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[cj_iwakura]

I'm not saying the prequels are perfect. I'll be the first one to admit they have serious problems. Some of the acting is outright terrible as is some(most)of the dialogue, but it had good ideas. TFA lacks those wholesale.
The idea of love leading to Anakin's downfall was brilliant. The execution, not so much.

 

[Jaymageck]

No, it's a bad film that just so happens to have a few epic and memorable scenes.

That being said, some people would argue the same about Return of the Jedi, which puts me in an awkward position.

My opinion though is that Return of the Jedi, for its flaws, is still a much better film than Revenge of the Sith.

 

[Trigonometrize.]

I'm not saying the prequels are perfect. I'll be the first one to admit they have serious problems. Some of the acting is outright terrible as is some(most)of the dialogue, but it had good ideas. TFA lacks those wholesale.

What are the good ideas?

 

[lawnchair]

nah.

this was on tv the other day and i turned it on just out of curiosity. it was a scene with anakin and palpatine talking about jedi vs sith good vs evil blah blah. i could only stomach about 45 seconds of it, it was straight garbage. so no. no.

 

[IlGialloMondadori]

I get flack for it all the time, but TPM is my favorite prequel. They're all bad in various ways, and they all have good things about them. Overall, they're all bad though, if only considering they completely fail to do the job they set out to do.
Revenge of the Sith is just super boring and has tons of awful, awful bits in it. If it's better than any of them, maybe slightly better than AoTC.

 

[cj_iwakura]

What are the good ideas?

Love leading to Anakin's downfall. The Jedi being blind in their complacency. Palpatine's rise to power, etc.
Dooku manipulating the war from within. Might of been better had he been introduced as good, though.

 

[Biske]

I'm not saying the prequels are perfect. I'll be the first one to admit they have serious problems. Some of the acting is outright terrible as is some(most)of the dialogue, but it had good ideas. TFA lacks those wholesale.

TFA has fun and charm. The characters seems to actually like each other and have chemistry.

If at any moment, Finn or Rey or Poe or BB 8 or Kylo Ren or Han and Chewey, decided to throw down and fuck, you'll believe it.


But a prequel trilogy based around Anakin and Padme and their "love" and temptation towards each other, where they have no fucking chemistry and every scene is a stilted forced shit fest... nah. Utter failure.

 

[Fancyarcher]

Which is why the prequels made less and less money with each entry and TFA broke box office records.

Technically ROTS made more money then AOTC, but neither made as much as TPM though.

 

[matrix-cat]

It's the worst of them, and by a wide margin, too. I honestly don't know why people think it's good. Every plot point is stupid, and every meaningful event in the overall STar Wars story is botched terribly. The prophecy bullshit from Episode I was already bad enough, but Lucas went and did it again as the reason Anakin turns evil. It's the ultimate crutch of the bad writer: a magical vision told the characters that a thing was going to happen! Anakin has visions that his wife is going to die, so Sheev tells him he should go and kill all the Jedi starting with their kids and he buys it. There you go; there's the entire reason the Prequels exist. You want to know how he became Darth Vader? That's it.

This is a movie that wastes like half its runtime on inane shit like an inexplicable "land the plane" scene in a universe where planes don't exist yet there is still a clear runway on the most densely-populated planet in all of fiction, or a scene where Obi Wan has to chase down an evil robot man on a squawking dinosaur, and then has to hurriedly cram all the important plot points in at the end in a race towards the big lightsabre fight. Movie is absolute garbage.

 

[The One and Done™]

If you are not with me, then you are my enemy.

 

[lightskintwin]

Man, I think some of ya'll are giving Revenge of the Sith too much of a pass. The last thirty minutes of contrived scenes conveniently setting up A New Hope is insultingly bad.

 

[Killer Queen]

Man, I think some of ya'll are giving Revenge of the Sith too much of a pass. The last thirty minutes of contrived scenes conveniently setting up A New Hope is insultingly bad.

This I can agree with.

 

[cj_iwakura]

TFA has fun and charm. The characters seems to actually like each other and have chemistry.

If at any moment, Finn or Rey or Poe or BB 8 or Kylo Ren or Han and Chewey, decided to throw down and fuck, you'll believe it.


But a prequel trilogy based around Anakin and Padme and their "love" and temptation towards each other, where they have no fucking chemistry and every scene is a stilted forced shit fest... nah. Utter failure.

