit off Madame Kavorian from Doctor Who

 

[Zacfoldor]

I'm glad EviLore created this thread as it actually drew me back to posting online after years of hiatus. I'd almost stopped wanting to even lurk on gaming forums after TGA and the ensuing rage. Some of us want to come here to unwind and be entertained. Not watch people being awful to each other. After endlessly re-watching the trailer as well as a few other eagle eyed gamers' breakdown videos, here is a consolidation of my observations. Some factual and some speculative:

1. I think her baldness has a narrative connection. Perhaps they started off with the character concept and built the narrative around it. Or vice versa. But there's a clear intent in opening her reveal with her head (and the shaving) being the focus. Given it's from Naughty Dog, they clearly wanted to evoke all the reactions we are seeing online, both positive and negative. It's what they have been doing for a while now. Make you feel... something. So you think about it. Celebrate it. Speculate the "But why?". Defend it or rant about it. Love it or hate it. That's up to you. I wish the discussions were more objective and thought provoking though. But that's kind of where we are as a society it seems. Just 2 polarized factions constantly whining about and name-calling the other. I'm gonna chalk that up as "growing pains" for human consciousness and move on. Personally, not many people can pull off a bald look, but Jordan/Tati is, in my opinion, as close to some of the best looking bald female protagonists out there. She looks straight up hot in some angles with her facial symmetry and contours. To each their own, I guess. And I'm not even drawn to baldness in anyway (still insecure about my own inevitable fate). To consider hair, a bunch of dead cells growing out of our skin, which doesn't even serve much of an evolutionary purpose anymore, as some kind of sacred symbol of one's femininity (or masculinity for that matter) seems to be a society that still refuses to let go of its shallow and heavily restrictive definition of beauty. I'm sure we will eventually stop finding the need to behave so primitively. But not in our lifetimes, unfortunately. For all we know, in a 100000 years, we may all be hairless and bald, like the Observers from a certain cult classic. I wonder what they will have to say about all this fracas. But back on topic, how is there a narrative connection, you ask? There are at least 2 things revealed in the trailer:
   1. She wasn't always shaving her head. As part of the the Five Aces, she is clearly sporting a full head of hair on that photo on the wall. Could that be a wig? We don't know, but that was certainly a different 'look'.
   2. She has some serious scarring on her head. Enough to actually make a lot of hairstyles not work. I count at least 6 scars, with 3 that are significant. A large one on the back, one on top and one right above her left ear. They are significant enough that you need to choose specific hairstyles to conceal it. Perhaps she decided to just go bald, as it is more practical, than deal with the hassle. Perhaps it was her way of healing from the trauma of how the scars happened in the first place. Could the scars be related to why the Five Aces split and vanished? Did she survive a betrayal from one (or all) of the others? Was a... was a space golf club used in said betrayal? I have many questions. I don't believe it is just to conceal her identity. I think most media that takes itself seriously has moved away from the the Clark Kent trope (and even that was quite self aware for its time). Love them or hate them, I think we can all agree that present day Naughty Dog at least takes itself seriously. Perhaps too seriously to its own detriment.
2. I don't believe the product placement is simply Sony trying to get some ad revenue. Not with Naughty Dog's games. That might still be happening in the background, but they are trying to say something more in the narrative. How often have you seen a story driven, non-racing game, trailer, featuring 3 prominent brands that traditionally have nothing to do with the game themes, with the camera zoomed in to focus on them? Not just in the final game, but in the trailer itself? I can't think of any. Either they are trying to portray peak consumerism, or a call back to brands that were massively popular in the 80s as part of the overall aesthetic, or the brands play a bigger role in the universe. I don't think they are portrayed as dystopian megacorps either, given how Porsche is proudly advertising the snapshots from the game on social media. Again, we can all scream 'fuck the corporations' and dogpile on them, while being completely oblivious of the reality of all the branding we are surrounded with and consume everyday. It's hard to ignore the clear intent with which these brands are being focused on in the trailer. The brands that are fictitious in the game are actually far more subtly placed or hard to read (Macho Nacho?). Again, they want you to feel something from seeing these big names front and center. We won't really know why till they show more or talk bout it.
