Is this new wave of banning video games really the new road?

Lambhalf said:
A game cannot hurt you. It has no feelings. Should we ban Gears of War now?
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A game cannot hurt you, let's make a 3D animation game where you rape small forms made out of pixels that ressemble children. It's animation, these are not real children.

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What a shit take. The world would not survive one day with fucking libertarians running it.
 
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IDKFA said:
Are we talking about that rape simulator on Steam?

I'm not for censorship to a certain extent. For example, I hated when the James Bond and Roald Dahl books were changed to suit modern audiences.

However, I do have a line.

For example, if somebody made a pedophile simulator, would you cry censorship if people wanted it removed from Steam, or would that be a step too far?
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Sorry to de-rail, but what 007 books are we talking about? Classic bond? I sure hope not. Which ones? Well I guess all the books are classics now, as the author died over 60 years ago.
 
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This is freedom at work. The No Mercy devs have every right to make that game, no matter how fucked up it is. Valve has every right to not sell that game on their store. Devs can always sell their game direct to customers.

I'm not seeing a problem. There is no censorship here. This game can exist and be sold.
 
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San Dan Glokta said:
I'm actually not against banning video games or censorship when needed.

My problem is with fucking hypocrites with agendas and virtue-signalling shallow ulterior motives that galvanize pearl-clutching zombies against things they have no business in because they have no life. Fucking fake outrage by fake fucks.

If the entity requesting a ban/censorship is reasonable in its request then acquiescing absolutely should be on the table. The videogame No Mercy was NOT one of those instances.
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Being concerned about a hypocritical perception is so last decade. We won't let foolish things like that stop us from doing what must be done to reclaim civil society. The fact we were ever so caught up in such foolish mind games is laughable in hindsight. Going forward we will do what is best for material security and healthy reproduction, with no thought for trivialities like "fairness" and "logical consistency".
 
Lambhalf said:
In regards to some of the threads on people banning games from Steam, I had a thought.
Are you people insane?

A game cannot hurt you. It has no feelings. Should we ban Gears of War now?

I keep seeing these puritan anti-artistic viewpoints all over now. WTF happened to game choice? I don't care what the content is as long its legal.

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
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In fairness, Steam are a private company and can choose to sell what they want. Nothing is "banned".

Who are you to criticise a private company for making a business decision?
 
"new wave"

as in one game, that fetishizes sexual assault/rape and incest.

like if that's the hill you wanna die on then more power to you.

Just don't be shocked when FBI comes a knocking :messenger_tears_of_joy:
 
It's not a new phenomenon. People have been trying to ban video games for decades for various reasons. Like when they were claiming GTA was turning kids into murderers.

The reality of the situation is that freedom of expression, artistic or otherwise, comes with responsibilities and isn't without repercussions. Just because something is legal doesn't mean people must accept it as moral or ethical. Other people are just as free to express criticism toward you for how you express yourself. It's perfectly fine that people protest against someone who makes or plays rape and incest simulation video games. You can keep playing them while they're legal and people can keep calling you a scumbag for it.
 
Rape being illegal is hardly relevant. Murder is the bread and butter of the videogame industry.

Anyway, there is no 'new wave' of banning games. This is same as ever.
 
Steam is a business, not a governmental organization. They can and should be able to choose what games are available on their service. This is no different than a forum owner deciding who gets to stay on their forum, and who gets banned. It's no different than you hosting a dinner party with friends and deciding who gets to come and who doesn't.

The people who spoke out against that game had the right to voice their concerns. You might not like what they had to say, but they did have the right to say those things.

The developer who took down their game has the right to take it down. They are not obligated to keep it up for purchase.

And you are free to go make your own game. You can speak about this issue here on GAF if the mods allow it.

This is freedom all around and working as intended. If you are uncomfortable with any piece of this chain, it's likely because you're in the minority and you just don't like that feeling.

I would also point out that Steam as a platform is more open, and more of a meritocracy than any other digital game service out there. Complain all you want, but I'm personally amazed and appreciative of the way Valve has handled Steam all these years.
 
simpatico said:
Being concerned about a hypocritical perception is so last decade. We won't let foolish things like that stop us from doing what must be done to reclaim civil society. The fact we were ever so caught up in such foolish mind games is laughable in hindsight. Going forward we will do what is best for material security and healthy reproduction, with no thought for trivialities like "fairness" and "logical consistency".
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I read this thrice and I don't understand what you're saying....are you being sarcastic by chance? Or political?
 
San Dan Glokta said:
I read this thrice and I don't understand what you're saying....are you being sarcastic by chance? Or political?
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Just an opinion on what games should be allowed to be sold in the country I live in. There seems to be a growing appetite for such regulations, so that's encouraging.
 
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Its just the typical hypocritical behaviour.
Murder simulators? Gore? I sleep.
Anything sexual? im gonna harass you on social media and ruin your life

And people are still wondering why Koei Tecmo regionlocks some of their games even though there is NOTHING explicit happening.
 
Kasane89 said:
Its just the typical hypocritical behaviour.
Murder simulators? Gore? I sleep.
Anything sexual? im gonna harass you on social media and ruin your life

And people are still wondering why Koei Tecmo regionlocks some of their games even though there is NOTHING explicit happening.
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if you can`t differentiate between something that happens on the side in a game and something that a game is purposefully designed for front left and center then you should probably not be allowed to use sharp knives for your own safety.
 
Yep, it's a slippery slope.

Whenever someone tells you they will ban games and you ask which games and they say "I'll know it when I see it" you know you are going to be fucked by the arbitrary enforcement.

First Manhunt, now this.

