CharminUltra
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I may not, but judging by the number of phones Apple is selling even after all the scuffgate reports, it looks like they know how this business works a whole lot more than you do.
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Problem is LTE is in some cases 3-5x faster than wifi.
Oh, yes, I don't blame him for choosing it. I'm just explaining why the unlimited data plans aren't coming back.
The_Inquisitor
Member
Last speed test was 43Mb/s.
I wonder how long until every day people start to realize their wireless internet connection is faster than wifi, and complain about the caps.
Yep. Once the camera is up to snuff, they'll add the feature.
SlowRevolution
Member
Never knew about this, great feature. Was it just added in iOS 6?
jts
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acquire apple 5
Most people don't know or don't care about those details. Not everyone is looking macrumors, you know. And Apple will continue to sell any shit they release, that doesn't mean the iPhone 5 is well made because so far it isn't.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Manufacturing, not marketing. Big difference.
People buy shitty headphones for $300 even though it's no different than the quality of headphones for $10; that doesn't change the fact that marketing will always dominate manufacturing side of things as no one sees that side of the product.
I want to know what $10 headphones you use O_O
CharminUltra
Member
So, scratch prone = poorly made, even though it can take several falls like a champ.
Got it.
Oh, let me guess. Everything Apple makes is crap and the only reason their products sell is because of marketing, correct?
Just trying to gauge your level of delusion before continuing this conversation.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
Creative EP-610.
Oh my. Arguing with you serves no purpose. I didn't say everything apple makes is crap. Did I say that? I have owned every single iPhone out there; it doesn't change the fact that the quality isn't top notch. Drop test is not the same as finishing.
Do you REALLY think Apple made these phones and said "You know what? Let's just fuck up the anodizing and see what happens. It'll be fun seeing the customer open the product and see the scratches on them".
I would love to know what $10 headphones are beating out $300 ones. There is hyperbole, and then there is nonsense.
The biggest reason why Apple products sell so well is the marketing.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
As I said: Creative EP-610. I prefer them over any of the beats Earbuds/headphones. I own them both. Personal preference.
(Audio Technica headphones are still the best IMO. No, they are not $10, they are $150).
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Alright, so I chronicled my iPhone 5's battery life today after doing a full-blown calibration the night before.
Black, 16GB, AT&T iPhone 5
Set up as a "new phone."
Brightness at 100%, but with auto-adjust on
Wi-Fi On at all times (and used when in my home)
LTE Data On at all times (and used anytime not in my home)
All Location Services On
Push email for five accounts, fetch for one (gmail) set to fetch every hour
Pretty much everything "maxed" except that Bluetooth was off
***
Immediately after removing the cable this morning, I pushed it hard to see how fast it would drop a percentage. With mildly heavy internet browsing, texting, and emailing, it lasted a full 30 minutes before dropping a percent.
While using it off-and on at home for continued internet browsing, the battery did pretty well. When I finally left my house and Wifi got disconnected, this is where I was at:
And so I went straight to mildly heavy internet browsing again, but this time on LTE while driving. WOW! LTE eats battery life... just destroys it! I dropped 4% in less than ten minutes on LTE. Remember, earlier I eeked 30 minutes out of just 1% using Wifi.
From there out, I used GPS/maps to find a Sonic Drive-Thru; signal was good and I was in the maps app for about 10 minutes. Otherwise, I was only using internet and email. I snagged a screenshot when I hit 50% battery life around 5pm.
Back to WiFi once I get home. By this time, I've eaten through about 2/3rds of the battery:
... but notice it goes back to doing fine once on WiFi again:
And finally, I snapped one picture before cradling my phone for good:
5:11 of usage
13:29 of standby
19% remaining
Note: I had my phone plugged in for about two minutes to sync over some ringtones, and that's why the notice is on some of the later screens. It did NOT bump up a percentage when plugged in for that short time.
***
My takeaway? If you tone back some of your settings - brightness at <50%, Location Services off, etc; the phone should pretty easily last a full day of average use. Factor in some games, and you should be okay but it'll cut it close.
But LTE is just a massive battery drain. We all knew this, but I was hoping it'd be better. I'm fairly certain if you were on WiFi all day and only used "4G" data, you'd do significantly better. So if your battery life is important, don't click that LTE button and don't bother with GPS.
Black, 16GB, AT&T iPhone 5
Set up as a "new phone."
