Is there a concerted effort to tear down Naughty Dog
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quickwhips
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Naughty dog single player isnt for me but their multiplayer is some id the best. I hope it releases on ps4.
Hobbygaming
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Yep and half of them probably never played it. It's my personal GOTG but that might change with TLOU Part II coming next month
JareBear: Remastered
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I really enjoyed TLOU MP and UC4 MP. Underrated
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thelastword
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LOU 2 is a PS4 game.....It kinda confuses, because it looks miles better than so many revealed next gen games.....
Hobbygaming
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I still can't believe what ND pulled off with TLOU Part II from that new trailer
They were right when they said they're redefining AAA
Blond
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How many of those copies sold were bundled in with consoles? Uncharted was a good seller but give me a fucking break if you think it's popularity skyrocketed to the tune of more than 10 million fans considering Uncharted 3 lifetime peaked at 6 million before Uncharted 4 and launched at 3.2. That's more than peak Halo and multi-platform GTA launch numbers! Hell, the copy I have now I bought used is even labeled "not for resale." Let's not act like these numbers happened organically, 16 million individual people did not buy those games.
Uncharted 4s reception among anybody that isn't braindead or blue checkmarked is that people barely liked or hated his brother because Duckman pulled him out of his ass narrative wise.
Most levels we're just long platforming and exposition and the best set piece was shown at E3.
Nadine seemed like a great character till she basically became super woman and managed to avoid every blow thrown at her.
There's no effort to destroy Naughty Dog! This is very similar in tone to when Dragon Age 2 was released; filled to the brim with character assassinations and propaganda, a writer who let their love of story surpass their love of designing a good game and shifting internal politics we're on display and everything that came after was a giant piece of shit because anyone worthwhile jump shipped afterwards.
B-universe
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...of which you've watched, what?, hours and hours of gameplay footage, right? And they were all AAA first-party titles, right?
TLoU2 looks stunning.
But hold your horses till you get a proper look at AAA next-gen titles. TLoU2 can still come out on top, But as of now that's just utter...fairness?... talking.
When are you going to present evidence in support of the claim ND is under a concerted attack to wreck it to pieces?
Should I thrust you to "view the game objectively when it releases"?
You know, you being the impartial guy that you are, unlike most posters in this thread?
Because it's been decided that anyone criticizing TLoU2 is biased, whereas those few brave souls praising it are beacons of sobriety.
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Blond
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You're out of your mind if you think TLOU 2, technically speaking, looks any better than Lost Legacy with a different art direction than you're losing it. Madden 21 looked so good that it took me rewinding it to realize that was gameplay I thought was spliced ESPN footage.
Hobbygaming
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You're out of your mind if you think TLOU Part 2 doesn't look better than Lost Legacy. After all, TLOU Part II is using an updated version of that same engine used for UC4 and Lost Legacy
KingdomHeartsFan
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This, you make a shit story your gonna get criticism. There's nothing else to it.
JareBear: Remastered
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What's the basis of comparison?
Explosive Zombie
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Amy Hennig's vision for Uncharted 4 included it having zero gunplay for the first half of the game. Most consider Uncharted 3 a step down from 2 due to the slow start it had, that game had no involvement from Druckman, it was Hennig's baby. Personally, I thought UC 4 was easily the best entry for gameplay. As far as story? Well, I was always more interested in how the story was told in an Uncharted game than what the story actually was. The plots were always bad versions of Indiana Jones/Tomb Raider plots but the animations, telling it through gameplay and likability of characters made the telling of the story fantastic and UC4 wasn't lacking there. It's a really weird narrative that's cropped up that UC4 was the worst entry (have you guys recently replayed the first?). it certainly doesn't reflect actual consensus...
