Jayjayhd34
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I would love someone to calculate how much walking is actually involved to put this to bed ones and for all.
Is there a concerted effort to tear down Naughty Dog
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I would love someone to calculate how much walking is actually involved to put this to bed ones and for all.
Hobbygaming
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The fact that you're judging a whole game based off of 1-2 hours of spoilers when the length will be 25 hours or more, says more about you wanting the game to fail
You've already created a narrative for when it gets good review scores and if it didn't then you'd just say "I told y'all, this game is shit"
You say this game is giving a middle finger to its fans and then admit that you didn't really like the 1st game so why are you so threatened by it?
Hobbygaming
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Very well said The Last Word
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
People said this a lot about UC games that these are glorified walking simulator but i was surprised these are normal games with a lot of gameplay. These are just linear focused games which is not bad. Even UC4 has a lot of gameplay. TLOU is a bit more limited but it's just smaller in scope
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I really hope it's not 25 hours.... these games are best at 6-12 hour mark for me. Anything more and they have to lay it thinThe fact that you're judging a whole game based off of 1-2 hours of spoilers when the length will be 25 hours or more, says more about you wanting the game to fail
You've already created a narrative for when it gets good review scores and if it didn't then you'd just say "I told y'all, this game is shit"
You say this game is giving a middle finger to its fans and then admit that you didn't really like the 1st game so why are you so threatened by it?
Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
It's 25 30 hours on hard
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
How does difficulty affect length? if You have to repeat a section few times, then it's shit gameplay
Hobbygaming
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I'm the opposite. As long as the game has the good pacing of the 1st TLOU then the more the better and they did say it's about 50% longer than the 1st game which was on average about 15 hours just for the main story so Part II is at least 22 hours
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Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
Genually for average person harder means dying more for experienced gamer it should be less.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Why is it surprising that people would be so upset about the plot in LoU2, the narrative is like the #1 reason to play the game. Most people I know didn't care much for the gameplay but just played for the story. So if people know the story sucks in their opinion, there's little reason left for them to play.
Yeah 25 hours lol what the fuck
Also we're over 300 posts and OP hasn't really given any real evidence of any concerted effort
Yeah 25 hours lol what the fuck
Also we're over 300 posts and OP hasn't really given any real evidence of any concerted effort
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
This fucking video man... unbelievable.
Xbox shill creates narrative where "Sony is teh evil". What an idiot.
The entire premise is so hideously biased its a joke. Yet he continuously prates how his at pains to be fair... wow.
Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
Don't why the videos still up when everyone in the comments has already explained why. Cyberpunk got 500 ratings at 5 star.
fran.fernandez
Member
They are too good for us normal people who can't make games
Blond
Banned
You're out of your mind if you think TLOU Part 2 doesn't look better than Lost Legacy. After all, TLOU Part II is using an updated version of that same engine used for UC4 and Lost Legacy
It looks the same, I've downloaded raw 4K video and I just don't see any real improvements.
Bloody Knuckles
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This is why it's a bad take and I cant take your seriously. I know some of the spoilers and am still looking forward to the game but I wouldn't identify myself as an sjw, your painting everyone with this wide brush that meets your agenda and attitude towards others because they "may" support something you don't.
The whole "the game is bad" because you know maybe what two plot points is also bs because you dont t know the context about those moments in the plot and have no backstory as to why it happened. You literally read the ending or near ending of a book and said "well this book is garbage" meanwhile you haven't read 500 of its other pages. You dont like the game for"reasons" fine butyou can't say shit about story or plot because you never experienced it, your literally judging an album so to speak off two Tracks and saying it's a bad album. This is why I cant take people like you with your little arguments seriously at all, because you have no arguments.
Also did you play the first one? Why is there such an uproar about this game and its "agenda" and not the last? Did you have a problem with the first one? Did your realise it was revealed Ellie was gay then? Did you know the tough and gruff Bill also like to putt in the rough? Do you have a problem with strong female characters in that game? Tess was a strong female character also she technically was ALSO in charge. She fired the first shot first for the first encounter, Joel listened to HER until her death, she wanted to take Ellie to get the guns and then some, also she made Joel promise he would take up the reigns and finish what they started, in the end Joel listened to Tess. Speaking of strong female characters who was the leader of the Fire flies again.....oh right it was a woman, you know kind of maybe how there is a female antagonist in the new game to. Marlene, queen firefly surrounded by men yet she was the one in charge and they listened to her. Boy why didnt a man rise up and take her position? Maybe because she is well respected and gets shit done? Doesnt matter how strong you are, sometime just sometimes in games brains and smarts over strength.
