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Well I don't know. I think iCloud was pushing without the mail app open for the first day or two of having my 4S. Now for the past 2 days it hasn't been pushing unless I open the app and manually check, or if the apps are open in background. Not sure why it would have worked then and then just suddenly stopped working.

Not a huge deal to have the apps open in the background, though. I'm OCD so I always find myself closing apps even though it's not necessary. I'll deal with it until I figure out what's going on or if apple releases a fix. Lots of people on the apple forums talking about push issues.
 
Android18a said:
Can I hide the Newsstand thing on my iphone without just putting it on a page I don't use? I'm never going to have anything in it.
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There are a lot of default apps I hate and want to delete but can't. I just shove them all into a folder.

However, Newsstand can't be tucked away, it's infuriating.
 
Shit.

Just read that someone with a developer account and a music collection of over 25,000 songs got this message when trying to sign up for iTunes Match: "Your library contains too many songs. To participate in iTunes Match, your library must contain no more than 25,000 songs that were not purchased from the iTunes Store."

I have a collection of over 44,000 songs.

I really want to use iTunes Match for my mobile devices, but I don't feel like paring 20,000 songs from my music collection.

Hopefully Apple will come up with a workaround, but I gotta say this sucks for me.
 
criesofthepast said:
Newsstand can be put in a folder and tucked away. Google "hide newsstand" for the trick instructions. Very easy. I did it on my first attempt.
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fyi, you cannot use newsstand when you do this. it will crash. Newsstand is essentially its own folder that collects newsstand apps. I personally don't get why people are freaking out. there are a number of system icons that can't be put in folders..
 
Shurs said:
Shit.

Just read that someone with a developer account and a music collection of over 25,000 songs got this message when trying to sign up for iTunes Match: "Your library contains too many songs. To participate in iTunes Match, your library must contain no more than 25,000 songs that were not purchased from the iTunes Store."

I have a collection of over 44,000 songs.

I really want to use iTunes Match for my mobile devices, but I don't feel like paring 20,000 songs from my music collection.

Hopefully Apple will come up with a workaround, but I gotta say this sucks for me.
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That does kind of suck. I wonder why they just don't charge a bit more for having a bunch more songs.
 
Shurs said:
Shit.

Just read that someone with a developer account and a music collection of over 25,000 songs got this message when trying to sign up for iTunes Match: "Your library contains too many songs. To participate in iTunes Match, your library must contain no more than 25,000 songs that were not purchased from the iTunes Store."

I have a collection of over 44,000 songs.

I really want to use iTunes Match for my mobile devices, but I don't feel like paring 20,000 songs from my music collection.

Hopefully Apple will come up with a workaround, but I gotta say this sucks for me.
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FWIW, it's pretty likely that using the competing Google or Amazon services would cost you $100s a year since both of those are doing space-usage based pricing and your 44k songs have gotta be, like, huge--especially since I'm guessing anyone who likes music enough to have that much of it also has good enough ears to want it in decent quality ;)

Amazon Cloud Drive: $100/year for 100 GB or $200/year for 200 GB. I've got around 10,000 songs total and they add up to 67 gigs and a lot of mine were ripped at 192 CBR back in the day, so I'm guessing you'd be between 100GB and 200GB, maybe even higher.
 
Stumpokapow said:
FWIW, it's pretty likely that using the competing Google or Amazon services would cost you $100s a year since both of those are doing space-usage based pricing and your 44k songs have gotta be, like, huge--especially since I'm guessing anyone who likes music enough to have that much of it also has good enough ears to want it in decent quality ;)

Amazon Cloud Drive: $100/year for 100 GB or $200/year for 200 GB. I've got around 10,000 songs total and they add up to 67 gigs and a lot of mine were ripped at 192 CBR back in the day, so I'm guessing you'd be between 100GB and 200GB, maybe even higher.
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254 GB.

I've essentially cataloged every disc I've listened to over the years, keeping full albums in lieu of just collecting what I consider the best songs -- as I have a 22GB "Favorites" playlist for that.

I've got to figure something out. Maybe two libraries would work; though I'm leery of going that route, as every time I've tried to maintain two iTunes libraries, I've messed something up and have had to start over again, dragging and dropping my entire collection into iTunes and having it process for hours on end.