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I don't currently possess a PS4, when PS5 was announced I sold my Pro and decided I could wait to play games like TLOU II when I get a PS5. I don't see where I've praised the game really, I haven't played it, my input is strictly based on the idea of NOT coming to conclusions so early. I've made similar arguments in the past for media that ended up failing to please me, whether it be Rise of Skywalker or Anthem, I know I have the ability to admit something turned out poorly and it's part of why I'm not jumping on the "I know TLOU II will be good because x" while others say "I know TLOU II will be bad because y". But if you can find me saying otherwise go for it.
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Vick
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Ok then, let's play your game.
Resident Evil 2 Remake (one of my favourite games) is the worst piece of shit ever. You can only walk on rails and aim and shoot with awful mechanics stuck from two generations prior, there's the worst aiming system ever concieved and there's literally nothing else you can do as a player in terms of actual mechanics, there's bullet sponges enemies everywere, the worst idea ever implemented in a game which is an unkillable bald wax hulk wannabe who just follows you to frigging punch you, braindad puzzles which are boring as fuck all while confined in the most strict environments ever seen, with absolutely zero physics and interaction whatsoever to be seen, assets recycled from past games, and a story/narrative which is worst than the original and every B movie ever made. Should have stayied in the nineties! 2/10
Gears of War is the most retarded video game series ever made. All you do is walking on rails and take cover, killing braindead enemies which doesn't make any sense and only serve as slight moving targets, all while doing literally nothing else in the entire fucking game, the worst character desing ever seen by mankind, super dull environments which are literal corridors and the worst boss battles and final bosses ever put into a game. Disgusting. 2/10
Max Payne 3 is an insult to the past games, is literally walking forward and nothing else in the most strict level design ever concieved, there's annoying as fuck unskippable cutscene literally every single minute of play, shooting actually sucks but trick players into thinking it's cool by adding those over used billions of times shitty slow mo Matrix style, AI sucks, Max just turned into a worthless old fart which had noting to do with the original. Embarassment. 1/10
Just Cause 2 shouldn't even be mentioned by anyone who have the audacity to call himselft a gamer. It makes you think you're free, but you're not since all you can do is walk, jump and open you fucking parachute. And it's an illusion of freedom since in the end all you can really do is moving the stick forward, left, right and down and that's it! Or driving the worst feeling vehicles ever seen in a "map" which is actually 70% made of shaders to made the illusion of water with nothing to see/do and the rest's a totally empty wasteland with recycled nature assets repeted everywere, with absolutely noting do to outside of those fucking camps which are literally seen in every single game in the past decade, AI is nonexistent, the actual mechanics sucks balls and the story/narration is literally the worst piece of crap ever assembled by a human being. Burn it with fire. 2/10
Should i continue?
Take it from a stranger, grow the fuck up.
And if you're really interested (sure you are
) just type Uncharted 3 Making Of on Youtube or Google or Digital Foundry to understand what i meant.Or Uncharted 2 GDC to realize to what extent Druckmann worked on Uncharted 2 writing/pacing.
B-universe
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Your criticism has been squarely targeted at one side of the debate.
I take that as Yes. In your mind, I'd be able to trust you to be objective about TLoU2 when it releases, whereas practically everyone else around here wouldn't be up to the task.
Roger that.
If TLOU2 sucks I will admit it but no signs point to that being the case and ND has yet to let me down. I even like Uncharted 3 which was actually my first ND game since it came with the PS3. Even if it does suck I won't hold a grudge like some people do. That being said I have no issue admitting when one of my favorite franchises gets it wrong.
Explosive Zombie
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One side of the debate has made their mind up about the game, the other hasn't. All the defenses we've made haven't been "no, the game will rock" it's been "no, wait and see." And your side is also more vocal and numerous, I'm not under any guidelines to be exceptionally fair but even if I was are their people saying they know how good it will be? Because I've been told by many people it's clearly shit and you don't need to smell it to realize it.
Also, I thought I made it clear I won't even be able to play the game when it releases?
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quickwhips
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Or they havent announced how multiplayer is releasing.
B-universe
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My side?
You must have never read what I've posted on TLoU2.
Frankly, that comment only adds to the general hilarity of your post.
