VanMardigan
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josephdebono said:
MS is doing the same thing with both Twitter and FB on Windows Phone 7. As long as other companies can release apps, it shouldn't be a problem.
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MS is doing the same thing with both Twitter and FB on Windows Phone 7. As long as other companies can release apps, it shouldn't be a problem.
I can't imagine them pushing out a number revision without 4g. Not buying it.Crazymoogle said:
Edit: From a mobile architecture standpoint, there is no group that aspires to be perfectionists like apple IMO. Looking at the system on chip designs that apple does and the battery life they able to squeeze out of their designs there is no way they can do it without better LTE chipsets.
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I'm kind of with you. I don't think they would hold onto the iPhone 5 name until they have 4G, but I suspect that whatever the next phone is will have it assuming things keep improving in power consumption and size.MThanded said:
LCfiner said:
This is a major problem for android IMO. There's little doubt that mobile computing is the future of consumer computing - wireless connectivity to keyboards, mice, monitors, wireless induction power, cloud computing, and eventually even high quality HMDs - are all technologies that are more synergistic with mobile computing than traditional desktop/laptop computing.
But if developers on android are earning a 1/3rd of what the competitor OSes are per unit - it wouldn't even be possible to match competing OS revenue/profits much less surpass them.
Most of this stems from the user mindset, but also from the poor organization of the android market. It behooves google, if they want their platform to be taken seriously in the future - if they want to keep growing and expanding their mobile computing marketshare, to support developers in earnest. After all - when people start moving to mobile devices, and you don't have the right set of programs - because you're not incentivizing the people making them, then what's the point of your platform? It's certainly not better for me as a consumer as another platform that does have all the apps.
Perhaps one compromise that might work is to have two markets; one curated and one non-curated - the curated marketplace takes priority, and has an apple like submission and even pricing process. It appears prominently on the market - but if users want to tackle the uncurated market - the option is available to them too; via a small link to the alternative marketplace. In this market, you don't need to pass the submission process from google.
The main difference is one of visibility - curated market has the highest visibility, and some users may assume that it is the only available market (because they're unobservant jerks) - it behooves developers to get onto it if they want to make money. The other is the market that allows Google to assuage its company values.
VanMardigan said:
I'm actually not very up to do date on WP7, but just having an app and having 'some' apps which have been graced with features which no other app could ever achieve on their own is strange IMO. If you installed the FB app on iOS5, would you be able to share photos, posts, etc, in the same fashion and ease you get with the built-in Twitter integration?
LTE is still infantile. It needs a lot more than 12 months to start walking IMO. I may be wrong but the LTE rollout has a ways to goLCfiner said:
Actually if Apple drops a Wimax iphone 5 before an LTE iphone 5 I would not be shocked. Mainly because there are less customers to service and a better understanding of the 4g coverage.
MrJollyLivesNextDoor
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Leshita said:1080p 30fps video sounds good, hope the picture quality is great too. Damn, who needs an SLR?
I do hope the iPhone's camera can approach SLR quality in the future as I just sold my SLR a while back.
if apple ever find the space to fit a massive sensor along with a massive lens to go with it then i'm sure it'll be more than possible.
Being more realistic about it, a decent flash would help loads. I've got a Samsung pixon from a few years back and whilst it nowhere near on par with my SLR it's certainly replaced my point and shoot.
Kermit The Dog
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I look forward to hurling my iPhone 3GS from a moving vehicle next Friday. It served me well over 2.5 years, but the spiderweb cracks are beginning to grate, the vibration component gives off a loud rattle, the white back is now a dirty, scuffed cream-coloured mess and the lock button hasn't worked for 6 months, the home button is temperamental and the volume buttons cracked and fell out.
Take my cash, Apple.
Take my cash, Apple.
planar1280
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Kermit The Dog said:
can you just mail it to me? I will pay for the shipment.
VanMardigan
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josephdebono said:
Integration makes everything easier, of course, but if you're not being "shut out", why would we want to limit the OS' ability to make interaction with the most popular services possible? The FB integration is a HUGE reason I love my Windows Phone. The one company that could whine about it is Google (because of +), but if you think Google won't integrate plus into their OS at some point you're crazy. It's a competitive advantage, and as long as no one is being left out (Google can make a G+ app on iOS or WP7), then as a consumer, I don't mind.