If you havea problem with the last of us I'm not convincing you fora purchase, just to point out how flawed your dumb arguments are for thinking you know the whole story when you know two plot point, and no matter how BIG they are you have zero context as to the lead up and pull the story has. If your all saw in the first game was Sam commit suicide and never found out its because he had to kill his brother, the your lacking depth and context.
JareBear: Remastered
Banned
Are we SURE it's not a conspiracy?
Explosive Zombie
Banned
I've avoided no spoilers (watched the whole 90 minutes) and have no fondness for social justice bs, still excited for the game.
Your only hope is the main reason people play video games...
I didn't have much of a problem with this comment from them, they clearly meant the material is meant to be heavy enough that you wouldn't say it was fun even if the mechanics of the game are still fun. Like how a horror game is more out to scare you than be "fun". It's of course ignoring that for most people anything they enjoy participating in is fun, like I have "fun" watching Cannibal Holocaust. But it's pretty clear what they meant by it.
It's best not to answer questions with questions, especially when I can't really tell what you're asking. Are you really assuming there's no chance the game turns out well?
This is an interesting bit of info, weird how mad you are about an alleged middle finger into the fan's faces while admitting you didn't like the first game and didn't find the storytelling remotely as revolutionary as people say. Are you really the best source of info on what constitutes a middle finger to the fans? I would argue your inability to see a path towards the story being good is more a problem of your lack of imagination than any problem on ND's end.
joe_zazen
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Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
Agreed 100% I've bought the game looking forward to it accepted that might hate it. but ND have totally utterly handle this situation in worst way they deserve to held accountable for that there handing of this situation has been nothing but cringy say the least implying he cried over game he wrote years ago.. .. no game developer should be immune to criticism.
tassletine
Member
It's probably because they basically remake the same game over and over again, albeit extremely well.
When the public get bored and the games take so long to make, they will find things to pick at, and the most obvious targets will get blown up and thrown back in 'naughty Dog's faces. It's their own fault for not changing or being quicker — the public are just calling them out on this in an indirect way. They make superbly presented games but they really need to try something new — putting this much focus on STORY and what do you expect?
When the public get bored and the games take so long to make, they will find things to pick at, and the most obvious targets will get blown up and thrown back in 'naughty Dog's faces. It's their own fault for not changing or being quicker — the public are just calling them out on this in an indirect way. They make superbly presented games but they really need to try something new — putting this much focus on STORY and what do you expect?
Strategize
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I've seen all the leaks mate, there's nothing preachy about the story, and it's not a game about identity politics.
At best it expects you just not to fly into a frothing rage at the sight of a buff women or a gay couple, which for regular people not obsessed with identity politics, won't be a problem.
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Guilty_AI
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I think you completely missed the point mate. Never said uncharted series were bad games, just that their gameplay isn't really innovative and that they're undoubtly linear.Ok then, let's play your game.