Explosive Zombie
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Deflection is a nice tactic. If you're arguing me out of pure objectivism and haven't taken a side explain how I'm wrong about the claims being far less severe from one side than another. If one side is telling me the game is absolutely a piece of shit and they don't need to play it and the other is saying they're open to trying the game out and finding out for themselves how is that equivalent? Who's the person shilling for the game I should be arguing with?
Vanitymachine
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No. I've loved every naughty dog game since the first Uncharted onwards and always looked forward to them. That is until the Last of Us Part 2.
Since Uncharted their games have always revolved around story and atmosphere and nothing I've seen about the Last of Us 2 looks appealing in those regards. This is compounded by the fact that I'm just fatigued by having the same leftist ideas pushed into every AAA game for about 5 years now. This didn't bother me at first, I didn't even pay attention to it. But it's hard to ignore now because these ideas have been perverted into something more toxic and divisive and just the sheer volume of it throughout the industry and the sameness of themes across games. I'm bored with it, and don't have any interest in another game that follows those same beats.
The negativity around Naughty Dog is just a natural reaction to a long established studio taking a divisive stand that obviously a large portion of their audience dislikes.
The game well probably sell fine, because internet drama has limited reach. But I don't think, based on what we know, many people will be happy with it.
Since Uncharted their games have always revolved around story and atmosphere and nothing I've seen about the Last of Us 2 looks appealing in those regards. This is compounded by the fact that I'm just fatigued by having the same leftist ideas pushed into every AAA game for about 5 years now. This didn't bother me at first, I didn't even pay attention to it. But it's hard to ignore now because these ideas have been perverted into something more toxic and divisive and just the sheer volume of it throughout the industry and the sameness of themes across games. I'm bored with it, and don't have any interest in another game that follows those same beats.
The negativity around Naughty Dog is just a natural reaction to a long established studio taking a divisive stand that obviously a large portion of their audience dislikes.
The game well probably sell fine, because internet drama has limited reach. But I don't think, based on what we know, many people will be happy with it.
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Hobbygaming
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I think TLOU Part II will be in some ways better than Part 1 and I think it'll continue to show that Naughty Dog is at the top of the mountain in game development
We'll be hearing about how great this game is for a very long time
We'll be hearing about how great this game is for a very long time
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Explosive Zombie
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So, I think B-Universe wants me to tell you off, really I'd just say your attitude doesn't look objective and that if I want to know how TLOU II turned out you might not be the first place to turn as you've already decided we'll be hearing how great it is for a very long time. You said it like it's factual and not simply a possibility. You do use terms like "I think" in the first sentence but the second seems more like a statement of what will happen. All of that said, I'm not really all that offended by positivity, if people want to be excited they have every right (people can also cancel pre-orders and not buy it all they like). The point B-Universe seemed to have contention with was that if the reporters are too afraid to go against "woke SJW" stuff to give it bad scores and can't be trusted isn't the same true of people dug into their positions against the game? This question never really asserted there weren't people who existed who were dug in on the opposite side but B-Universe's astute observation that I haven't been attempting to tell people like you off for being excited seems to indicate bias on my part. I'd never deny bias, though and I think those who do are usually lying. It's level of bias that's key and how much our bias blinds us. Were you such a DC movies shill you defended Suicide Squad? Were you such a Nintendrone you think the WiiU was a successful console? I'd be lying if I said my own biases against woke SJW politics have concerned me about TLOU II but considering I like it when games turn out well and don't champion games failing I don't often show that I worry about that, because truly I'm biased in the sense that I want good games to play, it makes life better. If I had it my way games like Anthem, Battlefield V and Fallout 76 would turn around and become amazing games, I'd love that! More fun for me! That's probably why I spend less time scolding people for being excited for a game. That said I'd still argue most excitement has been couched in the fact that things could go awry and that we're simply hopeful whereas most anti-hype tells us we know enough already and don't need to try it out. It's simply not 1:1.
