DavidGzz
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People spend more time tearing these machines down than actually playing games. I love both of my consoles and my PC.
Is it just me who can't stand the constant negativity surrounding this new generation?
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People spend more time tearing these machines down than actually playing games. I love both of my consoles and my PC.
Trimesh
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STARSBarry
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Is it just me who can't stand the constant negativity surrounding the constant negativity of this new generation?
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
There are all kinds of people, so some of the negative ones might be trolls or console warriors but there is also a bunch of people that's willing to give some fair criticism to a product they either love or are considering to buy.
The same happens in the opposite side with the "positive" people: there is people happy with their console that are open to give it some critic (no product is perfect) but there is also people that, at the slighest sight of critic, calls you an asshole or a console warrior.
Like in many aspects of life, the extremes are awful.
The same happens in the opposite side with the "positive" people: there is people happy with their console that are open to give it some critic (no product is perfect) but there is also people that, at the slighest sight of critic, calls you an asshole or a console warrior.
Like in many aspects of life, the extremes are awful.
FrankWza
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I don't get it. From a PS perspective you get a machine that runs every last gen game and better in a lot of cases. And has new games, remakes and exclusive features with a lot of games right around the corner. It's not like 2021 is looking bleak, their lineup looks insane. I don't get the wait and see approach. Wait and see what? I think the issue is anger in not being able to get a console or just not having the setup to take advantage of everything the system has to offer. If you're enthusiastic about this hobby and you have a display to fully take advantage of its features I just don't see how you're not enjoying or wouldn't enjoy a PS5 right now.
CAB_Life
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Haven't stopped playing my XSX since I got it, and while I loathe echo chambers, there's this handy "ignore thread" feature I'd suggest for the most fanboy-riddled threads. The secret to tranquility and good mental health is often not engaging in things that will drag you down.
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namekuseijin
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ok then
yes VR, yes BUY
yes VR, yes BUY
HeresJohnny
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This is definitely something I've been thinking a lot about lately: have gaming companies rode the remake/remaster horse into the ground? I like my Switch, but most of the stuff I've been playing on it lately are all remasters (Pikmin 3, Luigi's Mansion, Bioshock Collection), and it seems kind of ridiculous that the big game on the PS5 is a remake (albeit a beautiful one) of a really old game, and the Xbox X has nothing pretty much.
I think perhaps these companies are overestimating the degrees to which people might go to play old games on expensive new hardware, but we'll see.
Ten_Fold
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Honestly don't see much negativity OP. The main issue is scalpers taking a good amount of ps5/xbox series X/S an re selling them for a nice profit. Also lack of next gen titles at launch, especially Microsoft, but again I feel it more to do with Covid which delayed a few games. It just feels weird because you can't really purchase a system in store like older gens.
Stilton Disco
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I've found this to infact be one of the more chilled out generational transitions.
Aside from the scalpers and Series S being a bit of a damp squib, it's generally all very positive.
Everyone seems happy with their new consoles and how they're performing, the new games being released for them are good to amazing, and there's a really good slew of upcoming titles in the next year to look forward to.
All in all, pretty bloody good.
Aside from the scalpers and Series S being a bit of a damp squib, it's generally all very positive.
Everyone seems happy with their new consoles and how they're performing, the new games being released for them are good to amazing, and there's a really good slew of upcoming titles in the next year to look forward to.
All in all, pretty bloody good.
TonyK
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I think it is a toxic climate that is infecting everything, not just new consoles, but all games and social media.
It's the new attention-hate whore culture. Negative comments simply gain more attention and spread faster. It is the same principle that applies to the news, because bad news has a greater impact on the brain (I think that good news takes four times more exposure time to produce an equivalent imprint in the brain compared to bad news) . And people have organically arrived at the same behavior: I want social media attention and bad news gets more of that, so ...
It's the new attention-hate whore culture. Negative comments simply gain more attention and spread faster. It is the same principle that applies to the news, because bad news has a greater impact on the brain (I think that good news takes four times more exposure time to produce an equivalent imprint in the brain compared to bad news) . And people have organically arrived at the same behavior: I want social media attention and bad news gets more of that, so ...
OP just ignore it the hate really is just from a set of warriors interested in daily battles. Don't let the constant bad news threads bring you down just go enjoy your new systems. Let the warriors engage in their war and just stay clear. Yes the constant bad news wishful thinking threads get old.