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damn, this is the first time I have not had any urge to upgrade to their new phone. my iphone 4 doesn't seem like much of a downgrade to this one... guess I will wait for a proper upgrade and skip on this one.
VanMardigan said:
You're not understanding my point. I'm not saying OS integration is a bad thing (at all) it's just that it isn't a public API which anyone can hook on to. Using your example, all Google had to do is release the G+ app, which they already did (as a standalone app) and the integration with Android was complete. Every place there is a share button, G+ shows up, together with Twitter, Facebook, Dropbox, Gmail, Picasa, SMS app, etc. When creating an app you can 'subscribe' to the share button and you get integration that way. Anyone can achieve exactly the same 'integration' without requiring changes to the OS or signing contracts with the company that made the OS. That's all.
Edit: Dammit I just realized there's an iOS5 thread. Sorry guys. Ignore my posts.
VanMardigan
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josephdebono said:
Integration requires deeper hooks to the OS than apps are typically given, thus an API would be a big no-no, at least on iOS and WP7. Because Apple and MS value the stability and integrity of their OS, deeper integration like the examples I gave with FB and Twiiter will (and should) remain at the discretion of the OS creators.
I'll add that there IS some of that available on WP7 and Android, for example apps CAN integrate into search results, into menus such as picture sharing, music playing, etc. but there is still some areas where only the integrated apps can venture, and I would argue that its the right approach given all the "bad" apps that are created all the time, I'd hate my WP7 phone be brought to a standstill because a third party app was given too much access.
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ecurbj said:
Cool thanks
Were the 3GS's built worse than the 3G? I've had my 3G now since April of '09 and all the buttons work the same as the day I bought it. Only scratches on it were caused by the case I use but otherwise it's in very good condition. iOS 4.0 did more to break the phone than anything else but that's another issue. So wish I never upgraded to 4.0...
I was really looking forward to a bigger screen. The camera was the second thing that was most important to me so in that regard the 4S will do. Not a fan of the shape though to be honest. I prefer the rounded back of the 3G cause it doesn't stick out as much in my pocket.
But it's time for an upgrade. Coming from an 8GB 3G to a 64GB 4S is going to be a nice improvement. And a camera that doesn't suck. But it will always nag me that the phone isn't really the one I wanted. If next years phone has a bigger screen I'll eat SoftBank's exorbitant upgrade fee and get it. Then every two years when I upgrade it will be a new design.
I was really looking forward to a bigger screen. The camera was the second thing that was most important to me so in that regard the 4S will do. Not a fan of the shape though to be honest. I prefer the rounded back of the 3G cause it doesn't stick out as much in my pocket.
But it's time for an upgrade. Coming from an 8GB 3G to a 64GB 4S is going to be a nice improvement. And a camera that doesn't suck. But it will always nag me that the phone isn't really the one I wanted. If next years phone has a bigger screen I'll eat SoftBank's exorbitant upgrade fee and get it. Then every two years when I upgrade it will be a new design.
Mihael Mello Keehl
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so for existing att customers with a Iphone 4 already do we get a upgrade discount or something?
LyleLanley
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'Real Racing 2' to Support iPhone 4S's A5 and Split Screen AirPlay
Woah, this looks like it could be awesome.
Woah, this looks like it could be awesome.
Horse Detective
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I don't care about Siri. I honestly never saw what was appealing about any form of voice recognition software. The only thing that appeals to me about this is the hardware bump, especially the camera, because I use the one on my iPhone more than my dslr.
Seeing as notifications, and the overall function of iOS5 will be the same on both (minus Siri) I think I will hold off. The Hype for me has aways been directed towards iOS5 for the passed months, and I would rather save that upgrade until Apple releases something a little more innovational then an identical product with a camera and processor boost...
Seeing as notifications, and the overall function of iOS5 will be the same on both (minus Siri) I think I will hold off. The Hype for me has aways been directed towards iOS5 for the passed months, and I would rather save that upgrade until Apple releases something a little more innovational then an identical product with a camera and processor boost...