Brightness at 100%, but with auto-adjust on
Wi-Fi On at all times (and used when in my home)
LTE Data On at all times (and used anytime not in my home)
All Location Services On
Push email for five accounts, fetch for one (gmail) set to fetch every hour
Pretty much everything "maxed" except that Bluetooth was off
***
Immediately after removing the cable this morning, I pushed it hard to see how fast it would drop a percentage. With mildly heavy internet browsing, texting, and emailing, it lasted a full 30 minutes before dropping a percent.
While using it off-and on at home for continued internet browsing, the battery did pretty well. When I finally left my house and Wifi got disconnected, this is where I was at:
And so I went straight to mildly heavy internet browsing again, but this time on LTE while driving. WOW! LTE eats battery life... just destroys it! I dropped 4% in less than ten minutes on LTE. Remember, earlier I eeked 30 minutes out of just 1% using Wifi.
From there out, I used GPS/maps to find a Sonic Drive-Thru; signal was good and I was in the maps app for about 10 minutes. Otherwise, I was only using internet and email. I snagged a screenshot when I hit 50% battery life around 5pm.
Back to WiFi once I get home. By this time, I've eaten through about 2/3rds of the battery:
... but notice it goes back to doing fine once on WiFi again:
And finally, I snapped one picture before cradling my phone for good:
5:11 of usage
13:29 of standby
19% remaining
Note: I had my phone plugged in for about two minutes to sync over some ringtones, and that's why the notice is on some of the later screens. It did NOT bump up a percentage when plugged in for that short time.
***
My takeaway? If you tone back some of your settings - brightness at <50%, Location Services off, etc; the phone should pretty easily last a full day of average use. Factor in some games, and you should be okay but it'll cut it close.
But LTE is just a massive battery drain. We all knew this, but I was hoping it'd be better. I'm fairly certain if you were on WiFi all day and only used "4G" data, you'd do significantly better. So if your battery life is important, don't click that LTE button and don't bother with GPS.
I'm not talking about scratches, I don't really mind scratches. But I do mind paint peeling off on a new and overpriced product.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
I'm not arguing with your point... but "overpriced" is stretching it.
Most every smartphone at release is $200 or more at launch. And save for the Galaxy Nexus, most flagship phones are in the ~$600 range unsubsidized, too.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
Banned
I really don't mind scratches either but saying that it is acceptable is ridiculous. I'm sure it's also unacceptable to Apple and didn't expect it.
Remember the call drops in iPhone 4? Did Apple expected it? They didn't. They fixed it by giving away free case to all users.
No one expects to sell products with non-conformance.
Have you seen how much profit they make from every iPhone? It's insane. They could easily sell it for $400 unsubsidized and still make a great profit. Apple just liked easy money from selling the phone locked.
It is overpriced.
The back isn't what seems to scratch, on the contrary it's quite resistant. It's only the angled edge (which doesn't seem to be the same type of anodized aluminum) that can get skimmed, revealing the pure metal underneath.
I'd still be it's better to use caseless than the 4/S was.
I'd still be it's better to use caseless than the 4/S was.
I know it's probably a bad place to voice such an unpopular opinion, but the edges being so easily scuffed, to me, is a sign of the thing being poorly made. Very much not inline with my expectations of an iPhone after four years of using them.
Skel1ingt0n
I can't *believe* these lazy developers keep making file sizes so damn large. Btw, how does technology work?
Oh I completely agree, it's not linear at all. I'm just showing what's typical; as this morning a lot of people were questioning if their battery life was "normal" or not.
EDIT: That said, my 4S and 3GS before it always dropped from 100% in a matter of minutes. Can't comment on my iPad; haven't really paid attention (since I charge it irregularly).
Exactly.
CharminUltra
Member
Arguing with me serves no purpose and yet, you think the reason Apple is successful is all marketing...
Being scratch doesn't automatically mean crappily made, period.
Oh no, look at my iPods from 6 years ago! The backs scratch so easily, thus this must mean they're poorly made. I mean, nevermind the fact that they're two of the most reliable gadgets I've ever owned. Nope, they're obviously defective.
There we go. Hey, at least now you're not pretending to be unbias or a "neutral but concerned" poster.
nhlducks35
Member
No, overpriced would mean that no one is buying it. Since Apple is selling millions of them, many consumers find it a great value for their money.