3. Technically, the trailer is near perfect, to the point of raising eyebrows. Like DF pointed out, how the hell is this captured on a PS5? They think it's native 4K and it's running at 60 fps? There is literally one button that shows aliasing in the entire trailer (which DF didn't point out). The mirror could be a planar reflection "trick", but all the other reflections seem per pixel ray traced. The knobs, the red lights reflecting on the knobs, the reflections on the TV screen, the photo on the wall reflecting Jordan, the CDs moving and reflecting on the arm of the CD changer, heck every single surface on the ship's dash. It's all gorgeous! Like the GT7 dash on PS5 Pro, but without the noise, aliasing and artifacts. The shadows appear ray traced as well. It's insane how many tiny shadows are perfectly rendered, like the individual pins on her wall. Even her shadow overlaps the shadow of a pin and you can still see both distinctly. No aliasing, flickering or noise on anything. Even the gameplay shots have perfect reflections when occluded. All that at 4K and 60 fps on the PS5? What sorcery is this? Very, very skeptical. I wonder if ND is aiming too high like they did with the first Uncharted 4 trailer, got all this tech working for a tiny choreographed scene and then would have to dramatically pare things back to accommodate real varied gameplay and cutscenes (60 fps to 30 fps with worse lighting). They did better with the TLOU 2 reveal, but still fell short on the lighting quality for characters during gameplay. But even if cutscenes reach this level of fidelity (I think it did for TLOU 2 in cutscenes), we are in for a treat! Given that they have been working on this for 4 years already, they probably have the tech goals nailed at this point. Could they have actually pulled it off for gameplay as well? Skeptical, but also optimistic. Skeptimistic, if you will.
4. Does this thing have actual space travel or not? Firstly, I think the 4chan leak is totally made up, like most 4chan leaks. If you think ND revealed the whole plot of the game in one trailer, then you have not been paying any attention to how they make their reveal trailers. The only thing they always convey is setting, tone, some narrative and gameplay hints and a whole bunch of misdirects. The entire story is NOT going to be about Jordan going to a single planet, finding WTF happened there and getting out. It's likely a few chapters at the most. They didn't spend all that time inventing fake constellations for a single map on the wall that the camera sweeps over, calling the game "Intergalactic", creating charts about an interstellar transport network called "Hypergate", where a space bounty hunter searching for a bunch of old space hopping criminals (she literally has timestamps highlighted in different colors when they used Hypergate to cross different star systems), with so many seconds of the trailer focused on a fancy Porsche spaceship with space cannons and its numerous dials and dashboard interface that shows everything from different flying modes, engine power, shields, speed, ammo, to all just be for a cutscene that you can never experience. I firmly believe there will be some interactivity and control. Hopefully they hit the right balance (not Star Citizen's level, but also not Starfield). No Man's sky level of control with mission-based, wide-linear exploration and a sprinkling of combat and evasion would be my sweet spot! Yes, I'm going to pretend Concord never happened. One can hope.
5. Are there flying cars in the game??? There are several shots of cars on the wall, at least a couple of them have no obvious wheels. There is a photo of a busy lane where all the cars appear to be floating. And for once, it seems that's not due to the lack of proper shadows!
6. Loved a few passing details. Like how each camera focuses on Jordan as long as she is within its range. It then changes color and resets to its default position. Also the CD player that's playing the the anime on TV has a working timer that continues ticking off screen. It has at least 33 minutes of content by the looks of it. Will we get to watch it at our own leisure? I would like that. And Savage Starlight has an OST CD? Give it to me! I wonder if we can actually change CDs and listen to licensed and original soundtracks during space flight... or to just chill in the crib! Also, she has a catalogue of ship models on her coffee table. What are you trying to tell me, Naughty Dogs?
7. This is why I stopped engaging with gamers online. My work productivity goes to complete shit! This trailer made me feel things that Driveclub did back in the day. So I had to get it out of the system. Love you all

