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[Mike Works]

I had to leave my iPhone 5 at home today and decided to write down what the battery was before I left just to see.

In a little over 8 hours, the battery only went down 9%.

Pretty impressive. I guess the hit comes when you're actually, you know, using it.

 

[Tunesmith]

Yeah, with it off. Thanks that's very interesting. So this isn't speculation, but exactly how the API works?

You mention twitter, but twitter doesn't have a background refresh toggle. Do some apps not give you the option? Or maybe it's in settings in the app?

Yes to both,

(love my reception in this room I'm in at the moment)

 

[Guess Who]

Something I'm finding annoying about iOS 7 is that now that it's white all over, there's an apparent green edge to my iPhone 5 that is slightly more prominent. It looks like the back light.

It's not intermittent like the issue that plagued some iPhone 5 (appeared for a split second on lock screen).

Basically, I've probably always had it but the dark edges of old iOS masked most of it.

Did it appear at the bottom of your screen? There's a bit of a bug with wallpapers in iOS 7 with that, not a hardware issue with your phone.

 

[The Real Abed]

Ugh, Instagram. Why? No wonder I don't even bother with the app anymore.

 

[Marcovaldo]

upgraded to ios7 and have lost my jailbrake, completely forgot that apple caps how big an app you can download without wifi. is there an app/work around this limit?

 

[mrkgoo]

Yes to both,



(love my reception in this room I'm in at the moment)

Weird. I have half those apps and they don't show up with background app refresh toggles. For example Facebook, Twitter, speed test and even apple's reminders app. Not there. Weird.

Did it appear at the bottom of your screen? There's a bit of a bug with wallpapers in iOS 7 with that, not a hardware issue with your phone.

Seems like a hardware my wife has hers on ios6 and it can be seen on that too. Haven't heard about the ios7 backgrounds thing. Any link?

 

[Tunesmith]

Weird. I have half those apps and they don't show up with background app refresh toggles. For example Facebook, Twitter, speed test and even apple's reminders app. Not there. Weird.

Outside of rebooting your device, are you certain the apps have been updated to the latest versions? There was an issue with the App Store caching earlier on in the week that failed updates when they were started and then displayed them as updated when they actually weren't. Which in turn made it look like you had the latest version when you actually didn't.

I think the easiest way to resolve that is to download a new app, any app. that would refresh the store cache and prompt any 'missing updates' again.

 

[ecurbj]

Weird. I have half those apps and they don't show up with background app refresh toggles. For example Facebook, Twitter, speed test and even apple's reminders app. Not there. Weird.

It's okay. I just checked my options and I don't have all those refresh toggles either. I guess it must be different versions from different countries I suppose.

I'm from the U.S.

 

[mrkgoo]

Outside of rebooting your device, are you certain the apps have been updated to the latest versions? There was an issue with the App Store caching earlier on in the week that failed updates when they were started and then displayed them as updated when they actually weren't. Which in turn made it look like you had the latest version when you actually didn't.

I think the easiest way to resolve that is to download a new app, any app. that would refresh the store cache and prompt any 'missing updates' again.

It's okay. I just checked my options and I don't have all those refresh toggles either. I guess it must be different versions from different countries I suppose.

I'm from the U.S.

I download all my apps in iTunes and sync across. I'm pretty sure I have updated versions. You can check which versions of apps you have under usage. Of course it may be an issue in that it reports it has updated, but it hasn't. If it counts for anything, I have the ios 7 versions of Facebook and Twitter.

Thing is some apps that are missing toggles are apples built in apps, such as reminders and photos.

I'm in NZ

 

[mrkgoo]

I figured it out.

I was thinking, why does reminders even need to have background refresh? Then it dawned in me. Geofences.

I checked my location services and I have most of those turned off locations. Turned it on for reminders, and made a geofence reminder and it appeared in background app refresh.

Even if I delete the reminder, the toggle remains.

Not sure about photos or speed test though.