TFA had great actors. That makes the story failings all the more irritating. The rise of the First Order happening out of nowhere? Another Death Star? Luke going AWOL? Etc. It assassinates the classic trilogy. The books did it better. Have the Empire be a rag tag force. Make the Republic corrupt.
The prequels needed a rewrite. TFA needed the script redone from the ground up.

 

[Cormano]

I love how having the high ground didn't mean shit when Obi Wan was placed in a similar position by Darth Maul years earlier.

Damn, i never thought about this.

 

[Biske]

TFA had great actors. That makes the story failings all the more irritating. The rise of the First Order happening out of nowhere? Another Death Star? Luke going AWOL? Etc. It assassinates the classic trilogy. The books did it better. Have the Empire be a rag tag force. Make the Republic corrupt.

True, it has a ton of plot failures like that, but you can at least ignore all that and watch a movie with talented people in it acting well together.

The prequel movies.. are stupid plots badly acted.

 

[m_dorian]

Best of the three but it supposed to be the chosen one.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

Damn, i never thought about this.

We all know Kenobi was the real chosen one.

 

[Killer Queen]

TFA had great actors. That makes the story failings all the more irritating. The rise of the First Order happening out of nowhere? Another Death Star? Luke going AWOL? Etc. It assassinates the classic trilogy. The books did it better. Have the Empire be a rag tag force. Make the Republic corrupt.
The prequels needed a rewrite. TFA needed the script redone from the ground up.

Didn't the empire never actually die?
Luke went AWOL because he felt terrible about his failure with Kylo Ren and what Ren did to the other Jedi he was training
Having the empire be a rag tag force means it's no longer an 'empire'

 

[BinaryPork2737]

Rewatching all these scenes, you can only draw the conclusion that Anakin is a fucking creep and Padme is fucked up.

Seriously. What the fuck is wrong with this girl? She's getting charmed by this lunatic? Really?

Anakin Steals a Kiss


Maybe Lucas was going for the "older powerful lady taking advantage of a lunatic teen" and if so.. nailed it!

Well, from one of ep II's featurettes:

Lucas: Anakin has been in love with Padme ever since he was ten years old, he worshipped her when he was young and now they're finally getting back together...
Padme just thought of him as a little kid, so it's Padme adjusting to the fact that he's a grown up guy.
...
Portman: And all of the sudden he comes back and she's like "wow, you know he's grown up into this handsome young Hayden Christensen." So their relationship really goes from her looking down on this younger guy to him sort of proving himself as a real force.

So yeah, Anakin's kind of creepily obsessed and Padme falls for him because he's hot and powerful. Anakin's obsession comes back in full force in III, too.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Guys check out this totes believable romance that the entire conflict of Anakin's character centers on.

Such chemistry, such believability, George outdid himself, prequels were the best ever. He's a real force i'll you what. Do this with the girl you like, do it, literally stare at her tits and then creepily slide your hand up her back while she internally screams. I swear you'll have the best romance and you can talk about literally nothing else but how much you like each other.

 

[Coffee Dog]

You have to basically ignore the entire script, and the direction, and the acting, in order to find defensible elements.

There's some okay concepts, and you can see where a good movie might be hiding, but the final product isn't any of those things.

 

[Timu]

Didn't the empire never actually die?
Luke went AWOL because he felt terrible about his failure with Kylo Ren and what Ren did to the other Jedi he was training
Having the empire be a rag tag force means it's no longer an 'empire'

Yeah I believe the Empire just retreated after the 2nd death star blew up as there were still Star Destroyers left.

Luke going into hiding is just like Obi Wan and Yoda when the Jedi were wiped out, in this case the Jedi he was training as you said.

 

[lightskintwin]

This I can agree with.

Hi Five.

That scene where Yoda and Chewbacca are conveniently together made me really hate the film and how it forced original trilogy characters to have some forced relationship in the prequels despite no acknowledgement in the original trilogy films.

Revenge of the sith is fucking awful.

 

[Killer Queen]

Hi Five.

That scene where Yoda and Chewbacca are conveniently together made me really hate the film and how it forced original trilogy characters to have some forced relationship in the prequels despite no acknowledgement in the original trilogy films.

Revenge of the sith is fucking awful.