This was a good post.

Don't let shit talk get you down over your hobby man. Claim that hobby. Few things in life will be a better friend. Glad you decided to post again. We don't always have to agree but I do truly hope this game is great for you. Knowing ND it probably will be, so I think you are in good hands here.

 

[Haint]

I'm glad EviLore created this thread as it actually drew me back to posting online after years of hiatus. I'd almost stopped wanting to even lurk on gaming forums after TGA and the ensuing rage. Some of us want to come here to unwind and be entertained. Not watch people being awful to each other. After endlessly re-watching the trailer as well as a few other eagle eyed gamers' breakdown videos, here is a consolidation of my observations. Some factual and some speculative:

1. I think her baldness has a narrative connection.Perhaps they started off with the character concept and built the narrative around it. Or vice versa. But there's a clear intent in opening her reveal with her head (and the shaving) being the focus. Given it's from Naughty Dog, they clearly wanted to evoke all the reactions we are seeing online, both positive and negative. It's what they have been doing for a while now. Make you feel... something. So you think about it. Celebrate it. Speculate the "But why?". Defend it or rant about it. Love it or hate it. That's up to you. I wish the discussions were more objective and thought provoking though. But that's kind of where we are as a society it seems. Just 2 polarized factions constantly whining about and name-calling the other. I'm gonna chalk that up as "growing pains" for human consciousness and move on. Personally, not many people can pull off a bald look, but Jordan/Tati is, in my opinion, as close to some of the best looking bald female protagonists out there. She looks straight up hot in some angles with her facial symmetry and contours. To each their own, I guess. And I'm not even drawn to baldness in anyway (still insecure about my own inevitable fate). To consider hair, a bunch of dead cells growing out of our skin, which doesn't even serve much of an evolutionary purpose anymore, as some kind of sacred symbol of one's femininity (or masculinity for that matter) seems to be a society that still refuses to let go of its shallow and heavily restrictive definition of beauty. I'm sure we will eventually stop finding the need to behave so primitively. But not in our lifetimes, unfortunately. For all we know, in a 100000 years, we may all be hairless and bald, like the Observers from a certain cult classic. I wonder what they will have to say about all this fracas. But back on topic, how is there a narrative connection, you ask? There are at least 2 things revealed in the trailer:
   1. She wasn't always shaving her head. As part of the the Five Aces, she is clearly sporting a full head of hair on that photo on the wall. Could that be a wig? We don't know, but that was certainly a different 'look'.
   2. She has some serious scarring on her head. Enough to actually make a lot of hairstyles not work. I count at least 6 scars, with 3 that are significant. A large one on the back, one on top and one right above her left ear. They are significant enough that you need to choose specific hairstyles to conceal it. Perhaps she decided to just go bald, as it is more practical, than deal with the hassle. Perhaps it was her way of healing from the trauma of how the scars happened in the first place. Could the scars be related to why the Five Aces split and vanished? Did she survive a betrayal from one (or all) of the others? Was a... was a space golf club used in said betrayal? I have many questions. I don't believe it is just to conceal her identity. I think most media that takes itself seriously has moved away from the the Clark Kent trope (and even that was quite self aware for its time). Love them or hate them, I think we can all agree that present day Naughty Dog at least takes itself seriously. Perhaps too seriously to its own detriment.
2. I don't believe the product placement is simply Sony trying to get some ad revenue. Not with Naughty Dog's games. That might still be happening in the background, but they are trying to say something more in the narrative. How often have you seen a story driven, non-racing game, trailer, featuring 3 prominent brands that traditionally have nothing to do with the game themes, with the camera zoomed in to focus on them? Not just in the final game, but in the trailer itself? I can't think of any. Either they are trying to portray peak consumerism, or a call back to brands that were massively popular in the 80s as part of the overall aesthetic, or the brands play a bigger role in the universe. I don't think they are portrayed as dystopian megacorps either, given how Porsche is proudly advertising the snapshots from the game on social media. Again, we can all scream 'fuck the corporations' and dogpile on them, while being completely oblivious of the reality of all the branding we are surrounded with and consume everyday. It's hard to ignore the clear intent with which these brands are being focused on in the trailer. The brands that are fictitious in the game are actually far more subtly placed or hard to read (Macho Nacho?). Again, they want you to feel something from seeing these big names front and center. We won't really know why till they show more or talk bout it.
