What? I think you lost your decimal. Also the samsung and Iphones are usually within 6 months of each other.
Lol
http://www.ubergizmo.com/products/lang/en_us/devices/galaxy-s8,iphone-7/
iPhone 8 Is World's Fastest Phone (It's Not Even Close)
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Lol
http://www.ubergizmo.com/products/lang/en_us/devices/galaxy-s8,iphone-7/
Michael F. Assbender
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On one hand, his hyperbolic statement was obviously ridiculous.
On the other, is it really worth lol-ing the fact that Samsungs new flagship barely wins a lot of these benchmarks against Apples year-old phone, and loses plenty of others?
Yes? I don't know how many times it has to be explained that these products generally leapfrog each other. Its more like 5-6 months between them and Apple usually improves by the same margins over the previous top Android.
http://www.ubergizmo.com/products/lang/en_us/devices/iphone-7,galaxy-s7-edge/
Yes, the apple processors are generally better at some tasks and worse at others. No, you can't ignore everything else outside of ST perf to claim Apple has a "multi-year" advantage.
Chezzymann
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So it's almost half as fast as a ryzen 1700 when it comes to multicore? Holy crap
DaleinCalgary
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I'm not sure if this really matters to people who don't edit videos on their phones.
Because obviously that's the ONLY area that iPhone is faster.
that's because they have money left over after buying their phone to pay for the data plan heyoooo
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
My ipad mini2 is staying on ios10 forever - I use it for performance tasks.
I chuckled ; )
……forgetit
Member
Well, as long as they bought a one plus, otherwise phones with flagship performance are barely less expensive than iPhones.
I mean we all freaked about the Xs price but the note 8 is barely cheaper.
DaleinCalgary
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Of course faster and more powerful is better but my 6s is fast on messenger and safari.
How about where it really matters to people and develop a cpu/gpu that is low power and enough power so your phone lasts 2-3 days between charging.
Turbo Killer
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lol rambis is back, are you gonna spend your Sunday as well in this topic?
nature boy
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While I don't dispute the amazing job Apple has done with their SoC, countless Geekbench scores are starting to become a bit worthless.
Show me the performance/energy consumption of those cores compared to the reference ARM designs and then we'll talk.
Show me the performance/energy consumption of those cores compared to the reference ARM designs and then we'll talk.
I'm with you on that .. downclock the A11 such that it's as fast my 6S+ and lasts 3 days. My 6S+ already lasts me a day and half (with iOS11 taking it down to a day) and would love a similar experience but going without charging for 3 days.
However, the paradigm is such that all vendors seem to pursue performance at the cost of battery life, even if it means to barely achieve "all-day" battery.
You have me for about 30 more mins until church, food and football🤷🏾
They had to wait a page to rejoin because they wanted to duck out on the benchmark cheating conversation cuz they hadn't actually read the Anandtech article.
Widdle Puppy
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iOS is shit so who cares if the hardware is good? And how is editing a video on a smartphone a realistic test? I don't know anyone who does this on the reg, even if at all. People shelling out cash for performance they won't even use.
No. I addressed that, my feelings are the same....
BlastProcessing
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There haven't been many people editing video on their phones because phones have been too slow for that to be a good experience. Now that performance is getting there, we'll see what happens, but over the last decade the best course of action has been to never bet against the smartphone.
When phones were too slow to browse the internet snapily, people didn't really do it, then they got fast enough to browse in a pinch. Then they got fast enough to offer a great browsing experience and now people browse constantly. I have plenty of friends that browse at home on their couches 5 feet away from their laptops. They are more comfortable on the phone.
Same thing with photo editing. When the phone got performant enough to apply photo filters, Instagram jumped on it and you had millions of people editing photos on their phones. Then phones got performant enough for Snapchat to move in with it's realtime video filters.
Throughout the history of computing, every single time computers have become more capable people have immediately found uses for that capability. Everytime there have also been naysayers who, for some reason, argue that computers don't need to be more performant and that extra capabilities will be unused. I've watched this cycle happen for over 30 years and somehow it still persists.
Ah, I wondered if it was Geekbench, and yup it's Geekbench. There is a reason Linus Torvalds calls out that "benchmark suite" it really favours Apple's SOCs over others.
But Apple Fanboys can use it as ammo again in their battle against the Samsung ones in their Internet wars.
Im not sure where yout gripes stem from but Apple's OS and Xcode/SDK are probably their biggest advantages. The level of granularity they give is pretty much unmatched outside of game consoles.
Yeah anybody that tries to subscribe to one benchmark religously is auto ignored by me.
I wouldn't say it's shit and this is going off topic, but I stopped in an Apple store yesterday and while I looove the 8 hardware I really do prefer Android as an OS. I might still do an iPhone next just to switch things up but if I go iPhone it will have nothing to do with the processor. My S7 still feels totally smooth to me after a year.
I just don't understand why Apple Fanboys do it. I mean they have huge advantages in usability. They have a killer phone that is small with the iPhone SE. Yet they focus on a benchmark score to fight the Samsung fanboys while they do not really have a small phone competitor at all nor one that offers the same user friendliness.
Hmm watching mkbhd unboxing video and the multiscore was comparable to the note 8 around 6400. How is Tom getting 10k?
https://youtu.be/H1KRDYZIOaw
https://youtu.be/H1KRDYZIOaw
Sir Abacus
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Because after you unbox it and turn it on it's usually doing stuff in the background like indexing.