Obviously, I'm the exception to the rule, and it would be unrealistic for Apple to accomodate someone like me. That said, I had assumed I would be able to choose the music from my collection that would be contained in the 250GB offered in iTunes Match.
 
One thing that still gives me the shits...

You have to traverse 4 or 5 menus just to turn 3G on/off. I'm constantly switching back and forth and like to turn off 3G when I have Wifi available so I can preserve battery, so it's really irritating.

Anyone else?
 
Kermit The Dog said:
One thing that still gives me the shits...

You have to traverse 4 or 5 menus just to turn 3G on/off. I'm constantly switching back and forth and like to turn off 3G when I have Wifi available so I can preserve battery, so it's really irritating.

Anyone else?
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Me personally, I don't bother turning 3G off unless I'm in area with a consistently low 3G signal.
 
to be honest, there's no reason to be that anal about battery usage. it stands to reason that if Apple purposefully didn't provide an easy means to change that setting regularly, they don't mean for it to be changed.
 
It's not about being anal, I just see a massive difference between using 3G out and about as opposed to WiFi. I stream football radio at work and it drains the battery, but at home or on wifi the battery probably lasts 20 - 30 percent longer. That's crucial when I have no means to charge.

I know there's fixes in jailbreak versions, but I can't be arsed fiddling with that.
 
A friend of mine's having trouble activating iMessage on his 3GS. Frustrating, since it'd be nice to be able to text him via wifi from a few places where I get zero reception.
 
Kermit The Dog said:
One thing that still gives me the shits...

You have to traverse 4 or 5 menus just to turn 3G on/off. I'm constantly switching back and forth and like to turn off 3G when I have Wifi available so I can preserve battery, so it's really irritating.

Anyone else?
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Why would you turn off 3G? It makes no sense at all.
 
rezuth said:
Why would you turn off 3G? It makes no sense at all.
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Kermit The Dog said:
It's not about being anal, I just see a massive difference between using 3G out and about as opposed to WiFi. I stream football radio at work and it drains the battery, but at home or on wifi the battery probably lasts 20 - 30 percent longer. That's crucial when I have no means to charge.
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Shurs said:
254 GB.

I've essentially cataloged every disc I've listened to over the years, keeping full albums in lieu of just collecting what I consider the best songs -- as I have a 22GB "Favorites" playlist for that.

I've got to figure something out. Maybe two libraries would work; though I'm leery of going that route, as every time I've tried to maintain two iTunes libraries, I've messed something up and have had to start over again, dragging and dropping my entire collection into iTunes and having it process for hours on end.

Obviously, I'm the exception to the rule, and it would be unrealistic for Apple to accomodate someone like me. That said, I had assumed I would be able to choose the music from my collection that would be contained in the 250GB offered in iTunes Match.
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I'm bummed by this too. I would be all over iTunes Match if my library weren't at 34,000 and growing every day. There's a ton of stuff in there I don't listen to regularly so my eventual workaround may be to just have two different libraries, one with the stuff I want on the cloud, one with everything.
 
Kermit The Dog said:
It's not about being anal, I just see a massive difference between using 3G out and about as opposed to WiFi. I stream football radio at work and it drains the battery, but at home or on wifi the battery probably lasts 20 - 30 percent longer. That's crucial when I have no means to charge.

I know there's fixes in jailbreak versions, but I can't be arsed fiddling with that.
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You're wasting your time. The difference between turning off 3G or not when on Wifi is negligible at best. Once you're on wifi it's not using the 3G.

I don't ever turn off wifi, 3G, bluetooth, any of that stuff, and my battery life is fine. iOS is like automatic transmission for your phone. Let it do it's thing.
 
Kermit The Dog said:
One thing that still gives me the shits...

You have to traverse 4 or 5 menus just to turn 3G on/off. I'm constantly switching back and forth and like to turn off 3G when I have Wifi available so I can preserve battery, so it's really irritating.

Anyone else?
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Odd that you get digestive problems from that.

On a serious note, the power bar widget is the one thing I really miss from Android, I always had that in it.
 