Hobbygaming
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My confidence comes from what we've seen of the game especially in the last trailer
And Naughty Dog's confidence is assuring as well. You can tell they put a lot into this game it's their most ambitious game ever
Explosive Zombie
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It's interesting to me that even people I like are losing their minds a bit over this game. So much of this is just outrage bait/clickbait. He admits in the comments he will "investigate" what people are telling him (that by pre-ordering the game you can rate it) which totally nullifies his entire video but still mentions questioning why it's so positive... I guess people routinely pre-purchase games just to give it a 1 star review in his world? This stuff gets clicks, though, and plenty of people won't even bother checking his comment below the video where he acknowledges people saying he's wrong about how the system works.
Hobbygaming
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JareBear: Remastered
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Everyone
I appreciate your positivity and truly respect your confidence but, my dude, how many times can your message get repeated in one thread?
TLOU2 is better looking than anything than anything else shown recently
TLOU2 will be an incredible
there's only so many ways you flavor the same meal
Hobbygaming
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I'm just excited for this game and I know it's going to be damn good. If my positive comments bug you then you'll have a long year though lol
I swear this has turned into Gamergate pt2. When preorder a game on the PS store you can rate it and Cyberpunk 2077 which doesn't come out until this fall also has a perfect rating. Naturally the people who are preordering the game right now are the ones who are still excited for it so they are giving it high scores. It happens with every heavily anticipated title. Why can't these people just move on to games that they actually do like instead of trying to wage a war against this game and anybody that does like it. The game is also the only preorder in the top 10 on PSN so the people who still look forward to it are way more than you think.
Bloody Knuckles
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Jesus there are bad takes and then there is shit likes this..... good lord people
Hobbygaming
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The excuses are already rolling in for when this game does well
Bloody Knuckles
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If the game scores well there will be an excuse, if it sells well there will be an excuse, if it wins goty there will be an excuse.
And somehow this makes people feel good about themselves.
TheGreatYosh
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Yes. The concerted effort is coming from Neil Drunkman.
Vick
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Uncharted 4 had the best gameplay mechanics in ND history (Bruce Straley was the GOAT, i really believe he made the best TPS ever here, or at least it would be if they let us use those fucking sublime mechanics outside of multiplayer and encounter selection waaay more than they did), the best graphics ever when it came out (well, The Order was more consistent, but this game also had one the most impressive physics/destructions i've ever seen, better character models, better AI, more enemies, driveable vehicles, just overall waay longer/bigger), beautiful places, nice gameplay addictions, the very best climbing mechanics of any game i've played to this day (but too much of it, yes it felt good but not in slightest as fun and exciting as the shooting), the perfect pacing (for anything but a videogame), and the single best playable set piece in history (spoiled before) which was only beated by Lost Legacy. Most reviewers couldn't honestly gave it any less than what they gave it i think, since, i mean, it is a materpiece on so many categories.
Yet despite all that, i agree, it was my least favourite Uncharted. Can't even point my finger on why i didn't "felt it", don't want to believe the change of composer or lack of sovrannatural mattered this much to me, but it's true.
It felt like Uncharted and didn't felt like Uncharted at the same time, not a well balanced game imo. As a videogame at least, since as i said in terms of story beats, narration and pacing the thing is pretty much perfect.
Plus TLOU openness most of the time felt absolutely useless in this game and only dragged the game for too long. In TLOU you NEED to to explore, but here?
I thought Lost Legacy was an actually great game and the final set piece is absolutely mental.
But hell, just give me Drake, i need Nolan North in Uncharted, you don't make an Indiana Jones game to let me play as Marion in company of Elsa FFS!
Plus i know it's beaten to death, but really, fuck Nadine. She's even likeable to some extent but my god in heaven, Drake killed thousands of people, beat up countless brutes with his bare hands, beated a fucking magician in a head to head fight, survived the impossibile thousands of times, yet he AND his genetic brother (who spent most of his life in prison working out) were both humiliated by her and could't even land ONE hit while fighting togheter.. that's the stupidest shit ever. I can believe anything, but this was insulting.