 

[Number45]

Anybody having trouble copying/pasting into a text message?

If I copy text or a pic, and then go to messages, and click and hold like I used to, no list of choices (like paste) show up.

I've been getting a similar issue from before iOS 7.

I'd always have to tap to get it to pop up if it isn't popping up.

I've always just tapped for paste.

 

[Tunesmith]

I figured it out.

I was thinking, why does reminders even need to have background refresh? Then it dawned in me. Geofences.

I checked my location services and I have most of those turned off locations. Turned it on for reminders, and made a geofence reminder and it appeared in background app refresh.

Even if I delete the reminder, the toggle remains.

Not sure about photos or speed test though.

I'm in Europe/US (jetsetter yo)

I do allow Facebook to know my location, but not Twitter so it can't be that.

Photos probably pops up in the app refresh when you have photostreams going, particularly shared ones.
Speedtest is probably in there to refresh server lists (also for location).

As for app versions, I have Facebook 6.5.1 and Twitter 5.11

 

[Iacobellis]

People actually use visualizers?

Right? Visualizers are so 10+ years ago.

 

[mrkgoo]

I'm in Europe/US (jetsetter yo)

I do allow Facebook to know my location, but not Twitter so it can't be that.

Photos probably pops up in the app refresh when you have photostreams going, particularly shared ones.
Speedtest is probably in there to refresh server lists (also for location).

As for app versions, I have Facebook 6.5.1 and Twitter 5.11

It's not the only thing no doubt.

I have tons of shared photostreams and they come through fine. No toggle switch in background refresh. Hmmm. I have my OWN photostream off, however.

I also have the speedtest app with locations on.

This is pretty puzzling.

Facebook 6.5.1 and twitter 5.11 also.

 

[Devilgunman]

Just updated my iPad3 to iOS7 and I fucking hate it. Everything turns from smooth to sluggish. There's slowdown everywhere: scrolling a page, typing, opening folders, playing youtube clip. Heck, some embedded youtube couldn't even be played. What a step backward Apple has done. If it's ain't broken, don't fix it.

 

[mrkgoo]

Just updated my iPad3 to iOS7 and I fucking hate it. Everything turns from smooth to sluggish. There's slowdown everywhere: scrolling a page, typing, opening folders, playing youtube clip. Heck, some embedded youtube couldn't even be played. What a step backward Apple has done. If it's ain't broken, don't fix it.

I hear the iPad 3 update is the one to avoid.

iPhone 3G had similar woes updating to iOS 4. They tried to fix it somewhat, and improved performance a little, but it wasn't ideal. Stupid thing was all you got was basically folders. like 80% of the features of iOS4 at the time weren't available for the 3G. No multitasking, no game centre, no backgrounds!

iPad 1 on iOS5 is also a little gimped, but at least you got a ton of features in return.

 

[Fuu]

Yes to both,

(love my reception in this room I'm in at the moment)

Yeah, I'm missin toggles too (Photos, Facebook, Twitter), what gives? I was assuming they weren't implemented yet but I guess that's not the case.

 

[mrkgoo]

Yeah, I'm missin toggles too (Photos, Facebook, Twitter), what gives? I was assuming they weren't implemented yet but I guess that's not the case.

I still think some of them will be location based, depending on how they use locations - they probably use locations to keep tabs on you so it can more quickly assign location to posts or something.

Obviously, not all will use that method. Like Twitter must be something else.

What it DOES mean, however, is that the toggles will only exist if they need to (and once they do, they won't go away, ti would seem), so I'm no longer concerned. I just haven't flagged all the right settings, I guess.

But it might mean that you can't get status and news feed updates in background unless you activate locations, at least once, perhaps. Maybe you can enable locations for facebook once, get the Background App Refresh toggle, then go back and shut locations off.