Kermit The Dog said:
It's not about being anal, I just see a massive difference between using 3G out and about as opposed to WiFi. I stream football radio at work and it drains the battery, but at home or on wifi the battery probably lasts 20 - 30 percent longer. That's crucial when I have no means to charge.
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If you going to be streaming radio like that work, then just get a charger. Turning 3G off when you are already connected to Wi-Fi isn't going to do much for you, unless you have a really bad 3G signal at your job.
 
Jasoco said:
I always got my iOS5 betas and GM from imzdl. It's the most trusted source you could have during the beta aside from Apple themselves.
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Which means should not be trusted at all. If someone gets a Beta or GM release of iOS from anywhere but Apple, then it's not Apple's fault in any way if the phone is bricked or all the data is lost.

Developers are told explicitly and repeatedly in all the documentation and forums to not install any of the Betas on their day-to-day device. Also, it is made evident that every Beta is going to expire. As far as Apple is concerned, there is no data any device that has a Beta release on it worthy of retention.

As an anecdote, I suspect that they train the Apple Store staff to look out for it, too. I took my iPhone in for dust under the screen during the Beta, and the guy instantly recognized that iOS 5 was on it (Newstand folder). I have a feeling that he was going to become much less helpful if the problem was going to be software related. "Get iOS 5 Beta off there, and we'll talk." That's just a guess, though.

Don't install iOS Betas unless you are willing to lose your all of your data permanently.
 
Did anyone else get the message today their phone is not registered as a part of the iPhone Developer program?

I just came home, haven't been able to use my phone all day. My dev license lasts until fall 2012.
 
Syracuse022 said:
I'm bummed by this too. I would be all over iTunes Match if my library weren't at 34,000 and growing every day. There's a ton of stuff in there I don't listen to regularly so my eventual workaround may be to just have two different libraries, one with the stuff I want on the cloud, one with everything.
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So, I'm in the process of starting a second "Archive" Library where I'll keep everything. Then, I'll pare down my main Library to less than 25,000 songs. It'll be time consuming, but it should be interesting.
 
thewesker said:
You're wrong. The GM was provided to devs on the developer site, which is the final version and does not expire. Devs should have upgraded to the GM the second it was available. Backup with the latest beta, then restore with the GM. No data lost.

If you're going to use a beta or try to get in early on a release, don't blame Apple if you aren't paying attention. (Especially if you're not actually a developer. There's a reason Apple says to only put betas on devices intended for testing.)
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I use my beta on a device intended for testing of the apps i develop.

It also happens to be my phone. Whether it's my phone or not is actually irrelevant: the fact is that, because the beta expired, that phone was rendered useless, testing or personal phone, and that the only way out of it was to download an ipsw which is not provided by apple directly.

My beta was provided by apple's website. Last night, there was no way to upgrade it from the beta. If you're arguing that because you missed the GM, you're supposed to accept the phone can't be upgraded/used anymore, and that's the most logical way to go about it, you are an idiot. It is clearly poor design when even iTunes tells you 'please upgrade the phone os', and changes its mind to 'sorry, your phone is up to date'.

There are plenty of good reasons for not upgrading constantly to the last beta, and the price for it shouldn't be turn your phone into a temporary brick. It is incredibly poor design.
 
it seems like a lot of people are just figuring that out. I think Apple should have made that more explicit. like maintain a slight "throbbing" of that icon on the lock screen so people will look to it as a touchable object.
 
LCfiner said:
it seems like a lot of people are just figuring that out. I think Apple should have made that more explicit. like maintain a slight "throbbing" of that icon on the lock screen so people will look to it as a touchable object.
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A mate at work couldn't work out how this worked the first day after the upgrade. I even told him to slide across the notification and he tried everything except the most obvious, i.e. pick up the icon and slide it left to right THE SAME WAY AS YOU WOULD UNLOCK THE PHONE FROM THE SAME SCREEN! D:
 
I guess it's not something you really HAVE to know... I mean it's really only useful for when you have more than one notification and want to choose where to go. But it was a really awesome thing to just stumble across.
 