Drake's Fortune is possibly my favourite.
Nah, the original trilogy is all on the same level for me, for different reasons. Uncharted 2 is the better overall product (a fucking masterpiece of a game), Uncharted 3 had by far the most spectacular, absolutely insane set pieces of the series, and Uncharted DF is Uncharted; you're confined on one island you explore, the atmosphere is off the charts, there's the best human enemies in terms of design, AI, animations and hitbox, it's the most Amy Hennig of all of them. I fucking love Drake's Fortune.
But still, enemies reactions to bullets on U2 but especially U3 are sooo dumbed down from the first one. In U3 it's honeslty annoing, you shoot people running who just don't stop and the only way to find out if you hit them is looking for blood splatters, ridiculous.
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Silver Wattle
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This is how I see OP;
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I think with Uncharted, it just boils down to fatigue and how far the spectacle of the set pieces take you. The gun play in the series is debatable, I tend to fall in the camp that doesn't love it and prefer guns that have more punch and are more brutal (oddly enough, TLOU satisfies in this department). Uncharted 3 exhausted me with its' set pieces and it always felt like it was trying to one-up Uncharted 2 which was already over the top. I think Uncharted 4 did a better job of dialing back that insanity. All I really remember from Uncharted 4 is predicting every platform, ledge or handhold that was going to crumble beneath Nate, how boring that contrivance is and just wanting to see the credits roll. I guess that's a long winded way of saying I got bored with the series after Uncharted 2.
Werewolf Jones
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Anyone saying they've ever made a bad game is talking some fucking shit. But yes some of their games are praised too much and aren't worthy of high praise.
ND has always had some criticism from people but only now with TLOU2 blow out has it gone full out and for one game particularly. I just think after it releases they need to come forward and address the critique people have given them whether fact or fiction to settle it all besides the leaks of course. Can't really fix them with words.
ND has always had some criticism from people but only now with TLOU2 blow out has it gone full out and for one game particularly. I just think after it releases they need to come forward and address the critique people have given them whether fact or fiction to settle it all besides the leaks of course. Can't really fix them with words.
HaveButOneLife
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The game sounds genuinely terrible, anybody who is still looking forward to it are either out of the loop and avoided spoilers or associate themselves with social justice, and my point was that journalists are rabid SJW's just like the Naughty Dog team and their reviews will reflect upon that.
Instead of sh*tposting you can just contribute with an argument on the contrary.
What's your bad take about the game actually being good gonna be? Let's hear it, because my only hope left now is gameplay.
That tells people more about fanboyism rather than the actual quality of the game itself.
Mind you this is the same dev that said that they're not aiming for "fun". How anybody can still defend and make excuses for this trash is beyond me.
For what?
There's no way of executing that particular story well, especially with the obvious pandering.
It's more than the SJW stuff although that's part of the reason, it's sticking a middle finger in front of their fans' faces. Then again a lot of people like myself didn't even like the first game nor found its storytelling to be anything even remotely revolutionary as much as people say. There just isn't a way that they can make this game's story good because, you know, SJW's care more about preaching to you rather than coming up with a half decent story. So, no, with the leaks that's not much of a possibility anymore.
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xrnzaaas
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First of all, there are many games played by millions of people which are despised or ignored by the others at the same time. Naughty Dog isn't an exception here. It doesn't necessarily have to be a personal attack on them. Personally I enjoyed the gameplay in all of the Uncharted games and in TLoU1 even though they were all based on a similar template.
Second of all, TLoU 2 is looking to be their first heavily SJW infected game. Sure, you could predict where they were heading from the Left Behind DLC and Uncharted Lost Legacy, but those games for most part were still "neutral". In my opinion TLoU 2 will be their first big test. It certainly didn't help them that people found out about large parts of the story before playing the game.