I take back my first post, I don't think any of these movies are good. 2 and 3 have some enjoyable parts and interesting ideas but after going through this thread I can't say I actually want to watch any of them ever again.

But every forced connection to ANH made me really angry.

 

[DavidDesu]

I'd go so far as to say anyone giving it a pass or even saying it's remotely good, truly has no taste, or terrible taste altogether. There's no justifying it. AOTC and ROTS were so god damned awful in every metric that to compare with the OT or even TFA should garner ridicule. They're fundamentally bad films and are absolutely awful Star Wars films that have none of the charm, simplicity or gravitas of the other films.

To enjoy them for how awful they are is something I guess, but even on that count they're just dull and make you want to slit your wrists at how much better they should've been.

I would sort of rate TPM as the most watchable, and absolutely the most Star Wars-y of the bunch. Much less CGI, and even Jar Jar is done more convincingly than shit like the clones in the next two movies, or Yoda... it had a great character like Qui Gonn and at least a cool villain in Maul, but both were killed off too early and Maul's villain stand-ins for the next two movies were woeful.

ROTS and the prequels in general are dirge that I've had to accept simply do not exist in my own personal Star Wars. I genuinely want them remade with a far more coherent story and far better cast roles now that there's people in charge of the ship that actually care and understand what Star Wars is about. Lucas just lost it with the prequels.

 

[Biske]

Guys check out this totes believable romance that the entire conflict of Anakin's character centers on.

Such chemistry, such believability, George outdid himself, prequels were the best ever. He's a real force i'll you what.

What bugs me about this scene is he is talking about sand being shitty and rough (in response to her sharing a nice memory of hers, basically him saying "fuck your sand!") but how things there are smooth and then weirdly puts the move on her in the lamest way. How seductive...


She is wearing a dress with an open back, place your whole hand on that majesty and caress her back when you are talking about smooth as you lean in for a kiss, or caress her face as you go in for a kiss.

Even for what he was going for, he did it terribly.

 

[cj_iwakura]

The prequels could have been really powerful if the romance had been done well, but alas.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

What bugs me about this scene is he is talking about sand being shitty and rough (in response to her sharing a nice memory of hers, basically him saying "fuck your sand!") but how things there are smooth and then weirdly puts the move on her in the lamest way. How seductive...


She is wearing a dress with an open back, place your whole hand on that majesty and caress her back when you are talking about smooth as you lean in for a kiss, or caress her face as you go in for a kiss.

Even for what he was going for, he did it terribly.

Must not have done too bad since she threw on a dominatrix costume later.

 

[Crossing Eden]

Even for what he was going for, he did it terribly.

This is the kindest and most accurate thing you can say about every aspect of the prequels.

 

[Spotless Mind]

It has always been the worst prequel to me, because of how spectacularly it screwed up Anakin's turn to the dark side.

 

[wookieofdoom]

I just cherry pick episodes from Clone Wars and declare those as my prequels.

 

[Biske]

The prequels could have been really powerful if the romance had been done well, but alas.

Must not have done too bad since she threw on a dominatrix costume later.

Would have been better if her attitude was "I live a stuffy boring ass life, and this idiot kid wants me, fuck it, lets do this" and did dominate him and tempt him away.

Like "Hey Anakin, fuck this, fuck this senator shit, fuck this dumb ass Jedi shit, lets bone"

and hes like "fuck lady, you older and hot and fuck that sounds awesome, but I dunno this Jedi shit is my first chance at having somewhere to belong and make something of myself"

and thats the conflict, thats what he is giving into and tempted by. Order VS wild Chaos. Blah blah.


Its not so fucking hard George.

 

[ZeroCDR]

Episode III is certainly watchable and probably the most entertaining of the prequels. I do prefer Episode I overall though, and Episode II is hands down the worst.

 

[cj_iwakura]

I just cherry pick episodes from Clone Wars and declare those as my prequels.

Some of these episodes felt like bad fan fiction. Darth Maul survived! And now has metal legs! Come the hell on.

 

[danm999]

I'm not saying the prequels are perfect. I'll be the first one to admit they have serious problems. Some of the acting is outright terrible as is some(most)of the dialogue, but it had good ideas. TFA lacks those wholesale.
The idea of love leading to Anakin's downfall was brilliant. The execution, not so much.

Why?