BabyfaceRe
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Well let's look at the facts. Launch line ups are complete shit for both consoles, PS has a slight edge with cross gen spiderman and the "best" next gen game, which happens to be a ps3 remake.
Coupled with the fact that this gen goes hand in hand with a completely and utterly unjustified price hike.
Also teething issues , piss poor communication on both sides and some disappointing tech demos.
As a 30 year old gamer who has owned every console since Sega megadrive and is absolutely obsessed with games, I literally cant justify a next gen purchase right now. The only reason I can imagine someone buying one is because they are either hardcore fanboy (my 1 friend) still live with your parents therefore money means nothing to you(my other friend) or you got brain washed by the live action adverts(lol).
Just finished miles on ps4. There is no way in hell the ps5 version is worth 20 extra, its laughable. Xbox has been performing like shit too.
I put to you OP, what reason is there to be positive about this gen besides "new and shiny" ?
Fbh
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Eh, there always seems to be a lot of negativity in games. Just don't let it get to you.
LIke I always read negative takes about how the gaming industry sucks and it's all shit and it's all bad and not like the good ol' days and whatnot. And yet here I am wishing I had the time and money to actually buy and play all the stuff from only this year that I still want to check out (Hades, Demon Souls, Yakuza Like a Dragon, Ghost of Tsushima, 12 Sentinels, Ori, Nioh 2, Miles Morales, Cyberpunk, etc)
The salt is also strong at the moment. You have people who can't afford one right now, people who couldn't get one and now have to wait, etc.
LIke I always read negative takes about how the gaming industry sucks and it's all shit and it's all bad and not like the good ol' days and whatnot. And yet here I am wishing I had the time and money to actually buy and play all the stuff from only this year that I still want to check out (Hades, Demon Souls, Yakuza Like a Dragon, Ghost of Tsushima, 12 Sentinels, Ori, Nioh 2, Miles Morales, Cyberpunk, etc)
The salt is also strong at the moment. You have people who can't afford one right now, people who couldn't get one and now have to wait, etc.
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Bitmap Frogs
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It's the consequence of the FUD wars some posters are engaged in. You'll have to wait until the first manufacturer to announce 10 million units sold for things to start settling it but only if the sales data proclaims a clear winner. If both manufacturers have close numbers it will be FUD from here until next gen.
Fucking shite if you ask me.
Fucking shite if you ask me.
BabyfaceRe
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"all I can say is that the PS5 has made me unable to touch my PS4 again"
But what does that even mean ? I'm not trying to patronize or cause shit, but that's a zero value statement.
Why would you ever go backwards? Same can be said for every new gen of everything , "I dont touch my old vacuum since I got my new one coz my new one is better" no shit.
You need to look at it in a vacuum. What do you get for the price ? Hiw significant is the jump ? It's very easy to compare in a lot of cases too like I mentioned miles . The ps5 cost what 30-40% more than the ps4 version . Is it 30-40% better , after all the reviews and comparisons I've seen the answer is pretty clearly no.
Xbox has far superior pricing yet everything seems to run like shit on there soooooo yeah this gen seems like its gonna need 2-3 years to find its legs, which is the same for most gens I know, but take into account the price hike and honestly this gen (ps5 in particular) is not worth the money.
Sadly a lot of people, 25 plus year olds especially, can smell the snake oil.
But what does that even mean ? I'm not trying to patronize or cause shit, but that's a zero value statement.
Why would you ever go backwards? Same can be said for every new gen of everything , "I dont touch my old vacuum since I got my new one coz my new one is better" no shit.
You need to look at it in a vacuum. What do you get for the price ? Hiw significant is the jump ? It's very easy to compare in a lot of cases too like I mentioned miles . The ps5 cost what 30-40% more than the ps4 version . Is it 30-40% better , after all the reviews and comparisons I've seen the answer is pretty clearly no.
Xbox has far superior pricing yet everything seems to run like shit on there soooooo yeah this gen seems like its gonna need 2-3 years to find its legs, which is the same for most gens I know, but take into account the price hike and honestly this gen (ps5 in particular) is not worth the money.
Sadly a lot of people, 25 plus year olds especially, can smell the snake oil.
FrankWza
Member
this is the exact problem. Just because you can't, you've made a list of scenarios that justify getting a new console that are extreme. Makes you come across as someone who either couldn't get a preorder or can't afford a console. So instead of just waiting until you can or waiting for games that you can appreciate you call both launch lineups shit. Also, you used literally which is a huge tell. If you're going to get a PS5 anyway, what's the difference ingetting one today or in a year? There won't be a price drop in that time and you can play all your PS4 games and get some nice upgrades and sell or trade your old console.