Resident Evil 2 Remake (one of my favourite games) is the worst piece of shit ever. You can only walk on rails and aim and shoot with awful mechanics stuck from two generations prior, there's the worst aiming system ever concieved and there's literally nothing else you can do as a player in terms of actual mechanics, there's bullet sponges enemies everywere, the worst idea ever implemented in a game which is an unkillable bald wax hulk wannabe who just follows you to frigging punch you, braindad puzzles which are boring as fuck all while confined in the most strict environments ever seen, with absolutely zero physics and interaction whatsoever to be seen, assets recycled from past games, and a story/narrative which is worst than the original and every B movie ever made. Should have stayied in the nineties! 2/10
Gears of War is the most retarded video game series ever made. All you do is walking on rails and take cover, killing braindead enemies which doesn't make any sense and only serve as slight moving targets, all while doing literally nothing else in the entire fucking game, the worst character desing ever seen by mankind, super dull environments which are literal corridors and the worst boss battles and final bosses ever put into a game. Disgusting. 2/10
Max Payne 3 is an insult to the past games, is literally walking forward and nothing else in the most strict level design ever concieved, there's annoying as fuck unskippable cutscene literally every single minute of play, shooting actually sucks but trick players into thinking it's cool by adding those over used billions of times shitty slow mo Matrix style, AI sucks, Max just turned into a worthless old fart which had noting to do with the original. Embarassment. 1/10
Just Cause 2 shouldn't even be mentioned by anyone who have the audacity to call himselft a gamer. It makes you think you're free, but you're not since all you can do is walk, jump and open you fucking parachute. And it's an illusion of freedom since in the end all you can really do is moving the stick forward, left, right and down and that's it! Or driving the worst feeling vehicles ever seen in a "map" which is actually 70% made of shaders to made the illusion of water with nothing to see/do and the rest's a totally empty wasteland with recycled nature assets repeted everywere, with absolutely noting do to outside of those fucking camps which are literally seen in every single game in the past decade, AI is nonexistent, the actual mechanics sucks balls and the story/narration is literally the worst piece of crap ever assembled by a human being. Burn it with fire. 2/10
Should i continue?
Take it from a stranger, grow the fuck up.
And if you're really interested (sure you are) just type Uncharted 3 Making Of on Youtube or Google or Digital Foundry to understand what i meant.
Or Uncharted 2 GDC to realize to what extent Druckmann worked on Uncharted 2 writing/pacing.
"grow the fuck up."
Said the guy takes the slightiest criticism for his favorite games as if they're insulting his mother.
Take it from a stranger, you can enjoy stuff and still be critical of them.
When you think about it this isn't that much more different than the outrage over The Joker. A piece of media comes out which has some content people don't like and instead of just moving on to something they don't like they go to war against it and it's creator. Nobody has to like the game or any game for that matter but I some people act offended by it's very existence and I don't get it.
Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
People get outraged most stupid shit here in Britain ofcom deal with reports of tv broadcasted content and the things people report is mind baffling, you here about everyday content that's airing in the mourning abiding by watershed.
And the joker one of the best film to come out in decades in my opinion.
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Dr. Claus
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Yes, I have replayed the first (only game I currently have the Platinum trophy on and that includes the added Brutal difficulty). I still find it to be the far more entertaining entry compared to Uncharted 4. For me, the story was a far cry from an Uncharted story and I just didn't have fun with it. The gameplay also felt lesser to its previous entries.
Amy's vision still sounds far more interesting than what we got with Druckman and Co.
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Vick
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Not at all, i think you completely missed the point of my post.
I asked what game plays like Uncharted, and you posted and embarassing list of games which plays nothing like Uncharted and don't allow for the same amount of gameplay freedom during a shootout, most of which came out years after.
Then proceeded to spread blatant lies about how Uncharted set-pieces worked in both terms of gameplay and technical realization, like if they were simple scripted sequences like the ones found in every game, like if people didin't had to work for two entire years on a single sequence just NOT to provide what was done in other games.
You made me waste about two hours detailing why you were wrong utilizing not opinions, but simple facts you can find everywere on the internet and on this very forum in the multiple threads that were made at the time.
And then responded in the most dismissive way possible to not take a well deserved L on the fact you obliviosly never played the games and therefore can't understand the appeal (but still feel the need to come in every thread they're mentioned and try to dismiss them).
I utilized the same approach you used in analizing how the scripts worked, and proceeded to show how legit good games would look like under that distorted lens. My mistake was check your post history (with such an huge amount of blatant console warrior manchildren who just spread bullshit and nothing else and prevent this forum for being the legit place that it was and should be) before responding.
Exaclty, yes, they are, and that's the fucking point i wanted to made and why your post prior is such an irritating piece of crap. "An illusion of freedom, can you always use the horse?"
Of fucking course you can't because it's a linear globetrotting high paced tps with action adventure elements and not a damn open world, why the hell would i expect or want that?
Yet, during gameplay segments of an action scene they went and allowed to played to have more freedom than ever before during those sequences, which in other games would be simply cutscenes or awful QTE like in RE6.