 

[Brandson]

The App Store on iOS7 on my iPad 3 is terrible. It is extremely slow, as in my iPad will sit there with a white screen while the network activity indicator is active in the top left corner of the screen, but the App Store doesn't actually display anything. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it will start to populate some parts of the screen. Other times it will give up and give me some message about not being able to connect to the App Store. Note that network activity and web browsing both work fine otherwise. I'm on a 150mbps down, 10mbps up internet connection with no current issues.

Updating through the App Store is also royally screwed up. Aside from the above issue, which also occurs on the Update screen of the App Store, sometimes the Update screen will just be blank with no network activity indicated when I know for a fact there are updates for my apps (as in if I manually search for one of my apps on the App Store, it will show there is an update available on the particular App's entry in the App Store). Rebooting sometimes helps, but sometimes not. If I can get the Update screen to show anything, I'll try to update a few apps, then suddenly the Update window will remove the listings of all my apps that still have updates available, and only list the last couple of apps that were already updated, presenting an option to run each of those apps. The missing apps to be updated might re-appear in a few minutes, or after a reboot, or might not.

Other issues that bother me include that you can't tell if the shift button on the keyboard is properly activated when your finger is on top of it, since the arrow that lights up when active is completely covered by your finger. Brilliant design there. You could I suppose study the other shift button to see if that has lit up instead, but that needs to be corrected.

Also, everything feels slower, and the battery is draining much faster, even with automatic updating disabled.

After using iOS 7 for a few days, I get the impression that Jobs would never have released it in this state.

 

[mrkgoo]

The App Store on iOS7 on my iPad 3 is terrible. It is extremely slow, as in my iPad will sit there with a white screen while the network activity indicator is active in the top left corner of the screen, but the App Store doesn't actually display anything. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it will start to populate some parts of the screen. Other times it will give up and give me some message about not being able to connect to the App Store. Note that network activity and web browsing both work fine otherwise. I'm on a 150mbps down, 10mbps up internet connection with no current issues.

Updating through the App Store is also royally screwed up. Aside from the above issue, which also occurs on the Update screen of the App Store, sometimes the Update screen will just be blank with no network activity indicated when I know for a fact there are updates for my apps (as in if I manually search for one of my apps on the App Store, it will show there is an update available on the particular App's entry in the App Store). Rebooting sometimes helps, but sometimes not. If I can get the Update screen to show anything, I'll try to update a few apps, then suddenly the Update window will remove the listings of all my apps that still have updates available, and only list the last couple of apps that were already updated, presenting an option to run each of those apps. The missing apps to be updated might re-appear in a few minutes, or after a reboot, or might not.

Other issues that bother me include that you can't tell if the shift button on the keyboard is properly activated when your finger is on top of it, since the arrow that lights up when active is completely covered by your finger. Brilliant design there. You could I suppose study the other shift button to see if that has lit up instead, but that needs to be corrected.

Also, everything feels slower, and the battery is draining much faster, even with automatic updating disabled.

After using iOS 7 for a few days, I get the impression that Jobs would never have released it in this state.

I doubt Steve Jobs has anything to do with anything here. It's not as if iOS versions that shipped under his watch were totally bug free, or ran super great on older devices.

iOS 7 has a lot of quirks, just like every other release, and many of these get ironed out over time.

But I hear you on the iPad3 - probably best not to upgrade that thing, from what I hear.

 

[Tunesmith]

The App Store on iOS7 on my iPad 3 is terrible. It is extremely slow, as in my iPad will sit there with a white screen while the network activity indicator is active in the top left corner of the screen, but the App Store doesn't actually display anything. Sometimes, after a few minutes, it will start to populate some parts of the screen. Other times it will give up and give me some message about not being able to connect to the App Store. Note that network activity and web browsing both work fine otherwise. I'm on a 150mbps down, 10mbps up internet connection with no current issues.