……forgetit
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Just his Twitter, the phone was still setting up, when he tested after that he got in line with Toms
tensuke
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While impressive (A11 is a beast), I feel like we need more information on the video encoding. What apps were used, what settings were used, what edits were made, comparison of final videos, etc. Not to mention that could be a result of specialized hardware in the A11 and not indicative of an overall performance delta that massive (although, for video editing, all things being equal that's really good performance).
There is nothing magical about any of these phones.
If you are happy with your phone I would say to stick with it until you are not happy with it.
Sir Abacus
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It's 100% the result of hardware encoding in the A11.
Every mobile CPU has hardware encoding and decoding of supported video formats. The hit to battery life of doing it in software would be obscene.
Every mobile CPU has hardware encoding and decoding of supported video formats. The hit to battery life of doing it in software would be obscene.
Its a shame you didnt read the article or the thread. You might have seen the other benchmarks being discussed. I guess it would have ruined your preferred narrative though.
Between the A10x, 60hrz display, and file system / multitasking I was about to pick one up the future. I convinced myself that I wouldn't actually use this enough so I held off. Whenever they make an OLED iPad, I'm going to very tempted again.
I think most Apple guys are just trying to get pay back for the older days where Apple weren't as competitive tech wise.
Right, once the phone has all the bloat loaded its hard to get accurate readings. Thats why I generally only trust the pre release benchmarks that take care to strip all 5hw extra fat because once users start reporting scores it gets real hazy.
Traditionally this has mostly favored Apple, who hasnt had true multitasking ala Android or Windows and fully suspended idle apps but supposedly IOS11 changes this? I really need to read up on it.
Ehh not sure what you mean because people have been almost unimaously referencing the geekbench numbers. Its the only way the "apple is years ahead" gibberish makes any sense instead of just being completely stupid.
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
In what way does it favour Apple SoCs?
Geekbench is universally used in the industry as a very representative CPU-only synthetic test. Surely apple fanboys have the right to use it, no?
Hmm. Give me a low power mode that isnt as extreme as turning off push, but does slow down general performance. Would be interesting.
Has anyone done a test for battery life with low power mode on from a full charge?
You spent a couple pages going on about the clock speed being all that mattered and then didn't reply to the thread for more than a page after my post pointing out that the article goes into great detail about how the Samsung leaves the clock speed the same but changes the other rules in order to game the test.
So, where did you address that?
Here's another thing you keep doing: saying people are saying Apple is years, plural, ahead, when everyone is saying they are 12-14 months ahead. So you exaggerate what other people are saying and then turn around and say "it's more like 6-9 months, lol", without backing up those numbers either.
True but there seems to be this sentiment in here that Android phones go to shit after 6 months. I'm sure that can happen on the cheaper ones but if you go with a Pixel or Samsung I don't see any issue.
see, when anandtech - a renowned tech website known for in-depth reviews of cpu performance and architecture - says that samsung was gaming benchmarks, that doesn't compare to the word of rambis, a poster who prior to this thread did not actually know what geekbench is or does other than make numbers appear and yet repeatedly feels qualified to offer their insight into why it doesn't matter
I think you should do a lot more reading too. Youve consistently misunderstood these benchmarks, the hardware being tested and the explanations for why youre getting it wrong and then after half a day come back as if that never happened and start doing the exact same thing. Its like a reset button gets pushed.
Your Entertainer
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Why do people still bother responding to him? This isnt the first time hes done this. Pretty convinced hes elaborately trolling at this point.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the case as well, which is why I kept it to just a couple sentences in reply and stuck him on the ignore list.
EDIT: ok, based on the below I'm switching my take to a legit meltdown rather than trolling. I'm peacing out of this thread after this edit cuz it'd be wack to keep antagonizing.
Wtf are you talking about? No, the clock doesnt stay the same. Thats the whole point of the article you all keep linking lol. There is a limiter in place that will lower the clock when a certain heat threshold is met. This article is reporting that Samsung and/or Qualcomm are removing this limiter for these benchmarks and therefore not autonomously decreasing the clock as it normally would.
Its becoming increasingly harder to take you all seriously.
ITS BULLSHIT EITHER WAY. Again I don't know what the hell you are going on about. There is no accuracy to that claim outside of geekbench ST.
Lol ok. And Im sure you're able to "explain" the bullshit claims above then?
And changing this threshold, which is not an option available to developers, is not cheating how?
heh
This conversation boils down to this:
People: Apple is 12-14 months ahead in Geekbench scores.
You: THAT'S BULLSHIT.
People: uh, but they are, and Geekbench is fairly well respected, so what's your point?
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Its an option to the user. People can disable these features in developer options if they wanted to and get the same performance...
Edit:
Except this isnt what happened at all. No one has said geekbench, you all are trying, badly at that to make this indicative of the full SoC performance despite several contradictory benches being posted.
Ok, I apparently can't help myself, but:
If you really can bypass thermal safety on your phone, this is still a false benchmark because then it's a benchmark of only that mode and not the real performance of the phone. It should be benchmarking the phone as it is currently configured, only.
You're just plain wrong on this. Changing the rules when a specific process is running is cheating. No wiggle room whatsoever.
You are really worked up about this, trying to argue that Apple is only 6-9 months ahead rather than a year. If you want, go write a detailed essay defending this position, and I'll give it a read. But if you're just going to keep replying "nuh-uh!" and "lol," well, we're done here.
mavericktopgun
Member
It may be the fastest phone but is that the most important thing? No.
It doesn't have:
-fingerprint scanner
-headphone jack
-the brigthest/best display
-best camera(s)
-best battery life
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It doesn't have:
-fingerprint scanner
-headphone jack
-the brigthest/best display
-best camera(s)
-best battery life
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