 

[Crossing Eden]

Would have been better if her attitude was "I live a stuffy boring ass life, and this idiot kid wants me, fuck it, lets do this" and did dominate him and tempt him away.

Like "Hey Anakin, fuck this, fuck this senator shit, fuck this dumb ass Jedi shit, lets bone"

and hes like "fuck lady, you older and hot and fuck that sounds awesome, but I dunno this Jedi shit is my first chance at having somewhere to belong and make something of myself"

and thats the conflict, thats what he is giving into and tempted by. Order VS wild Chaos. Blah blah.


Its not so fucking hard George.

Literally would make more sense and would align more with Obi Wan's description of Anakin being a noble jedi. And the certain point of view line would then make more sense as from a Jedi's point of view, romance is forbidden since it'll very easily lead to the dark side. AND, Padme wouldn't become a crying mess but instead would likely feel guilty and the part about her begging to run away when shit has hit the fan would make so much more sense. This shit literally writes itself but no let's have creeper self insert Anakin.

 

[LegalEagleMike]

See I would have rather Anakin's fall to the dark side been more like Revan from KOTOR.

 

[Banjotanooki]

OP, I appreciate what you're trying to do but I've come to realize that there's no way of convincing GAF that ROTS is "Good".

Which sucks, because it's not really that bad of a film. Saw it about 5 times when it came out and loved the special effects and seeing Vader again after so many years blew me away.

Hell, I'd put it over TFA in my ranking.

 

[Biske]

Literally would make more sense and would align more with Obi Wan's description of Anakin being a noble jedi. And the certain point of view line would then make more sense as from a Jedi's point of view, romance is forbidden since it'll very easily lead to the dark side. This shit literally writes itself but no let's have creeper self insert Anakin.

Exactly.

Anakin comes from less than nothing, gets told that he is a special dude and there is a place and a purpose for him, so he has that which he craves, just lost his mom and so he is looking for love.

So he goes along with Obi-Wan and is taught the force and to be a Jedi and loves it, but he has Padme there with the love thing, which he also desperately wants.

Which all comes to a head when ol Sheev is like "dude you are the king shit, you can have it all, fuck this Jedi shit"

And Anakin is like "yeah! I am the fuckin chosen one arent I???"

Padme is like "ah fuck, I didn't mean the evil stuff, just some good ol wholesome fuckin Anakin, I'm still a good person, I'm not evil"

And Anakin be all like "FUCK LADY! WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM ME! YOU STARTED THIS! YOU FUCKED ME UP!!!!"

 

[7Th]

ANH > ESB > TFA > ROTJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> TPM > ROTS > TCW

 

[danm999]

See I would have rather Anakin's fall to the dark side been more like Revan from KOTOR.

Revan's fall really fits in a way that would have benefitted the Prequels. The Galaxy at War, the arrogant Jedi Council too blind to the pain and suffering of billions, a headstrong young Jedi determined to set things right starting out with good intentions increasingly losing his way as he makes more and more compromises in the face of a brutal conflict.

Eventually the rage and frustration overtakes him to the point where he begins submitting to Palpatine's brutal pragmatism in the name of the greater good while his horrified idealistic wife falls out of love with him.

 

[NHarmonic.]

What's the worst line from REVENGE OF THE SITH?

"Chancellor Palpatine, Sith Lords are our specialty." -Obi-Wan

"My powers have doubled since the last time we met, Count." | "Good. Twice the pride, double the fall." -Anakin and Count Dooku

"Wait a minute, how did this happen, we're smarter than this!" -Obi-Wan

"You owe me one, and for not saving your skin for the tenth time." | "Ninth time. That business on Cato Neimodia doesn't- doesn't count." -Anakin and Obi-Wan

"You are so... beautiful." | "It's only because I'm so in love." | "No, it's because I'm so in love with you." | "So love has blinded you?" | "Well, that's not exactly what I meant." | "But it's probably true." -Anakin and Padmé

"Have you ever considered that we may be on the wrong side? What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists? And the Republic has become the very evil we've been fighting to destroy?" -Padmé

"Hold me, like you did by the lake on Naboo... so long ago when there was nothing but our love. No politics, no plotting, no war." -Padmé

"No! No! No! YOU WILL DIE!" -Supreme Chancellor Palpatine

"Killed not by clones, this Padawan, but by a lightsaber he was." -Yoda

"I have seen... a security hologram... of him... killing younglings." -Obi-Wan

"I don't know you any more. Anakin! You're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I can't follow!" -Padmé

"Only a Sith deals in absolutes." -Obi-Wan

"I have waited a long time for this moment, my little green friend." -Emperor Palpatine

"Not if anything to say about it I have." -Yoda

"From my point of view, it is the Jedi who are evil." -Anakin

You can do this with absolutely every movie ever made, to be honest. Worst way to judge the quality of them.