Updating through the App Store is also royally screwed up. Aside from the above issue, which also occurs on the Update screen of the App Store, sometimes the Update screen will just be blank with no network activity indicated when I know for a fact there are updates for my apps (as in if I manually search for one of my apps on the App Store, it will show there is an update available on the particular App's entry in the App Store). Rebooting sometimes helps, but sometimes not. If I can get the Update screen to show anything, I'll try to update a few apps, then suddenly the Update window will remove the listings of all my apps that still have updates available, and only list the last couple of apps that were already updated, presenting an option to run each of those apps. The missing apps to be updated might re-appear in a few minutes, or after a reboot, or might not.

Other issues that bother me include that you can't tell if the shift button on the keyboard is properly activated when your finger is on top of it, since the arrow that lights up when active is completely covered by your finger. Brilliant design there. You could I suppose study the other shift button to see if that has lit up instead, but that needs to be corrected.

Also, everything feels slower, and the battery is draining much faster, even with automatic updating disabled.

After using iOS 7 for a few days, I get the impression that Jobs would never have released it in this state.

Sometimes I wonder what's "wrong" with my iPad 3, as in I don't get these performance issues that many are experiencing. It stutters ever so often sure, but other than that iOS 7 runs really smoothly on it (and reading GAF there are others in my situation as well). I wonder why there's such a difference between seemingly some iPad 3 models and others.

 

[Got the Shakes]

Sometimes I wonder what's "wrong" with my iPad 3, as in I don't get these performance issues and many are experiencing. It stutters ever so often sure, but other than that iOS 7 runs really smoothly on it (and reading GAF there are others in my situation as well). I wonder why there's such a difference between seemingly some iPad 3 models and others.

You aren't the only one. My iPad 3 is basically running as smooth on iOS7 as it was on iOS 6. I feel for those who have ended up with huge performance hits though.

 

[Number45]

Sometimes I wonder what's "wrong" with my iPad 3, as in I don't get these performance issues and many are experiencing. It stutters ever so often sure, but other than that iOS 7 runs really smoothly on it (and reading GAF there are others in my situation as well). I wonder why there's such a difference between seemingly some iPad 3 models and others.

You aren't the only one. My iPad 3 is basically running as smooth on iOS7 as it was on iOS 6. I feel for those who have ended up with huge performance hits though.

Same here, iPad 3 and zero complaints.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Need some help. So my Dropbox app is stuck as 'waiting'

I nothing happens when I click it. It's not downloading or installing. If I try to delete it the 'X' does not show up for it when I make the app icons shake. I've tried restarting my phone, no luck. Oddly enough, it doesn't even come up under search, but if search for the app through the App Store I an actualy open it by clicking open and it runs perfectly.

How can I fix this?

 

[Maninthemirror]

You press it to make it jump again or see in apps update tab if there are any other apps which are just updating, one solution is to go to the App Store, hit the stop button and restart again and if that didnt work reboot your phone

 

[alterno69]

Need some help. So my Dropbox app is stuck as 'waiting'

I nothing happens when I click it. It's not downloading or installing. If I try to delete it the 'X' does not show up for it when I make the app icons shake. I've tried restarting my phone, no luck. Oddly enough, it doesn't even come up under search, but if search for the app through the App Store I an actualy open it by clicking open and it runs perfectly.

How can I fix this?

Maybe you ran out of space for the install?

 

[Particle Physicist]

You press it to make it jump again or see in apps update tab if there are any other apps which are just updating, one solution is to go to the App Store, hit the stop button and restart again and if that didnt work reboot your phone

Like I said, if I check the App Store the only option it gives me is to open the app. Which I actually does, and the app works just fine if I open it that way. Restarting my phone doesn't do anything.

 

[Particle Physicist]

Maybe you ran out of space for the install?

I have 3GB free, haven't deleted anything and I have been able to update other apps.

 

[Maninthemirror]

I have 3GB free, haven't deleted anything and I have been able to update other apps.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4074945?start=15&tstart=0

 

[Talon]

I have 3GB free, haven't deleted anything and I have been able to update other apps.

Try one of these two things:
1. Reboot your phone.
2. Delete the Dropbox app and download it again.

