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[hirokazu]

I've already said multiple times that I don't think the 8 is a great investment, I really don't give a shit how it performs but that was a bad video. What the hell are you supposed to learn from it?

I’ve seen two videos now that show the iPhone 8 needing to reload a good number of apps after doing these app loading “speed tests”, something the 7 and other iPhones with 2GB+ of RAM haven’t really had to do.

I’ve given Apple a pass with lower RAM than Androids since what matters is the ability to keep things in RAM rather than how much it has. There seems to be something wrong with the 8 in that regard. Maybe something that can be fixed through software update.

 

[Fhtagn]

It may be the fastest phone but is that the most important thing? No.

It doesn't have:

-fingerprint scanner
-headphone jack
-the brigthest/best display
-best camera(s)
-best battery life
...

Oh jeez this isn't a thread about those things and it has Touch ID since this thread is about the 8.

 

[……forgetit]

It may be the fastest phone but is that the most important thing? No.

It doesn't have:

-fingerprint scanner
-headphone jack
-the brigthest/best display
-best camera(s)
-best battery life
...

Well it does have the best cameras and it has a finger print scanner, I have no idea on screen brightness but it loses on pixel density. You got me on the other two.

 

[Dehnus]

In what way does it favour Apple SoCs?


Geekbench is universally used in the industry as a very representative CPU-only synthetic test. Surely apple fanboys have the right to use it, no?

Just look up with people like Linus Torvalds say about it. I'm not going to take part in your "RAAAH APPLE!" vs "RAAAH SAMSUNG!" crap. Read up on what geekbench is and you will either come to the same conclusion or, just feel more hostile towards people like me who feel that it's a crappy benchmark that shouldn't be used as the ONLY bench in a test.

I don't care about either Samsung or Apple, but oh well. I'm sure you don't care about that and probably will soon start a crusade for the sacred fruit.

 

[Fhtagn]

Lol gotta love posters who try to call you out then backtrack when their BS falls on its face. Yeah Im done here...

Show of hands, did Rambis convince anyone of anything other than how mad they are?

 

[KHarvey16]

Lol ok. And Im sure you're able to "explain" the bullshit claims above then?

They’ve been explained to you and you still fail to even acknowledge them, never mind understand them. My explanations would be the same as those before since they’re correct. You came in here with a conclusion formed independently from both evidence and understanding.

 

[JP_]

Lol gotta love posters who try to call you out then backtrack when their BS falls on its face. Yeah Im done here...

Says the guy defending companies fudging benchmark scores by disabling the throttling that keeps the phone from frying itself -- disabling that distorts the performance of the chip. A benchmark score is worthless if those conditions result in your phone dying.

 

[Fhtagn]

Just look up with people like Linus Torvalds say about it. I'm not going to take part in your "RAAAH APPLE!" vs "RAAAH SAMSUNG!" crap. Read up on what geekbench is and you will either come to the same conclusion or, just feel more hostile towards people like me who feel that it's a crappy benchmark that shouldn't be used as the ONLY bench in a test.

I don't care about either Samsung or Apple, but oh well. I'm sure you don't care about that and probably will soon start a crusade for the sacred fruit.

Hey I'm pretty interested in critiques of Geekbench, and I guess I'll go search the web for it, cuz you didn't include a link but if you read this thread it's not Apple people losing their minds, cursing, typing in all caps and dropping out of context lol's.

 

[rambis]

Says the guy defending companies fudging benchmark scores by disabling the throttling that keeps the phone from frying itself -- disabling that distorts the performance of the chip. A benchmark score is worthless if those conditions result in your phone dying.

Ehh my S7 has been fully overclocked for over a year now and theres no issues outside of shitty battery. Only apple fanboys would complain about the prescence of clock mods in benchmarking. This is beyond hilarious.

They’ve been explained to you and you still fail to even acknowledge them, never mind understand them. My explanations would be the same as those before since they’re correct. You came in here with a conclusion formed independently from both evidence and understanding.

More like you don't know shit and only point to posters and articles that seemingly paint the picture you want to paint. Its cool dude. You will be ignored from now.

 

[wachie]

Lol gotta love posters who try to call you out then backtrack when their BS falls on its face. Yeah Im done here...

Don’t think so buddy.

 

[Maaaaaardy]

It may be the fastest phone but is that the most important thing? No.

It doesn't have:

-fingerprint scanner
-headphone jack
-the brigthest/best display
-best camera(s)
-best battery life
...

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/

You what?

 

[Fhtagn]

what if I want to know the benchmark in the default state? Why is it ok for it to override the state I have it in? What if I want to compare the two states? I can't, because the phone wants to game the results. If Apple did this you'd lose your mind over it.