 

[opoth]

It seems like it's people who grew up with the PT that like to bash TFA. Look, I get that you have some kind of inferiority complex from having "your" Star Wars beat up on constantly. I'm sure that nostalgia blinders can even be a thing for these films. There's no need to carry on the tradition just because though. No "I learned to do it from watching you".

I think even OT fans had some self awareness and could acknowledge that it was 2 1/2 good movies. Beating up on the new stuff does not further legitimize "your" movies. The execution of the PT as a whole is a cautionary tale about what you should and should not do when you're one man with total power completely surrounded by yes men.

 

[brandonh83]

You can do this with absolutely every movie ever made, to be honest. Worst way to judge the quality of them.

You can do it with the other episodes too.

I see such extremes though when it comes to opinions. I love the originals, ROTJ less so other than the last third. I enjoy the prequels despite acknowledging the many issues; I don't think 1 and 2 are very good movies by technicality but I think they're fun with 2 having great atmosphere and moments. I genuinely like 3 a lot.

TFA was straight up fantastic for me and one of the better ones. I see complaints about it lacking originality or ideas, but I think that's very dependent on how the rest of it goes. I think there's potentially very interesting and new things going on with Rey and Benjamin, and while it follows a framework to a degree, I didn't think it was some deep "copy" of 4, just on the surface level. Beyond that there's more going on I think.

So I like them all just to varying degrees. 1 and 2 are the absolute low points, but they still have elements that I like, to a great deal even. 2 could have been incredible with better dialogue and performances but Portman is where most of my issues in that regard lie. I honestly have no immediate problem with Hayden personally.

 

[Cuburt]

It's better than TFA.

Lots of memorable scenes. Lots of good pay offs for what happens to all the characters. Anakin's fall was pulled off well enough but Sheev's turn was great. Also Obi-wan really shines in this film.

That younglin scene in the temple is brutal, even though the killing happens off screen, you know exactly what happens and when Padme and Obi-wan find out about it? Heart-wrenching.

It's not a great movie, but it gets to be considered good.

 

[Not Spaceghost]

I like revenge of the sith, not because it's a quality film but because it's a fun time to watch, it's also really memorable. Something about the cheesy lines, the weird inconsistent delivery just sticks with you.

Also it's easily William's best written score and has the most fun locations, even if they are all CGI.

 

[brandonh83]

I like revenge of the sith, not because it's a quality film but because it's a fun time to watch.

Yeah. The script was very nonstop, there's always things happening and I liked most of the drama. The opening alone is just relentlessly entertaining for me, such great action directing and just plain fun. I feel that way about the rest of it too.

Agree with the soundtrack shout out too, still probably my favorite of the scores though I'd put Empire SLIGHTLY above it due to stuff like Yoda's theme, the Cloud City introduction, the asteroid field sequence, etc. But it's close.

 

[Bonen no Max'd]

I like revenge of the sith, not because it's a quality film but because it's a fun time to watch, it's also really memorable. Something about the cheesy lines, the weird inconsistent delivery just sticks with you.

Also it's easily William's best written score and has the most fun locations, even if they are all CGI.

Hmmm, I'm trying to think of what places are standout in it. Utapau I guess? Mustafar was kind of lame imo, but other than those and Coruscant what was there?

 

[Sotha_Sil]

To put it in simplest terms, no.

Uninspired choreography, cringeworthy dialog, overuse of CGI, poor plot development, and poor acting.

The jedi masters being killed by clones was a great segment, though.

 

[gutter_trash]

Guys check out this totes believable romance that the entire conflict of Anakin's character centers on.

Such chemistry, such believability, George outdid himself, prequels were the best ever. He's a real force i'll you what. Do this with the girl you like, do it, literally stare at her tits and then creepily slide your hand up her back while she internally screams. I swear you'll have the best romance and you can talk about literally nothing else but how much you like each other.

such poor skill for a Jedi, LOL