3. Technically, the trailer is near perfect, to the point of raising eyebrows. Like DF pointed out, how the hell is this captured on a PS5? They think it's native 4K and it's running at 60 fps? There is literally one button that shows aliasing in the entire trailer (which DF didn't point out). The mirror could be a planar reflection "trick", but all the other reflections seem per pixel ray traced. The knobs, the red lights reflecting on the knobs, the reflections on the TV screen, the photo on the wall reflecting Jordan, the CDs moving and reflecting on the arm of the CD changer, heck every single surface on the ship's dash. It's all gorgeous! Like the GT7 dash on PS5 Pro, but without the noise, aliasing and artifacts. The shadows appear ray traced as well. It's insane how many tiny shadows are perfectly rendered, like the individual pins on her wall. Even her shadow overlaps the shadow of a pin and you can still see both distinctly. No aliasing, flickering or noise on anything. Even the gameplay shots have perfect reflections when occluded. All that at 4K and 60 fps on the PS5? What sorcery is this? Very, very skeptical. I wonder if ND is aiming too high like they did with the first Uncharted 4 trailer, got all this tech working for a tiny choreographed scene and then would have to dramatically pare things back to accommodate real varied gameplay and cutscenes (60 fps to 30 fps with worse lighting). They did better with the TLOU 2 reveal, but still fell short on the lighting quality for characters during gameplay. But even if cutscenes reach this level of fidelity (I think it did for TLOU 2 in cutscenes), we are in for a treat! Given that they have been working on this for 4 years already, they probably have the tech goals nailed at this point. Could they have actually pulled it off for gameplay as well? Skeptical, but also optimistic. Skeptimistic, if you will.
4. Does this thing have actual space travel or not? Firstly, I think the 4chan leak is totally made up, like most 4chan leaks. If you think ND revealed the whole plot of the game in one trailer, then you have not been paying any attention to how they make their reveal trailers. The only thing they always convey is setting, tone, some narrative and gameplay hints and a whole bunch of misdirects. The entire story is NOT going to be about Jordan going to a single planet, finding WTF happened there and getting out. It's likely a few chapters at the most. They didn't spend all that time inventing fake constellations for a single map on the wall that the camera sweeps over, calling the game "Intergalactic", creating charts about an interstellar transport network called "Hypergate", where a space bounty hunter searching for a bunch of old space hopping criminals (she literally has timestamps highlighted in different colors when they used Hypergate to cross different star systems), with so many seconds of the trailer focused on a fancy Porsche spaceship with space cannons and its numerous dials and dashboard interface that shows everything from different flying modes, engine power, shields, speed, ammo, to all just be for a cutscene that you can never experience. I firmly believe there will be some interactivity and control. Hopefully they hit the right balance (not Star Citizen's level, but also not Starfield). No Man's sky level of control with mission-based, wide-linear exploration and a sprinkling of combat and evasion would be my sweet spot! Yes, I'm going to pretend Concord never happened. One can hope.
5. Are there flying cars in the game??? There are several shots of cars on the wall, at least a couple of them have no obvious wheels. There is a photo of a busy lane where all the cars appear to be floating. And for once, it seems that's not due to the lack of proper shadows!
6. Loved a few passing details. Like how each camera focuses on Jordan as long as she is within its range. It then changes color and resets to its default position. Also the CD player that's playing the the anime on TV has a working timer that continues ticking off screen. It has at least 33 minutes of content by the looks of it. Will we get to watch it at our own leisure? I would like that. And Savage Starlight has an OST CD? Give it to me! I wonder if we can actually change CDs and listen to licensed and original soundtracks during space flight... or to just chill in the crib! Also, she has a catalogue of ship models on her coffee table. What are you trying to tell me, Naughty Dogs?
7. This is why I stopped engaging with gamers online. My work productivity goes to complete shit! This trailer made me feel things that Driveclub did back in the day. So I had to get it out of the system. Love you all