 

[infiniteloop]

7.0.2 is out

 

[Kabuto]

iOS 7.0.2 is out

edit: beaten

 

[Particle Physicist]

Try one of these two things:
1. Reboot your phone.
2. Delete the Dropbox app and download it again.

Rebooting does nothing. It won't let me delete the app.

App Store doesn't give me the option to delete or reinstall. Guess I'll try deleting through iTunes when I get back

 

[Talon]

Rebooting does nothing. It won't let me delete the app.

App Store doesn't give me the option to delete or reinstall. Guess I'll try deleting through iTunes when I get back

Huh. Never been able to not delete a waiting application. Bizarre.

 

[Maninthemirror]

iOS 7.0.2 is out

edit: beaten

Are you on a non iphone 5 phone ? My update size is 20 meg

 

[Number45]

Mine was 17 as well, 4S (UK).

EDIT: Checked again, mine's actually 19.5MB.

 

[Fair Trial]

Kinda dig the new look, but no option for turning on/off mobile data in the control center is disappointing...

 

[Tunesmith]

I have 3GB free, haven't deleted anything and I have been able to update other apps.

Try signing out of your Apple ID in the Store settings, restart the phone and or Reset Network Settings in your Settings menu. Sometimes network calls gets stuck and this sort of thing happens, I've had it happen myself.

 

[Deku Tree]

Apple releases iOS 7.0.2

 

[SnakeXs]

Kinda dig the new look, but no option for turning on/off mobile data in the control center is disappointing...

You can turn on airplane mode and then wifi back on. Calls won't come through but hey, if you want a quick way to do it it's something.

 

[Fair Trial]

You can turn on airplane mode and then wifi back on. Calls won't come through but hey, if you want a quick way to do it it's something.

I meant mobile network like 3G and 4G.

 

[Auron_Kale]

Two days ago it was a spontaneous reset, this morning? My 4s decided to shut down completely (it was at 100%) and stop working until I turned it back on with the old home button + power button kickstart.

Turned back on and is completely fine.

Either my phone is trying to tell me to upgrade or it's just a glitch in ios 7 right now...

 

[Buddha Beam]

OK, is there some design guide or something for making iPad wallpapers? I need to make a wallpaper for something at work and apparently because of the parallax backgrounds, you can no longer scale the photo. It just takes it and blows the thing up in the center. You can move it around, but you can't shrink it.

Is there some way to get a background that is perfectly fit to the device in a certain mode? I guess I have to make a square now and put everything smaller in the center...

 

[Kabuto]

Are you on a non iphone 5 phone ? My update size is 20 meg

that actually wasn't my photo but yeah I'm on a 4S.

 

[SnakeXs]

I meant mobile network like 3G and 4G.

Exactly. By turning your phone to airplane mode and then turning wifi back on you'll allow it to let data in through wifi, but not through mobile networks.

 

[killertofu]

Ummm

Was the "Messages" and "Contact" buttons on iOS7 always gray or am I imagining things

 

[zigg]

7.0.2 is out

Oh, good, I can use my Greek passcode again.

(Seriously, happy to be able to re-enable CC in lock.)

 

[Pachimari]

Exactly. By turning your phone to airplane mode and then turning wifi back on you'll allow it to let data in through wifi, but not through mobile networks.

So what will one do if there's no wifi connection? Then no internet.

It would be great if there were a Cellular on/off in the Control Center for 3G/4G. Dumb move not to have it.

 

[chickdigger802]

Exactly. By turning your phone to airplane mode and then turning wifi back on you'll allow it to let data in through wifi, but not through mobile networks.

thinking more for the people that want to turn off data yet still be able to call.

some people actually do get the cheap 200mb/month plan.

 

[Skel1ingt0n]

Same here, iPad 3 and zero complaints.

I'll add myself to the bunch - no huge issues running 7 on my iPad 3.

Though, I will say, the iPad 3 was never particularly fast to begin with.