 

[KHarvey16]

Ehh my S7 has been fully overclocked for over a year now and theres no issues outside of shitty battery. Only apple fanboys would complain about the prescence of clock mods in benchmarking. This is beyond hilarious.



More like you don't know shit and only point to posters and articles that seemingly paint the picture you want to paint. Its cool dude. You will be ignored from now.

How are you not embarrassed by this?

 

[reKon]

Oh God just kill this thread now lol

 

[JP_]

Ehh my S7 has been fully overclocked for over a year now and theres no issues outside of shitty battery. Only apple fanboys would complain about the prescence of clock mods in benchmarking. This is beyond hilarious.

It'd be fine if it were like

iPhone: X
S7:Y
S7 with throttling disabled: Z

but it's not. Instead, it is clearly trying to mislead. Hilariously sad, maybe.

 

[mavericktopgun]

https://www.dxomark.com/apple-iphone-8-plus-reviewed-the-best-smartphone-camera-ever-tested/

You what?

And you believe that?

 

[Kensation]

The biggest question should be:
How's the battery?

 

[hirokazu]

Oh God just kill this thread now lol

Yeah, it is pretty embarrassing how obviously partial and invested in their system of choice a lot of people in here are. 😂

 

[VoxPop]

Ehh my S7 has been fully overclocked for over a year now and theres no issues outside of shitty battery. Only apple fanboys would complain about the prescence of clock mods in benchmarking. This is beyond hilarious.



More like you don't know shit and only point to posters and articles that seemingly paint the picture you want to paint. Its cool dude. You will be ignored from now.

 

[……forgetit]

And you believe that?

Why don’t you believe it?

 

[MercuryLS3]

Android fans in this thread:

 

[jstripes]

I think most Apple guys are just trying to get pay back for the older days where Apple weren't as competitive tech wise.

Oh, the Mac was pretty competitive in the PowerPC days, before IBM fell into their deep ennui.

 

[Fhtagn]

And you believe that?

Yeah, as Gruber says, the numbers they assign stuff is a joke:

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/09/22/dxo-ratings-are-horseshit

 

[KHarvey16]

Yeah, as Gruber says, the numbers they assign stuff is a joke:

https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/09/22/dxo-ratings-are-horseshit

That's kind of a general argument against giving numerical scores to subjective determinations, isn't it? Tons of critics and publications rely on that system.

 

[Fhtagn]

That's kind of a general argument against giving numerical scores to subjective determinations, isn't it? Tons of critics and publications rely on that system.

I think 5 stars or thumbs up/down or buy/rent/avoid are pretty good; scores of 0-100 in multiple categories on a camera where some of the stats are technical and some are subjective opinion gives an inappropriate illusion of impartiality/precision.

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

This is beyond hilarious.

Agreed, but not for the reasons you think.

Oh God just kill this thread now lol

Yes please.

 

[KHarvey16]

I think 5 stars or thumbs up/down or buy/rent/avoid are pretty good; scores of 0-100 in multiple categories on a camera where some of the stats are technical and some are subjective opinion gives an inappropriate illusion of impartiality/precision.

There's an argument to be had there but it wouldn't undermine their overall opinion. Whether they say it's the best ever by using numbers or not they still came to that conclusion.

 

[Fhtagn]

There's an argument to be had there but it wouldn't undermine their overall opinion. Whether they say it's the best ever by using numbers or not they still came to that conclusion.

Yeah, the scores is the part I have a problem with.

Now, again to quote Gruber, this is good way to review a camera: http://austinmann.com/trek/iphone-8-camera-review-india

I don't have an interest in a pissing match over which camera is "best"; clearly it's a very competitive space at the high end and after a certain point, what is best is very subjective. I think the dual camera iPhones easily hold their own in that top tier though.

 

[KHarvey16]

Yeah, the scores is the part I have a problem with.

Now, again to quote Gruber, this is good way to review a camera: http://austinmann.com/trek/iphone-8-camera-review-india

I don't have an interest in a pissing match over which camera is "best"; clearly it's a very competitive space at the high end and after a certain point, what is best is very subjective. I think the dual camera iPhones easily hold their own in that top tier though.

Critics and reviews are subjective by nature. Movie critics all tell us what movie they think is the best. I don't see any reason why a person or publication can't tell us what camera they think is best.

 

[blu]

Just look up with people like Linus Torvalds say about it. I'm not going to take part in your "RAAAH APPLE!" vs "RAAAH SAMSUNG!" crap. Read up on what geekbench is and you will either come to the same conclusion or, just feel more hostile towards people like me who feel that it's a crappy benchmark that shouldn't be used as the ONLY bench in a test.

I don't care about either Samsung or Apple, but oh well. I'm sure you don't care about that and probably will soon start a crusade for the sacred fruit.

So let's discuss what Linus has said, shall we?

Geekbench is SH*T.