Neogaf 'bout to be ashamed of their words and deeds.

 

[March Climber]

Thanks. And yeah I don't think I'm factually correct about 4chan leaks. Just that my personal threshold for putting any trust in a leak isn't 50/50. If it were on GAF, Resetera or even reddit, with mod verification, that to me is above 50/50.

Which is understandable, as 4chan is what it is, so quite a lot of people don't like the site and it's community. The issue is that some people take that dislike to being 'since I don't like you, you're always wrong' which doesn't work. I just always found it odd that gamers would read a rumor from them, forget about it over time, and then when it actually happened they would attribute the credit to some random twitter user who just happened to copy and paste from them.

For me, regardless of how people feel about any site, that site has just as much of a chance to be right about rumors as the rest of us. I could show you evidence as to why they are 50/50 but I simply don't care enough about them to do so as a defense. Just know that the evidence exists thankfully due to archivers out there.

 

[sachos]

I wonder if they will go full ARPG with build variety and open world or be more linear action adventure game.

 

[viveks86]

Neogaf 'bout to be ashamed of their words and deeds.

Which is understandable, as 4chan is what it is, so quite a lot of people don't like the site and it's community. The issue is that some people take that dislike to being 'since I don't like you, you're always wrong' which doesn't work. I just always found it odd that gamers would read a rumor from them, forget about it over time, and then when it actually happened they would attribute the credit to some random twitter user who just happened to copy and paste from them.

For me, regardless of how people feel about any site, that site has just as much of a chance to be right about rumors as the rest of us. I could show you evidence as to why they are 50/50 but I simply don't care enough about them to do so as a defense. Just know that the evidence exists thankfully due to archivers out there.

Agreed. Have nothing against the site or the users, by the way, especially after watching a Netflix documentary on it recently. Certainly has its place in the spectrum of social media

Get a load of Sherlock here... Excellent analysis chap!

Some other little things of note:

1. The spiral shape is referenced in a lot of places. The moon, the cloud formation and a lot of Naughty Dog tweets. Perhaps a symbol of the Sempirian religion
2. Assuming the "detective wall" isn't more than a year old, the in-game current year is xx99. Don't know what xx is, but there is one timestamped picture pointing to the year xx95 with a sticky note that says it was 4 years old
3. Not sure how she is carrying the sword. She has a holster for the handgun/SMG, but nothing for the sword. Does the whole frame of the blade collapse further into a nice pocket tool? Does she magically pull it out of her jacket? Would love to see how that is animated. Speaking of animation, people should watch this animation breakdown. The level of detail for how the robot holds the blade, transfers its weight and changes hands is incredible!
5. Looks like they have physics based water simulation (assuming it makes it into the final game). Doesn't look like sprites anymore.
   
6. She has a picture of a scope on the wall. Is she shopping for a sniper rifle?
7. Outside of J.A.M being her initials, a nod to JAM Software (Naughty Dog's roots), she has S.J.M tattoo-ed on her forearm. Could that be initials of her child?
8. The Sempirian language seems to be inspired by many South Indian, Sri Lankan and Thai scripts. There's simply not enough to decode it though. Except that : is " in Sempirian... :|

 

[Heisenberg007]

I'm glad EviLore created this thread as it actually drew me back to posting online after years of hiatus. I'd almost stopped wanting to even lurk on gaming forums after TGA and the ensuing rage. Some of us want to come here to unwind and be entertained. Not watch people being awful to each other. After endlessly re-watching the trailer as well as a few other eagle eyed gamers' breakdown videos, here is a consolidation of my observations. Some factual and some speculative:

1. I think her baldness has a narrative connection. Perhaps they started off with the character concept and built the narrative around it. Or vice versa. But there's a clear intent in opening her reveal with her head (and the shaving) being the focus. Given it's from Naughty Dog, they clearly wanted to evoke all the reactions we are seeing online, both positive and negative. It's what they have been doing for a while now. Make you feel... something. So you think about it. Celebrate it. Speculate the "But why?". Defend it or rant about it. Love it or hate it. That's up to you. I wish the discussions were more objective and thought provoking though. But that's kind of where we are as a society it seems. Just 2 polarized factions constantly whining about and name-calling the other. I'm gonna chalk that up as "growing pains" for human consciousness and move on. Personally, not many people can pull off a bald look, but Jordan/Tati is, in my opinion, as close to some of the best looking bald female protagonists out there. She looks straight up hot in some angles with her facial symmetry and contours. To each their own, I guess. And I'm not even drawn to baldness in anyway (still insecure about my own inevitable fate). To consider hair, a bunch of dead cells growing out of our skin, which doesn't even serve much of an evolutionary purpose anymore, as some kind of sacred symbol of one's femininity (or masculinity for that matter) seems to be a society that still refuses to let go of its shallow and heavily restrictive definition of beauty. I'm sure we will eventually stop finding the need to behave so primitively. But not in our lifetimes, unfortunately. For all we know, in a 100000 years, we may all be hairless and bald, like the Observers from a certain cult classic. I wonder what they will have to say about all this fracas. But back on topic, how is there a narrative connection, you ask? There are at least 2 things revealed in the trailer:
   1. She wasn't always shaving her head. As part of the the Five Aces, she is clearly sporting a full head of hair on that photo on the wall. Could that be a wig? We don't know, but that was certainly a different 'look'.
   2. She has some serious scarring on her head. Enough to actually make a lot of hairstyles not work. I count at least 6 scars, with 3 that are significant. A large one on the back, one on top and one right above her left ear. They are significant enough that you need to choose specific hairstyles to conceal it. Perhaps she decided to just go bald, as it is more practical, than deal with the hassle. Perhaps it was her way of healing from the trauma of how the scars happened in the first place. Could the scars be related to why the Five Aces split and vanished? Did she survive a betrayal from one (or all) of the others? Was a... was a space golf club used in said betrayal? I have many questions. I don't believe it is just to conceal her identity. I think most media that takes itself seriously has moved away from the the Clark Kent trope (and even that was quite self aware for its time). Love them or hate them, I think we can all agree that present day Naughty Dog at least takes itself seriously. Perhaps too seriously to its own detriment.
2. I don't believe the product placement is simply Sony trying to get some ad revenue. Not with Naughty Dog's games. That might still be happening in the background, but they are trying to say something more in the narrative. How often have you seen a story driven, non-racing game, trailer, featuring 3 prominent brands that traditionally have nothing to do with the game themes, with the camera zoomed in to focus on them? Not just in the final game, but in the trailer itself? I can't think of any. Either they are trying to portray peak consumerism, or a call back to brands that were massively popular in the 80s as part of the overall aesthetic, or the brands play a bigger role in the universe. I don't think they are portrayed as dystopian megacorps either, given how Porsche is proudly advertising the snapshots from the game on social media. Again, we can all scream 'fuck the corporations' and dogpile on them, while being completely oblivious of the reality of all the branding we are surrounded with and consume everyday. It's hard to ignore the clear intent with which these brands are being focused on in the trailer. The brands that are fictitious in the game are actually far more subtly placed or hard to read (Macho Nacho?). Again, they want you to feel something from seeing these big names front and center. We won't really know why till they show more or talk bout it.
3. Technically, the trailer is near perfect, to the point of raising eyebrows. Like DF pointed out, how the hell is this captured on a PS5? They think it's native 4K and it's running at 60 fps? There is literally one button that shows aliasing in the entire trailer (which DF didn't point out). The mirror could be a planar reflection "trick", but all the other reflections seem per pixel ray traced. The knobs, the red lights reflecting on the knobs, the reflections on the TV screen, the photo on the wall reflecting Jordan, the CDs moving and reflecting on the arm of the CD changer, heck every single surface on the ship's dash. It's all gorgeous! Like the GT7 dash on PS5 Pro, but without the noise, aliasing and artifacts. The shadows appear ray traced as well. It's insane how many tiny shadows are perfectly rendered, like the individual pins on her wall. Even her shadow overlaps the shadow of a pin and you can still see both distinctly. No aliasing, flickering or noise on anything. Even the gameplay shots have perfect reflections when occluded. All that at 4K and 60 fps on the PS5? What sorcery is this? Very, very skeptical. I wonder if ND is aiming too high like they did with the first Uncharted 4 trailer, got all this tech working for a tiny choreographed scene and then would have to dramatically pare things back to accommodate real varied gameplay and cutscenes (60 fps to 30 fps with worse lighting). They did better with the TLOU 2 reveal, but still fell short on the lighting quality for characters during gameplay. But even if cutscenes reach this level of fidelity (I think it did for TLOU 2 in cutscenes), we are in for a treat! Given that they have been working on this for 4 years already, they probably have the tech goals nailed at this point. Could they have actually pulled it off for gameplay as well? Skeptical, but also optimistic. Skeptimistic, if you will.
4. Does this thing have actual space travel or not? Firstly, I think the 4chan leak is totally made up, like most 4chan leaks. If you think ND revealed the whole plot of the game in one trailer, then you have not been paying any attention to how they make their reveal trailers. The only thing they always convey is setting, tone, some narrative and gameplay hints and a whole bunch of misdirects. The entire story is NOT going to be about Jordan going to a single planet, finding WTF happened there and getting out. It's likely a few chapters at the most. They didn't spend all that time inventing fake constellations for a single map on the wall that the camera sweeps over, calling the game "Intergalactic", creating charts about an interstellar transport network called "Hypergate", where a space bounty hunter searching for a bunch of old space hopping criminals (she literally has timestamps highlighted in different colors when they used Hypergate to cross different star systems), with so many seconds of the trailer focused on a fancy Porsche spaceship with space cannons and its numerous dials and dashboard interface that shows everything from different flying modes, engine power, shields, speed, ammo, to all just be for a cutscene that you can never experience. I firmly believe there will be some interactivity and control. Hopefully they hit the right balance (not Star Citizen's level, but also not Starfield). No Man's sky level of control with mission-based, wide-linear exploration and a sprinkling of combat and evasion would be my sweet spot! Yes, I'm going to pretend Concord never happened. One can hope.
5. Are there flying cars in the game??? There are several shots of cars on the wall, at least a couple of them have no obvious wheels. There is a photo of a busy lane where all the cars appear to be floating. And for once, it seems that's not due to the lack of proper shadows!
6. Loved a few passing details. Like how each camera focuses on Jordan as long as she is within its range. It then changes color and resets to its default position. Also the CD player that's playing the the anime on TV has a working timer that continues ticking off screen. It has at least 33 minutes of content by the looks of it. Will we get to watch it at our own leisure? I would like that. And Savage Starlight has an OST CD? Give it to me! I wonder if we can actually change CDs and listen to licensed and original soundtracks during space flight... or to just chill in the crib! Also, she has a catalogue of ship models on her coffee table. What are you trying to tell me, Naughty Dogs?
7. This is why I stopped engaging with gamers online. My work productivity goes to complete shit! This trailer made me feel things that Driveclub did back in the day. So I had to get it out of the system. Love you all