Second of all, TLoU 2 is looking to be their first heavily SJW infected game. Sure, you could predict where they were heading from the Left Behind DLC and Uncharted Lost Legacy, but those games for most part were still "neutral". In my opinion TLoU 2 will be their first big test. It certainly didn't help them that people found out about large parts of the story before playing the game.
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You were the one who mentioned unique, so I'll leave that to you.
God of War (also managed to look good and have a story.)
Nioh.
Sekiro.
Doom (Eternal.)
Nier: Automata.
Monster Hunter World.
But if you want unique I guess there is Death Stranding. (Note I said you and only unique.)
If we go back a little further there's the Wonderful 101, although one could argue that's just Pikmin if you really try.
prinz_valium
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LMAO you guys.
It's obvious people talk about all the ND games made in the last 10 years and not those from 30 years ago.
Hey Nokia is a fucking tire company. How can someone say they only make network equipment
If you talk about good conversations try to realize what people are talking about and not make a totally different argument.
sublimit
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I always thought that ND were at their peak during Uncharted 1-3. Those games felt as if they came out almost effortless due to the company's DNA at that time. I know that those games obviously had tremendous work behind them but to me as a viewer felt as if the company had a lot of fun making them and that showed in the games themselves. Maybe that is due to the development videos i've watched or maybe due to the games themselves which didn't take themselves very seriously and just wanted to tell pulp adventures full of cheesy moments,with beautiful colors and a huge variety of exotic locations for the player to explore (even if the exploration was quite minimal).
But after U3 i felt that something changed with them and started taking themselves (and their games) way too seriously.I was never a fan of the first TLoU and even Uncharted 4 lost something of the cheesyness of the first 3 games that i loved.
There's no question that ND is an extremelly talented studio at what they do (regardless if i like their output or not) and anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or a fanboy from another platform. But i would be lying if i said that i liked the direction the studio has been going for after Uncharted 3.
But after U3 i felt that something changed with them and started taking themselves (and their games) way too seriously.I was never a fan of the first TLoU and even Uncharted 4 lost something of the cheesyness of the first 3 games that i loved.
There's no question that ND is an extremelly talented studio at what they do (regardless if i like their output or not) and anyone who says otherwise is either an idiot or a fanboy from another platform. But i would be lying if i said that i liked the direction the studio has been going for after Uncharted 3.
thelastword
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We'll probably get the MP later due to the ambition of the SP. Separate download.
Drake's Fortune is possibly my favourite.
Nah, the original trilogy is all on the same level for me, for different reasons. Uncharted 2 is the better overall product (a fucking masterpiece of a game), Uncharted 3 had by far the most spectacular, absolutely insane set pieces of the series, and Uncharted DF is Uncharted; you're confined on one island you explore, the atmosphere is off the charts, there's the best human enemies in terms of design, AI, animations and hitbox, it's the most Amy Hennig of all of them. I fucking love Drake's Fortune.
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I think you have the wrong quote. It's not my quote. I'm on record many times on these forums saying Drakes Fortune is my favorite. I've penned the details many times before. Of course I think all the UC titles are great, but something about Drakes Fortune resonated with me much more; the characters, the island, the kinda spooky atmosphere, the story and the way it was presented was really well done, when they captured Elena, when they were walking across the bridge which collapsed. All of these were great/tense moments....That warehouse section, the church and sewers. hell, leading up to the abandoned church was so atmospheric.....I've played DF on crushing so many times, every playthrough was tense. I must say another area ND nails gameplay design is in the difficulty, it's tough but fair, it's challenging but that's what you want playing UC......Same with TLOU on the highest difficulty. They are great experiences on normal, but the higher difficulties really sings for tip of your seat gaming...….That is certainly not the case for many other games. Like Crysis which can be breezed through on the higher difficulties.