DonJorginho
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Most of your posts come off as toxic, argumentative and patronising.
It's fine if you don't agree with people, but there are ways to go around it which don't make you look like an utter fun-sponge.
Gandih42
Member
I don't know man, I'm personally and unironically super excited for the Next-Gen 60 FPS backwards compatible plastic boxes to launch 2021. I don't need a fridge so I'll get the router.
But in all seriousness, I get why people have gripes with this new gen. People on this board are very passionate about gaming so every little thing means a lot, for better and worse. And I think in general we as people tend more towards drama and negativity, happens in almost all facets of life.
I think you just need to look the right places. Browsing the threads I'm also seeing plenty of people having a blast with their new consoles, for whatever reason. And hopefully most are just too busy enjoying their new consoles to post about it on the internet. Unlike me. I don't have no new console. So I get to enjoy all the improvements from the people praising and complaining now. At least that's what I tell myself.
But in all seriousness, I get why people have gripes with this new gen. People on this board are very passionate about gaming so every little thing means a lot, for better and worse. And I think in general we as people tend more towards drama and negativity, happens in almost all facets of life.
I think you just need to look the right places. Browsing the threads I'm also seeing plenty of people having a blast with their new consoles, for whatever reason. And hopefully most are just too busy enjoying their new consoles to post about it on the internet. Unlike me. I don't have no new console. So I get to enjoy all the improvements from the people praising and complaining now. At least that's what I tell myself.
Interfectum
Member
He may come across as a cunt but he navigated COVID-19, had actual release titles that don't rely on BC and will most likely have the best selling console launch of all time. Regardless of what gets you butthurt in his interviews, he knows what he's doing.
JimmyRustler
Member
Is there anything the internet mob isn't negative about? Stop following the discussion. Many people just have no joy in life whatsoever.
That being said... I want my fucking PS5. God dawn lockdown keeping my local store from handing it out to me.
That being said... I want my fucking PS5. God dawn lockdown keeping my local store from handing it out to me.
BabyfaceRe
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No I listed reasons that make sense for people buying this next gen console without next gen games. It is objectively a horrible launch, your response doesnt touch on a single reason why it would be good to my next day one expect for ps4 upgrades ? Which is ofcourse a horrible reason.
Also your implication that I couldn't afford or obtain a preorder is very weird and has no relation to what I said.....literally. (fyi had both preordered planned to cancel one but cancelled both for the reasons I've stated) .
Now please justify 70 games on ps5.
Also your implication that I couldn't afford or obtain a preorder is very weird and has no relation to what I said.....literally. (fyi had both preordered planned to cancel one but cancelled both for the reasons I've stated) .
Now please justify 70 games on ps5.
FrankWza
Member
its the exact anger you were referring. It's anger, plain and simple. Left out in the cold bitterness. Sad.
BabyfaceRe
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Yet you still jumped on me for patronising.... great.
2 responses so far both personal attacks, no positive reasons to get next gen. I'll keep waiting I guess.
Well tone of voice is impossible to get across in a text based format. That's why I stated I wasnt trying to patronize.
Yet you still jumped on me for patronising.... great.
2 responses so far both personal attacks, no positive reasons to get next gen. I'll keep waiting I guess.
Why are you holding this gen to previous gen. Your logic makes no sense.
So because people were happy with Killzone ShadowFall, they should be happy with...what on the PS5 or XSX? There is no new exclusive shooter on either machine right now.
Previous launches had games like Mario 64 or Halo 1. Impactful games that people rushed out to get. PS5/XSX don't really have any of that. The most anticipated game this holiday season(CyberPunk) is still running on PSPro and XB1X
And I say all this as someone who owns a PS5 with Miles Morales and Demon Souls. People have more than enough reason to not be excited. Why should people lie and fake excitement if that isn't how they really feel.
BabyfaceRe
Member
Who on earth would get angry about something like this. Think you guys are projecting a little. It's not possible to be bitter about not wanting something for objective reasons, come on kids.
Interfectum
Member
It's the same reason why grown men go after each other over sports ball teams. Competition on any level can breed this kind of anger.
DonJorginho
Banned
Moans about "personal attacks"
Then drops to another level of pettiness to make remarks about people who don't agree with him to be nothing more than "kids"
Look man, no-one is saying you have to be into this new generation, hell you can moan about it all you want, just don't lambaste people like I have seen you do in your post history when they like something you don't, have a friendly debate not a childish quarrel.