It actually seems to have gotten worse with version 3, which you should be aware of. On ARM64, that SHA1 performance is hardware-assisted. I don't know if SHA2 is too, but Aarch64 does apparently do SHA256 in the crypto unit, so it might be fully or partially so.

And on both ARM and x86, the AES numbers are similarly just about the crypto unit.

So basically a quarter to a third of the "integer" workloads are just utter BS. They are not comparable across architectures due to the crypto units, and even within one architecture the numbers just don't mean much of anything.

And quite frankly, it's not even just the crypto ones. Looking at the other GB3 "benchmarks", they are mainly small kernels: not really much different from dhrystone. I suspect most of them have a code footprint that basically fits in a L1I cache.

Linus

Linus essentially has two complaints:

It actually seems to have gotten worse with version 3, which you should be aware of. On ARM64, that SHA1 performance is hardware-assisted. I don't know if SHA2 is too, but Aarch64 does apparently do SHA256 in the crypto unit, so it might be fully or partially so.

And on both ARM and x86, the AES numbers are similarly just about the crypto unit.

So basically a quarter to a third of the "integer" workloads are just utter BS. They are not comparable across architectures due to the crypto units, and even within one architecture the numbers just don't mean much of anything.

And quite frankly, it's not even just the crypto ones. Looking at the other GB3 "benchmarks", they are mainly small kernels: not really much different from dhrystone. I suspect most of them have a code footprint that basically fits in a L1I cache.

Please, pay attention Linus refers to Geekbench 3.

Re complaint #1, let's see how Geekbench 4 composes its cpu scores:

Scores
Geekbench 4 provides two composite scores: single-core and multi-core. These scores are computed using a weighted arithmetic mean of the subsection scores. The subsection scores are computed using the geometric mean of the scores of the workloads contained in that section.

Subsection Weight
Cryptography 5%
Integer 45%
Floating Point 30%
Memory 20%

Notice that? 5% is pretty much within the margin of error one could get across multiple runs of Geekbench on a phone. Basically, crypto accounts to nothing in Geekbench 4.

Re complaint #2, it's more of a generic complaint, but his opinion is definitely arguable - for a benchmark that mainly tests the qualities of uarchitectures, it's arguable if the code fitting L1I is good or not. For instance, if I was benchmarking an uarch, I'd make sure my tests fitted in L1 as well. Moreover, most real-world heavy work is done by code that fits in L1I anyway, perhaps L2 at most. It's the data that usually overrun L1, L2 and the entire cache hierarchy many times over, and those Geekbench 4 tests don't fit their data in L1 - that much I can guarantee you, at least for those tests I've reverse engineered.

 

[Fhtagn]

Critics and reviews are subjective by nature. Movie critics all tell us what movie they think is the best. I don't see any reason why a person or publication can't tell us what camera they think is best.

I don't think we disagree. The way they score stuff strikes me as silly and misleading though.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

This thread really rustled some jimmies.

 

[//DEVIL//]

Android fans in this thread:

what? if anything its honestly the other way around and I am not a fanboy if either. I just like a good device.

IPhone has a better CPU since iPhone 6s. what is new here ? as a mobile user I care about :

- screen , how good is it because it is the most thing I use on any mobile phone
- performance
- camera
-connectivity
-battery life.


The screen in the iPhone 8 ( and X for that matter) sucks compared to others. I mean honestly. the Xperia xz premium ( the one I use now) is a fucking 4k HDR ( you don't even to download anything, you just go to youtube and watch 4k). and if not for that the Note 8 and S8 has a better screen

in terms of performance, I care about how fast the application opens. and if there is any lag down the road. few years back IOS was killing it in terms of performance. Android was a laggy shit after 3 months of use. but that has been changed for 2 years now. if you watch videos. they all are about the same speed ( sometimes IOS win sometimes Android wins) difference is usually a second or so. so that to me is a tie . do not give me unrealistic usage of a CPU that I will never use.

Camera. I think the IPhone has a good camera so does LG V3 , note, S8 and Sony XZ premium.

Battery life IPhone wins hands down. they are the best when it comes to battery optimization. but all phones roughly last for 1 day usage . all phones u have to charge before u go to bed.

so I do not see iPhone winning here, I don't see android either. but since I care about the phone screen the most. iPhone is out of the question.. like seriously who the fuck charge a 600$ or whatever its price for a fucking 720p phone ? get the fuck out with this shit

 

[Maaaaaardy]

And you believe that?

Hahahahahahahahaha

 

[Kensation]

Can it run Crysis?

 

[Fhtagn]

what? if anything its honestly the other way around and I am not a fanboy if either. I just like a good device.

But this is a thread about CPU performance?