harriet the spy said:
Whether it's my phone or not is actually irrelevant:
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That is relevant. It is stated time and again not to use Beta software on your day-to-day device. Perhaps, I am wrong, but what happens if you plug the phone in and set it up as a new phone, won't it get you the public release of iOS? I don't think that there's any need to use non-Apple provided ipsw in this scenario. At the very least, you can certainly DFU it, right?

harriet the spy said:
There are plenty of good reasons for not upgrading constantly to the last beta, and the price for it shouldn't be turn your phone into a temporary brick. It is incredibly poor design.
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I'm not exactly sure what a good reason to not be on the Beta upgrade chain as a developer. You might be in the middle of testing a feature right when the new Beta comes out, sure, but that shouldn't be a week's worth of work to prevent you from taking the new Beta in a timely manner. You can have a circumstance that will remove your ability to upgrade the Beta in time, but this is an outlier; not a good reason. In that event, you are capable of DFU'ing the device.

I wouldn't say that this is poor design. I'd say that it is by design. Apple does not want non-developers using the Beta in any circumstance. They put up as many roadblocks and warnings as they can to keep people from using it. But, they have to allow developers access to the Beta, which means that non-developers are going to get it.
 
LCfiner said:
it seems like a lot of people are just figuring that out. I think Apple should have made that more explicit. like maintain a slight "throbbing" of that icon on the lock screen so people will look to it as a touchable object.
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It seems clear at this point that secondary or optional functions are left to be discovered by the user on purpose.

From the perspective of a new iOS user, especially someone who is new to smartphones in general, do they need to know features like this right off the bat?
 
Tobor said:
It seems clear at this point that secondary or optional functions are left to be discovered by the user on purpose.

From the perspective of a new iOS user, especially someone who is new to smartphones in general, do they need to know features like this right off the bat?
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Hmm, it throbs like 3 times on my iPad and not at all on my iPhone. Does anyone else experience this? I wonder why there is the difference.
 
harriet the spy said:
I use my beta on a device intended for testing of the apps i develop.

It also happens to be my phone. Whether it's my phone or not is actually irrelevant: the fact is that, because the beta expired, that phone was rendered useless, testing or personal phone, and that the only way out of it was to download an ipsw which is not provided by apple directly.

My beta was provided by apple's website. Last night, there was no way to upgrade it from the beta. If you're arguing that because you missed the GM, you're supposed to accept the phone can't be upgraded/used anymore, and that's the most logical way to go about it, you are an idiot. It is clearly poor design when even iTunes tells you 'please upgrade the phone os', and changes its mind to 'sorry, your phone is up to date'.

There are plenty of good reasons for not upgrading constantly to the last beta, and the price for it shouldn't be turn your phone into a temporary brick. It is incredibly poor design.
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It is not a temporary brick, you can always restore to the newest version from iTunes.
 
Tobor said:
It seems clear at this point that secondary or optional functions are left to be discovered by the user on purpose.

From the perspective of a new iOS user, especially someone who is new to smartphones in general, do they need to know features like this right off the bat?
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I agree with this in general (good example being the double tap switching tray. totally optional for multitasking) but I find that the lock screen slide shortcut to be so important that it should be considered as the main way to access the app responsible for the notification and not a shortcut. that's why I'm thinking about the visual behavior of that icon.
 
Tobor said:
It seems clear at this point that secondary or optional functions are left to be discovered by the user on purpose.

From the perspective of a new iOS user, especially someone who is new to smartphones in general, do they need to know features like this right off the bat?
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It seems a lot of long-time users aren't discovering these features at all; and they only find out when it's explicitly demonstrated by an 'expert'.
 
LCfiner said:
I agree with this in general (good example being the double tap switching tray. totally optional for multitasking) but I find that the lock screen slide shortcut to be so important that it should be considered as the main way to access the app responsible for the notification and not a shortcut. that's why I'm thinking about the visual behavior of that icon.
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I'm not sure I get what you mean by the bolded.

Greyface said:
It seems a lot of long-time users aren't discovering these features at all; and they only find out when it's explicitly demonstrated by an 'expert'.
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The question is, does Apple consider that a mistake, or is it intended? I think it's intended.
 