Excellent comment, man! Love it.

Regarding product placements, I agree. It's not for ad revenue. 80s sci-fi has always had a strong connection and numerous references to corporations, brand names, and products. It's just part of the parcel.

You can either do it via fake corporations and products (like Cyberpunk 2077 does) or you can create a more relatable connection with real-life products and companies that we're all familiar with. I do agree this is very intentional and for world-building purposes, not for ad revenues.

 

[viveks86]

Excellent comment, man! Love it.

Regarding product placements, I agree. It's not for ad revenue. 80s sci-fi has always had a strong connection and numerous references to corporations, brand names, and products. It's just part of the parcel.

You can either do it via fake corporations and products (like Cyberpunk 2077 does) or you can create a more relatable connection with real-life products and companies that we're all familiar with. I do agree this is very intentional and for world-building purposes, not for ad revenues.

It appears they are doing both in this case? I don't see a real-life fast food chain by the name "Macho Nacho". There does seem to be a Mexican restaurant by that name in New Jersey though...

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Probably already posted somewhere but this sounds cool.

 

[Kdad]

Wondering about the license in this game.

We have a a Porshe space ship.
We have 80's licensed music.

How far do they take this?

Will there be other name brands other car licenses etc?

Adidas, EMI Records (surprising they didn't use a SONY artist) and SONY were in there too.

 

[bundylove]

Adidas, EMI Records (surprising they didn't use a SONY artist) and SONY were in there too.

How cool would it be if games would start using product placement in games.
Offset the development cost through sponsors, lower cost of games, create new products for more sales, launch products with a game launch featuring the product in it, give a new platform for music artist or other to promote new talent, new songs, new styles...endless possibilities

 

[DevilHunterX0]

Reminds me of the God of War III teaser

 

[March Climber]

Probably already posted somewhere but this sounds cool.

Saw this and now it has completely changed what I think this game is going to be.

Maybe that “Bounty Hunter that’s stuck on this one planet” plot rumor is true. Maybe this is more like Metroid.

 

[Shane89]

the details are jaw drapping

 

[evanft]

It goes without saying, but the graphics look phenomenal, though it pretty much looks like an extension of the work they'd already done in TLOU2.

 

[mckmas8808]

Probably already posted somewhere but this sounds cool.

Most People chose to ignore this.

 

[FalsettoVibe]

Most People chose to ignore this.

Yep. I think this is super cool. I love environmental story telling. I think this game is going to be pretty different than the traditional type of ND game. Interested to see the first real gameplay trailer.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It appears they are doing both in this case? I don't see a real-life fast food chain by the name "Macho Nacho". There does seem to be a Mexican restaurant by that name in New Jersey though...

Taco Bell would have hit too close to Demolition Man. And seashells.

Adidas, EMI Records (surprising they didn't use a SONY artist) and SONY were in there too.

Sony Music and EMI are very intertwined via the Universal front. Lots of shared execs moving back and forth, films, partnerships, etc..