 

[StoopKid]

Android fans feel a lot like pc gamers.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

Lol now the iPhone screen sucks? Really? Pissing contests I swear man

 

[jstripes]

so I do not see iPhone winning here, I don't see android either. but since I care about the phone screen the most. iPhone is out of the question.. like seriously who the fuck charge a 600$ or whatever its price for a fucking 720p phone ? get the fuck out with this shit

This whole 4K on a phone thing is like the megapixel wars of years ago.

I use my iPhone 6 every day, and I've seen higher DPI phones, but I can't say I feel I'm missing out. The only thing I am missing is HDR, really.

It's like, dude, my laptop's screen is 1280x800, and I have a similar resolution squeezed down into something much, much smaller.

 

[//DEVIL//]

This whole 4K on a phone thing is like the megapixel wars of years ago.

I use my iPhone 6 every day, and I've seen higher DPI phones, but I can't say I feel I'm missing out. The only thing I am missing is HDR, really.

It's like, dude, my laptop's screen is 1280x800, and I have a similar resolution squeezed down into something much, much smaller.

and I have a MacBook Pro with 2k screen. and I can tell the difference. ( along with 2k monitor and 4k Curved Samsung TV)

Do not get me wrong. the iPhone screen is amazing. . but its not the brightest. not the richest in terms of color. not everything really. its just a good screen in general. but compare it to other devices .... yeah no.

and with all respect. if you can't tell the difference of a 720p screen and 2k or 4k screen on mobile... then uh... lol. glasses bro lol

 

[VeeP]

It may be the fastest phone but is that the most important thing? No.

It doesn't have:

-fingerprint scanner
-headphone jack
-the brigthest/best display
-best camera(s)
-best battery life
...

You realize you entered a thread about how it's the fastest phone, and your post is "IT DOESN'T MATTER". And the fact that you don't even realize it has a fingerprint scanner makes me think you've looked up nothing about this phone. So keep up the fanboy work. The fucking salt in this thread smh. I thought the iMessage thread was bad but this is even worse.

 

[Robot Pants]

You realize you entered a thread about the how it's the fastest phone, and your post is "IT DOESN'T MATTER". And the fact that you don't even realize it has a fingerprint scanner makes me think you've looked up nothing about this phone. So keep up the fanboy work. The fucking salt in this thread smh. I thought the iMessage thread was bad but this is even worse.

For real

 

[Michael F. Assbender]

You realize you entered a thread about how it's the fastest phone, and your post is "IT DOESN'T MATTER". And the fact that you don't even realize it has a fingerprint scanner makes me think you've looked up nothing about this phone. So keep up the fanboy work. The fucking salt in this thread smh. I thought the iMessage thread was bad but this is even worse.

Reminds me of this:

 

[……forgetit]

Lol now the iPhone screen sucks? Really? Pissing contests I swear man

In the defense of the pissing contest, the iPhone screen is one of it's biggest drawbacks. It's almost impressively low resolution.

 

[TheChewyWaffles]

In the defense of the pissing contest, the iPhone screen is one of it's biggest drawbacks. It's almost impressively low resolution.

What practical effect does this have given the size of the screen?

 

[SenjutsuSage]

Got my 8 yesterday, upgraded from a 5s that served me well. I feel like I'm flying a god damn F22.

I'm pretty sure owning an iPhone 8 qualifies you as capable of flying an F22 into combat. This isn't an ordinary phone.

I'm very strongly considering making the switch to an iPhone though. That is a massive accomplishment in itself, even though the latest Oreo update has put my Nexus 6P in limit break mode.

 

[……forgetit]

What practical effect does this have given the size of the screen?

Didn't say there was one, just less sharp compared to the competition. It's one of the things that are objectively worse.

 

[jstripes]

and I have a MacBook Pro with 2k screen. and I can tell the difference. ( along with 2k monitor and 4k Curved Samsung TV)

Do not get me wrong. the iPhone screen is amazing. . but its not the brightest. not the richest in terms of color. not everything really. its just a good screen in general. but compare it to other devices .... yeah no.

and with all respect. if you can't tell the difference of a 720p screen and 2k or 4k screen on mobile... then uh... lol. glasses bro lol

Oh, I can tell the the difference between 720p and 4K on a mobile device, but right now it falls into the realm of diminishing returns for me. Especially on a 4.7" device.

 

[lukeskymac]

nevermind

 

[BlastProcessing]

and I have a MacBook Pro with 2k screen. and I can tell the difference. ( along with 2k monitor and 4k Curved Samsung TV)

Do not get me wrong. the iPhone screen is amazing. . but its not the brightest. not the richest in terms of color. not everything really. its just a good screen in general. but compare it to other devices .... yeah no.

and with all respect. if you can't tell the difference of a 720p screen and 2k or 4k screen on mobile... then uh... lol. glasses bro lol

How does the iPhone X feel in hand? I've been dying to know. Does it still fit nicely in your pocket?