The issue is not with people who prefer other games. I'll say this, you will never see me quarrelling with a man for his preference. If I ever pit two games against each other I will tell you why; gameplay, animation, physics, framerate, characters, ATD, graphics wise, why I think so. Still, people can like what they like, so I have no issue with preference, but we can discuss the minute details and the more objective bits......If after all the objective bits, you deem the game inferior on all these objective levels is better, I will respect that, because there is always something that jives with people with one game or another even though they are not leading the roost on all elements of game's makeup.
I think Naughty has been under fire for many trivial reasons, and I've explained it already in the OP. My take on this is not solely from the leaked stuff, it's how people have been a crusade to diminish GOTY games, like UC2 and UC4 as if they were b tier games or bad rats caliber. We should embracing well done and highly praised games and great studios. With all these studios shutting down, projects being cancelled, we have a studio in ND and many others which are trying to push the envelope on all levels; visuals, animation, story, gameplay, we should appreciate that. OF course that are people who genuinely prefer other games, that's fine, but they would not be on forums saying ND is overrated and falling down, Druckmann is shit, there is no evidence to align with such views, the current evidence paints a rather different picture from such views, so it's definitely a smear.....Cue any recent thread where people are discussing UC4, they all come out of the woodwork to express their disdain and you hear the same tired complaints that are just regurgitated from one person, UC4 has pacing issues, no it does not. UC4 has a different gameplay design, because the mob were complaining that drake was a mass murderer in the early titles...…
If there is one thing devs should never do is to listen to the vocal mob, do you game on your vision, it's your game, you are director not them.....As it's clear, millions love UC for what it is, trying to appease an angry crowd is never the answer because most times they are not genuine in their discourse, they are only trying to insinuate that there is an issue with a franchise so you could mess it up for the millions that love the franchise just the way it is.....Look at tomb raider, they said they need more tombs and exploring. Let's be honest that worked before, gamers were more patient and adventurous, right now people will just call an old school tomb raider a walking jumping sim, they'd call it boring when it ships......So despite people saying I want the old school TR gameplay, don't ever make the mistake and do that. Most people want action in their games. It's the same with the RE Remake games, imagine if it was the same camera and the action was not as heavy and gruesome and more modern, people would tear it a new pie-hole, but you had a very vocal crowd saying they wanted old school RE, but then the franchise really started singing when RE4 hit...
I'm not saying ND cant be criticized, I'm just saying there is a well oiled vocal crowd, even some of the media are engaged in putting the cart before the horse. I've read many negative pieces of 70% of ND designers leaving in the last couple of years means that the ND castle is crumbling, people doing reviews on the leak, anytime you discuss a UC game, visuals, gameplay, then ants come out of the woodwork to play, they hate the game, but are in every UC thread where people are discussing the fine details and how much they love it, they spend less time in threads discussing the games which they deem better than UC by far or playing said games. It's things like that causes me to believe it's a smear, people want to see Naughty fall, especially if you have a guy like Druckmann who wont back down and defend his work, Even that is a slight to people. Like he should just stay there and take their cats of nine tails like a martyr, a martyr for what cause exactly, his right to tell a story how he wants in his game? People are coming down hard, they hate Druckmann, Druckmann is an asshole, why? Because he put a few lesbians in game, one was already in the first, god forbid that she has other friends who were that way. Then he defends his game, his story and vision and everybody think he should not talk back to them. This is both sad and hilarious.....In any case, check the history with these Sony games. After the smear, comes good news for the games....People will see the game is not the devil incarnate as the vocal crowd is making it out to be, people so intent on telling you how LOU 2 sucks before the full game can be reviewed or accessed, they can't even wait to lay their spiky pipe on release day.....They need to lay the gasoline, traps and oil slicks on the road to....
Huh? That still doesn't qualify. As I already stated, the Uncharted and TLOU games are primarily 3rd person shooters. You even drive vehicles in some of them, and there are still some platforming elements that carried over into the Uncharted games.
If those games are "walking simulators" then so is pretty much every other 3rd person action game. It's not real criticism, it's a dumb way of being dismissive.