BruiserBear
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So I really don't have a reason to get this new iPhone. The biggest appeal for me is the better camera and video, as I really love not having to haul a separate camera anywhere I go.
So just out of curiosity, how much do you think I could get for my 32gb iPhone 4 right now? If I could literally do an even swap, it might just make sense to get a 4S right now.
So just out of curiosity, how much do you think I could get for my 32gb iPhone 4 right now? If I could literally do an even swap, it might just make sense to get a 4S right now.
Ken Masters
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what's the RAM on this phone?
Crazymoogle
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LCfiner said:
Agreed.
I don't think LTE/WiMax matters, simply because all it is going to offer is more bandwidth at the cost of battery life. Apple doesn't care about that - the whole selling point of the phone is what they are doing on the software side with iOS. LTE/WiMax will be great bulletpoints when they're ready, but history has clearly shown they will do their yearly refresh as they improve the software, regardless of what hardware is ready. Anyone who thinks this announcement was overhyped - just wait until next year. Even with a new shell the rumor mills are going to run out of print.
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I'll be jumping from 3GS to 4S. So, what's the best option to save all data (music, photos, apps, numbers, messages, notes) from the 3GS to transfer it to the 4S?
I don't actually use the synchronisation, because I mostly drag my music directely on the iPhone.
I don't actually use the synchronisation, because I mostly drag my music directely on the iPhone.
Should be uncovered through a simple software call. That's how the original iPad's 256MB was found on its launch day: http://furbo.org/2010/04/03/benchmarking-in-your-lap/JonCha said:
I'm sure reviewers will run Geekbench right away too: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/geekbench-2/id377657310?mt=8
Tralfamadore64
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When should we know what the availability will be for the device on launch or how long it will take to replenish supplies once they're depleted, even just based on past iPhone launches?
I've talked to ATT, and they won't let me upgrade two weeks early or preorder in anticipation of upgrading on the 1st of November, but my current phone is almost shot and I'd like to make the switch as soon as possible.
I've talked to ATT, and they won't let me upgrade two weeks early or preorder in anticipation of upgrading on the 1st of November, but my current phone is almost shot and I'd like to make the switch as soon as possible.
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planar1280 said:
Well that's just asking to get mugged.
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Zekes! said:
The 4 is dropping to $99. If you don't want what the 4S is offering, then by all means grab the regular version. It's still a great phone and a bargain at that price. You should be able to pick one up today.
RubxQub said:
Kind of in the same boat. I'm not super happy with AT&T, although I haven't had particularly bad experience with them either. I'm considering going to Verizon just because their coverage is so much better, but the HSPDA data speeds are enticing me to stay.
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TommyT said:
Yes, but I think I've done that exactly one time on AT&T so not something I'll miss. But good for you paying attention to all those AT&T Ads!
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1. Does the white model smudge or discolor easily?
2. Those of you who go caseless, is the screen pretty resistant to scratching?
3. Did the VZW internet speeds increase or just ATT's? (I don't know what HSDPA is)
2. Those of you who go caseless, is the screen pretty resistant to scratching?
3. Did the VZW internet speeds increase or just ATT's? (I don't know what HSDPA is)
Kung Fu Jedi said:Yes, but I think I've done that exactly one time on AT&T so not something I'll miss. But good for you paying attention to all those AT&T Ads!
lol I was told this my by GF actually. This doesn't sound like something I'd never do as I've never done it. So if it's nothing you're concerned with and aware of then more power to you!
So what's the deal with Bluetooth 4.0? Does it require a 4.0 headset to get the advantages? I have the new Mac Mini and still get audio that's out of sync. I'd like to pick up a wireless headset to use with the iPhone4S. They all work with VoiceControl/Siri or should I be looking for a special bullet point on the specs list?
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bbagwell said:
I can do that?
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Yeah. Assuming they don't wipe any iCloud restores or something like that once the official release is out there.Patrick Bateman said:I can do that?
The first thing your phone prompts you for when you get a new one with iOS5 on it is your iCloud information so you can restore from a backup if you have one. It's like instantly getting all the crap from your old phone in exactly the same way onto your new device.
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