No no, i take blatant bullshit and history revisions with reasons behind as if they're insulting my mother, just like i do with nutcases critizing Aliens Ripley for being too feminine or insulting James Cameron for being a misogynist, or many, many, many other things, because i'm sick and tired of lies and here i just want to discuss games without disingenuous persons interfering.
Exaclty, that's what i always do, so next time play the damn games so you we can criticize actual faults toghether.
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Explosive Zombie
Banned
It demonstrably did not. In fact it won ZERO https://gotypicks.blogspot.com/2011/09/2011-game-of-year.html
Uncharted 1, which is far more combat focused with far less variety/story focus than the rest is entertaining to you but Hennig's vision of an Uncharted 4 with half the gunplay gone sounds interesting? Most the time I see people praising Uncharted 1 it's due to its focus on combat.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Apologies. That was part of draft I had written that I thought I had removed due to misremembering the title (was thinking of Dragon Age Inquisition winning awards). I have since gone back and removed that bit as it wasn't supposed to have been posted anyhow. That was my bad.
For me, Uncharted 1 was dumb fun. It was weaker than 2 and 3, but I still found its more focused nature on the schlock and action compared to 4. 4 Felt overly disjointed in its story, characters, and how it told it. It didn't feel like an uncharted product. The characters felt alien to me. Compare that to Amy's vision, which had some choices in its gameplay that I will admit I questioned, but the plot and characters seemed far more in-line with what I know and enjoy.
Completely subjective (which I assumed went without saying). If you like Uncharted 4? Good on you. To me, it was just the weakest entry in the franchise.
Clarissa
Banned
All the derailers keep saying the ending sucks so it's a bad game.
Well. The journey is more important than the ending.
Mario games - Mario beats Bowser and saves Peach in the end.
Crappy nonsense ending. But Mario games are a joy to play and the Crappy Mario saves princess peach ending don't stop people from enjoying Mario games.
I sure as heck will enjoy my time playing TLOU 2.
Well. The journey is more important than the ending.
Mario games - Mario beats Bowser and saves Peach in the end.
Crappy nonsense ending. But Mario games are a joy to play and the Crappy Mario saves princess peach ending don't stop people from enjoying Mario games.
I sure as heck will enjoy my time playing TLOU 2.
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Jayjayhd34
Gold Member
nO 2016 overwa
The ending hasn't not leaked not single person knows ending of the game other than sony and ND. Lots of confirmed fake stuff going about lot of speculation Yes massive leaks have happened no denying that.
The ending hasn't not leaked not single person knows ending of the game other than sony and ND. Lots of confirmed fake stuff going about lot of speculation Yes massive leaks have happened no denying that.
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Vick
Member
I have, i'm sorry. Dunno how that happened.
Great opinions on Drake's Fortune.
You should play Brutal without using the tweak glitch man.. i know Bluepoint made the mode but what an amazing experience that was, made me appreciate it even more. Brilliant game.
Fuck those people, for real. They're the reason Hennig version of U4 consisted in spending half game without firing a single bullet.
Uncharted was perfect as it was.
PREACH! ❤
Still, fuck agendas.
SirTerry-T
Member
I'm the poster who mocked the "games as art' stance. Of course games can and should be taken as seriously as anything else in the creative spectrum but the point I was making, was that ND's output is no more "art" than a lot of other games out there. Other games whose creators don't look down their noses or insinuate that the games put out by other studios are some how less worthy because those games are not "Serious" or don't tackle THE IMPORTANT ISSUES OF THE DAY (tm).
Or maybe games that are just fun???
See to me, a single shot from a Jeff Minter Tempest game is just as important to the industry and worthwhile as an example of the gaming medium being taken seriously as any shot from an ND game.
It's the notion that Naughty Dog are perceived as being this untouchable beacon as what games can be and, heaven forbid, "should be", THAT is what is getting a bit tiresome for some of us to keep hearing about.
Some game fans want a game with a deep storyline, some of us just want a high score table, that doesn't mean that one should be taken more seriously than the other.
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Screamer-RSA
Member
Well since ND staff is telling their fans not to buy their game, the game is not for them, and everyone that criticize their choices are alt right "chuds" I'd say ND and Sony is doing a pretty good job at tearing themselves down.
Both yes and no I think.