Tobor said:
The question is, does Apple consider that a mistake, or is it intended? I think it's intended.
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I'm sure it's intended by Apple, but the question should be, is that intension a mistake? Some of these features that are left not as obvious to the end user can either hinder the experience by not being known or enhance someone's usage by being known.
 
Tobor said:
I'm not sure I get what you mean by the bolded.



The question is, does Apple consider that a mistake, or is it intended? I think it's intended.
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what I mean is that sliding that icon to get to your mail or messages app (or tiny tower) shouldn’t be considered the secondary way to get there; the shortcut that does not need to be explicitly stated (like multitouch app switching gestures on ipad 2)

I think Apple should treat that motion like the primary way to access those apps from the lock screen and make it more obvious that you can slide the icon over to do so.

The main reason why I think this is because if someone doesn’t know about it, then their way to get into the app is a bit more cumbersome. you either need to unlock and then search for the page the app is located on or swipe down into notification centre and find the notification that you want to respond to. it’s a few more swipes and taps than what I think should be expected by the user.

in the grand scheme of things, this is not a deal breaker but I think more users would benefit from a more obvious signal that the swipe can be initiated from the lock screen.
 
Anybody have any issues getting twitter confirmation emails in iCloud mail?

At first they would initially start to pop-up, then disappear. Now they won't go through at all. But all kinds of other emails are getting through so I'm confused.
 
LCfiner said:
what I mean is that sliding that icon to get to your mail or messages app (or tiny tower) shouldn’t be considered the secondary way to get there; the shortcut that does not need to be explicitly stated (like multitouch app switching gestures on ipad 2)

I think Apple should treat that motion like the primary way to access those apps from the lock screen and make it more obvious that you can slide the icon over to do so.

The main reason why I think this is because if someone doesn’t know about it, then their way to get into the app is a bit more cumbersome. you either need to unlock and then search for the page the app is located on or swipe down into notification centre and find the notification that you want to respond to. it’s a few more swipes and taps than what I think should be expected by the user.

in the grand scheme of things, this is not a deal breaker but I think more users would benefit from a more obvious signal that the swipe can be initiated from the lock screen.
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I don't even think most people realize this exists either.
 
Marty Chinn said:
I'm sure it's intended by Apple, but the question should be, is that intension a mistake? Some of these features that are left not as obvious to the end user can either hinder the experience by not being known or enhance someone's usage by being known.
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I don't think it's a mistake, no. The OS should be simple and clean to a new user.

@LC, unlocking the phone and tapping the email icon will always be seen as the primary method. It would take a massive overhaul for that to change.
 
Tobor said:
I don't think it's a mistake, no. The OS should be simple and clean to a new user.
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Simple and clean is good and all, but it shouldn't also make it feel like it's too tight on restriction when it's not. That can be frustrating to a user when they want to do something, think they can't, but in reality they can but it hasn't been communicated to them. That is a mistake IMO.
 
Ok been using it for more than a week now and I have to say that the iPhone4's battery life definitely seems worse under iOS5.

The battery life got much better after I reset the battery by draining completely and recharging, but even after that there is still a slight difference.

Probably only a 5-10% decrease but I am pretty anal about the battery life of my phone so I notice it.

Wonder if this is because of the increased use of notifications or if it will get better with more OS updates?
 
bionic77 said:
Ok been using it for more than a week now and I have to say that the iPhone4's battery life definitely seems worse under iOS5.

The battery life got much better after I reset the battery by draining completely and recharging, but even after that there is still a slight difference.

Probably only a 5-10% decrease but I am pretty anal about the battery life of my phone so I notice it.

Wonder if this is because of the increased use of notifications or if it will get better with more OS updates?
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I noticed the same. A lot of complaints on official apple forums
 
I wonder if there's anything they can do on the software side to help with the battery issues. It still kicks the shit out of my last phone's battery life but I wasn't expecting to have to charge an iphone every 6hrs...
 
I haven't read the thread, but is anyone else's device running slower and jerkier after updating to iOS 5? Especially the Music app.
 
Cloudy said:
I wonder if there's anything they can do on the software side to help with the battery issues. It still kicks the shit out of my last phone's battery life but I wasn't expecting to have to charge an iphone every 6hrs...
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are there any new "location services" being used? That stuff always seems to be the biggest drainer for me.
 
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