Would they sell that much if buyers had to pay the full price of the phone (650$USD)? I doubt it. And no, your statement of "overpriced would mean that no one is buying it" makes no sense at all.
But anyway, I'm ok paying 650$USD for the phone if it's well made but it isn't (at least for now).
IHaveCandy
Banned
Outside of units being scratched out of the box, this whole "scuffgate" crap is really overblown. If you got one without any scratches, you should be able to keep it scratch free by just treating it properly.
The market price is higher than the price Apple is charging for the phone. I've tried for the last week to get an iPhone 5 even though I live in a launch country.
Look how much scalpers are paying just to collect them from buyers (divide by 7.75 to get the US $ amount):
http://www.iphone4hongkong.com/2012/09/2012-09-23-iphone5.html
They charge even more if you want to buy from them.
IHaveCandy
Banned
That actually doesn't sound like a bad idea. Definitely an easy way to restore it if it gets too scratched.
Not dismissing scuffgate, but calling easily scuffed edges the equivalent of a 'poorly made product' seems a bit hyperbolic.
eh, I wouldn't necessarily say that. If it is a case of the scuffs happening too easily, that's a fair complaint.
eh, I wouldn't necessarily say that. If it is a case of the scuffs happening too easily, that's a fair complaint.
nhlducks35
Member
What? Obviously at the price now, ($200, $300, $400) people are buying the iPhone in droves. No shit if you increased the price by $200 people would find it overpriced and buy less of it.
You can buy them subsidized in every country. Not sure what your problem is. This phone isn't cheaper in the US (well unlocked it is cheaper by about $50.)
I don't know. The original iPhone did quite well and it wasn't subsidized (not to mention an almost brand new market). It had a price drop as well but reached a million in sales in just the US a few days later.
I do think the value is there for people.
IHaveCandy
Banned
I will buy the 64 GB iPhone 5 in a couple of weeks for $400 and not feel ripped. I'm not going to demand Apple sell it to me at 150% of the manufacturing costs or something like that. I am going to expect them to sell it to me at a price I think is reasonable. The memory price hike is my only gripe. But I must have 64 GB because more storage space is always my weakness.
Treating the phone just as I treated my 3 and 4, and I had a noticeable gash after one day of use. By your example, it would suggest I don't know how to treat my technology properly, but I've had no issues with just about any of my devices in the past.
The black iPhone 5 edges are going to look rough weeks and months from now if people go caseless.
IHaveCandy
Banned
Did you drop it or allow it to be in contact with any edged/sharp objects?
Anodized metal shouldn't scratch that easily period if done well. I've lots of anodized metal accessories that take much more abuse than movement in a box or simply laying on hard surfaces.
I'd expect the iPhone to be better than dime a dozen aluminum toys that do get scratched up easily.
IHaveCandy
Banned
Edges will scratch though. I have this flashlight on my keychain and it gets knocked around like crazy. I've dropped it countless times and it's always getting mixed in with my keys and change. Only the edges on it have scratched The edge is going to be a weaker point in these cases.
I can agree with that but I'm seeing people/pictures complain of scratches to the main surface areas as well.Edges will scratch though. I have this flashlight on my keychain and it gets knocked around like crazy. I've dropped it countless times and it's always getting mixed in with my keys and change. Only the edges on it have scratched The edge is going to be a weaker point in these cases.
We'll see when I get mine next month. Went with black.
OK, my sister's been carrying her black one in a soft pouch, well looked after and already it's got two big scuffs above the earpiece and about other four small ones, all of them occurred on the chamfer.
I'm thinking of taking it into the Apple Store to see if they'll replace it. Does AppleCare cover this? It's pretty shitty that it scuffs so easily. Do I need to book a Genius Bar appointment for this?
My white one, on the other hand, is doing fine so far.
I'm thinking of taking it into the Apple Store to see if they'll replace it. Does AppleCare cover this? It's pretty shitty that it scuffs so easily. Do I need to book a Genius Bar appointment for this?
My white one, on the other hand, is doing fine so far.
Yes, it also counts iCloud activity and other background tasks.
IHaveCandy
Banned
If your sister intends to keep her phone mixed in her bag with all of her other belongings, she's always going to have a scratched iPhone. No helping her no matter how many times she exchanges it.
He said its in a soft pouch inside the bag. It shouldn't be banging on other hard surfaces.