There are Youtubers and websites like OAG who lets be real here ONLY care about this because they're anti-SJW's and they hate anything even remotely progressive, they're like the right-wing version of the Resetera folks. They came out in full force because of the Samurai Shodown thing too recently, it's pretty clear that they don't actually care about the game and they just get really loud because some Youtuber or website they follow did a video/ wrote about it. Often times they don't even know what is actually going on and are completely misinformed and assume things.
That's clearly going on here with Naughty Dogs too, especially since Druckmann kinda is a bit of a douchebag and has pandered to the Sarkeesians of the industry quite a lot. It basically makes him the devil incarnate to these people. I mean even as someone who doesn't like Druckmann and Sarkeesian people really do go overboard with it and have no benefit of the doubt whatsoever and just assume the worst at all times.
Then there's genuine fans who are just disappointed, I think we've all been there and it's bound to happen at some point I think.
Nothing lasts forever.
And then there's people like me who have always thought that Naughty Dog games were overrated and not that special and are kinda more outspoken about it now because every time we've talked about it before we've been dogpiled and mocked for it.
It's like this with every big AAA franchise whether it's movies or video games, if you criticize it or say anything negative at all you get dogpiled by countless of people who are extremely fanatical and take everything way too far.
At least now it's somewhat acceptable to say that you're not a fan of TLOU, but if you said that like a year ago people would go insane and downvote you into oblivion and dogpile you.
So yeah are there people who are just trying to tear down Naughty Dog because they themselves have an agenda and they see Naughty Dog as the enemy?
Yes.
But there is also a lot of genuine criticism and people who are just disappointed too, and Naughty Dog are at fault to some extent too because a lot of their top devs are behaving pretty poorly too. I mean I have very little respect for Druckmann after he threw other game devs under the bus in his talk where he talked about Sarkeesian and basically just wildly accused game developers of being sexist and misogynistic...
There are Youtubers and websites like OAG who lets be real here ONLY care about this because they're anti-SJW's and they hate anything even remotely progressive, they're like the right-wing version of the Resetera folks. They came out in full force because of the Samurai Shodown thing too recently, it's pretty clear that they don't actually care about the game and they just get really loud because some Youtuber or website they follow did a video/ wrote about it. Often times they don't even know what is actually going on and are completely misinformed and assume things.
That's clearly going on here with Naughty Dogs too, especially since Druckmann kinda is a bit of a douchebag and has pandered to the Sarkeesians of the industry quite a lot. It basically makes him the devil incarnate to these people. I mean even as someone who doesn't like Druckmann and Sarkeesian people really do go overboard with it and have no benefit of the doubt whatsoever and just assume the worst at all times.
Then there's genuine fans who are just disappointed, I think we've all been there and it's bound to happen at some point I think.
Nothing lasts forever.
And then there's people like me who have always thought that Naughty Dog games were overrated and not that special and are kinda more outspoken about it now because every time we've talked about it before we've been dogpiled and mocked for it.
It's like this with every big AAA franchise whether it's movies or video games, if you criticize it or say anything negative at all you get dogpiled by countless of people who are extremely fanatical and take everything way too far.
At least now it's somewhat acceptable to say that you're not a fan of TLOU, but if you said that like a year ago people would go insane and downvote you into oblivion and dogpile you.
So yeah are there people who are just trying to tear down Naughty Dog because they themselves have an agenda and they see Naughty Dog as the enemy?
Yes.
But there is also a lot of genuine criticism and people who are just disappointed too, and Naughty Dog are at fault to some extent too because a lot of their top devs are behaving pretty poorly too. I mean I have very little respect for Druckmann after he threw other game devs under the bus in his talk where he talked about Sarkeesian and basically just wildly accused game developers of being sexist and misogynistic...
I am pretty vocal at times about how I think that Sony exclusives are overrated.
But honestly it's mostly because Sony fanboys are seriously the most obnoxious and irritating people in the industry...
And saying that a game is overrated isn't the same as saying that it's bad, but that's how people interpret it.
It's the same with the MCU, I don't hate the MCU and Marvel movies.
But I hate the fanboys who act like they're these flawless works of art that transcend existence itself or something.
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Daniel_Mallorca1985
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No
Venom Snake
Member
Nah, it's just people overreacting. 
D.Final
Banned
Nah, it's just people overreacting.
True for the most part