BabyfaceRe
Member
You're confused friend. This isn't a competition.
OP asked why so much negativity this gen, I think I explained really well why the negativity exists.
Have had 4 responses now every single one a personal attack, zero address the subject of the post or the content of what I said.
OP asked why so much negativity this gen, I think I explained really well why the negativity exists.
Have had 4 responses now every single one a personal attack, zero address the subject of the post or the content of what I said.
Or you just want to upgrade your 8 year old console.
It's not that difficult to figure out dude. You do come off as bitter.
VincentMatts
Member
The fanboys seem louder then ever this time around. I instantly block fanboyish comments on all social media accounts. Not wasting any time with these people.
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TrebleShot
Member
I don't want anyone to faint excitement, in my opinion people have gone into this launch with lofty expectations and haven't taken the previous launches into consideration when looking at what to expect from a console launch in the 2000s.
Some people aren't happy unless the consoles are delivering brand new IPs running at 4k 120fps with ray tracing which was never on the table and was never the intention.
The games themselves you mention MM and DeS Are extremely high quality games that are receiving rave reviews and offer experiences not possible in the previous gen. They may have versions on the ps4 but the actual way these games look and play on the PS5 are not possible on PS4.
I find it a little odd, thats all, just my opinion and if people are a bit let down or not excited its their own perogative.
Personally, best launch I can remember, probably on a par with PS2 which is the best in my opinion.
Interfectum
Member
You have asshats like TimDog on Twitter who literally have tens of thousands of followers now and all he does is console war. Social media has definitely amplified the aggressiveness and negativity this time.
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BabyfaceRe
Member
I'm trying to debate.
I made counter points to ops thread, you know the subject of this post.
Your not debating me your attempting to call me out.
Avoiding the subject while making personal jabs is childish, hence kids reference.
Why not make the choice to address what I said instead of what tone you think I said it in?
I made counter points to ops thread, you know the subject of this post.
Your not debating me your attempting to call me out.
Avoiding the subject while making personal jabs is childish, hence kids reference.
Why not make the choice to address what I said instead of what tone you think I said it in?
Sakura
Member
Fidelity isn't a binary yes or no.
Using that logic you could say the main difference between a PS4 and a PS1 is also fidelity, HD, online.
The leap in previous generations was much larger.
VincentMatts
Member
Yeah i unfollowed him because of that. Enough is enough.
DonJorginho
Banned
It isn't 20 extra mate?
Die Namek Ability
Member
Yeah, extremists on both sides dont really celebrate the good that each console brings to the table but rather harp on the negatives of the opposing console. This leads to very negative atmosphere all round. Just yesterday i made a thread to calmly discuss my thoughts and experiences with the PS5 shell discoloration and i was bombarded with XsX fans over reacting and using it as FUD and Sony fans attacking me for giving the opposition procieved ammunition. It is really getting out of hand.
Trimesh
Banned
So where exactly is the "competition" in "right now neither of these machines appears to present an attractive value proposition to me"?
Not everything is based on console war bullshit, you know?
TKOFromTokyo
Member
I've been a part of every generation since the NES. I bought a PS5 and Demon's Souls, but there is nothing breathtaking about this generation's launch lineup. Where is my legendary game this Gen? Where is the introduction of a DVD/ably Ray/UHD player?
Yes, load times are significantly reduced, something I had back in the big N's cartridge days. Yes, graphics are nicer, we have technologies like ray tracing, and I can get better performance in games. However, I'd be much more inspired by an epic game, the incorporation of improved VR technology, or complete BC with all previous disc based gens from these companies. Otherwise, these consoles are a nice upgrade, but rather disappointing and less innovative than the past. I'd argue that Nintendo is still the most innovative and groundbreaking out of the big three and they are cheap on using new tech.
Yes, load times are significantly reduced, something I had back in the big N's cartridge days. Yes, graphics are nicer, we have technologies like ray tracing, and I can get better performance in games. However, I'd be much more inspired by an epic game, the incorporation of improved VR technology, or complete BC with all previous disc based gens from these companies. Otherwise, these consoles are a nice upgrade, but rather disappointing and less innovative than the past. I'd argue that Nintendo is still the most innovative and groundbreaking out of the big three and they are cheap on using new tech.
Snakeeyes646
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Yeah people trying extra hard to put a downer on something that should bring excitement and happiness, just as well that i don't listen to anyone on the net.
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