When will people learn that games do not make the players violent anymore than manga or comics make the readers violent. Or tv or books or music....it's just so fucking sad I could cry. These people are stealing our heritage.
 
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calico said:
Just change the game to be about something more palatable like blowing someone's head off with a shotgun tbh.
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We're taking about the effect it could have on behavior. We want our men to be fearless warriors. Not deranged sex pests. Every culture throughout history moderated the content and culture of the public square. Today should be no different. I think we can all agree that the pure libertarian experiment was a colossal failure. You can't say we didn't try.
 
Cyberpunkd said:
A game cannot hurt you, let's make a 3D animation game where you rape small forms made out of pixels that ressemble children. It's animation, these are not real children.
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Bad example because pretty sure even depictions of fictional children in such scenarios are not legal.
 
A meltdown because a Rape simulator is removed from a mainstream platform ?

I am all for freedom of creativity but I don't see what Rape game brings. Let's do some pedo game or children murder game...

I get that some people get some weird kink but there is some limit to it in my opinion.
Good riddance for this game and all of this kind.
 
I'm not going to get too upset about an incest rape simulator getting removed. If you really want games like that then go to F95.
 
I think the difference here is that you are dealing with a company (Steam/Valve) saying they don't want the game for sale in their store. That's quite a bit different than some guy making the game and getting arrested for making it or banned from selling it himself. While I don't agree with the content, I'd disagree with banning it in that situation. Valve just wants nothing to do with it and anyone should be able to understand that.
 
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Both Valve and the developers are private companies. If either of them decides to remove the game from Steam, they're well within their rights to do so.
 
As I understand it, the game was removed by the devs themselves so I'm not sure what there is to discuss or how bans or censorship fits into said discussion.
 
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Skifi28 said:
As I understand it, the game was removed by the devs themselves so I'm not sure what there is to discuss or how bans or censorship fits into said discussion.
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Probably to attempt to quell further discussion that could lead to an actual banning of the game. They probably also want to keep their options open with Valve for future releases on Steam so removing it themselves seems like the diplomatic thing to do.

Also consider that because of the publicity they have likely sold more copies of the game than they ever dreamed of selling. Without people talking about it, the game likely would have just been more unknown slop on Steam.
 
It's a terrible precedent that leads to thought policing. Powers that be have done that to history books, novels, films and now video games. Next up are your memories.
 
Schmendrick said:
People getting riled up over the removal of a fucking rape simulator have more than just one screw loose.
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I have no interest in No Mercy but I think calling it a rape simulator to belittle its existence or anybody who didn't want it banned as mentally ill is hypocritical. It would be like calling every other game "murder simulators". Let people enjoy what they want if they're not harming anyone.
 
Hollywood Hitman said:
Exactly. It's like freedom of speech doesn't let someone do whatever, I can't walk into a restaurant and start insulting fatties and claim free speech. There's a common sense line that has to be, a rape simulator is simply that type of line
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Agreed, I have seen some really disgusting takes on gamefaqs in the past where some posters would even defend pure pedo shits in games by saying it's not real people. But that doesn't change the fact that it's completely evil and sick to even defend something like that especially when graphics are so close to real life people. That's why there has to be a limit somewhere.

Imagine if there was truly no limit no pushback to anything foul and disgusting then people would eventually come up with more and more wicked and worse things once the pervious ones gets normalized. If there was no pushback to incest and it was normalized than next they'll try tasting the waters and doing worse shits like pedo and animal stuff etc. That's how events like Sodom, Gomorrah, the Great Flood etc happened cause their was no limit to their freedom so all the most wicked shits were completely normalized things like animal sex, child sex, people switching genders, incest, mixing D.N.A etc etc at that point it was too late for any pushback because not only is it fully enforced by the people in power but also normalized and agreed upon by 99.9% of the population so it was impossible for anyone to change/reset things besides God himself doing the resets.
 
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Three said:
I have no interest in No Mercy but I think calling it a rape simulator to belittle its existence or anybody who didn't want it banned as mentally ill is hypocritical. It would be like calling every other game "murder simulators". Let people enjoy what they want if they're not harming anyone.
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This is from the game's official description on Steam per the developer.

The content includes incest, blackmail, unavoidable non-consensual sex, as well as the use of drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.
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I don't know about you, but 'unavoidable non consensual sex' sure does sound like it's a game that simulates / puts player in the position to, create 'rapey' scenarios.

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Three said:
Let people enjoy what they want if they're not harming anyone.
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Next is the Hardcore Orgy with little Kids "dating" sim and the Dr. Mengele surgery adventure. "as long we we`re not harming anyone" it`s all ok, right?
Horribly stupid take.
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adamsapple said:
This is from the game's official description on Steam per the developer.



I don't know about you, but 'unavoidable non consensual sex' sure does sound like it's a game that simulates / puts player in the position to, create 'rapey' scenarios.
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Way to miss the woods for the trees. Nobody said it doesn't have rape but again take the example of kane and lynch.

"From the creators of Hitman comes Kane & Lynch ... Lynch, a medicated psychopath, Kane a flawed mercenary. Grittier and nastier in tone than anything you've seen before, the violence here is visceral, brutal and very, very real"

Is Kane and Lynch a "murder simulator" and not a game? It doesn't mean somebody who plays that goes and shoots innocent people up with a shotgun in real life.

Schmendrick said:
Next is the Hardcore Orgy with little Kids "dating" sim and the Dr. Mengele surgery adventure. "as long we we`re not harming anyone" it`s all ok, right?
Horribly stupid take.
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Um nobody mentioned little kids but since we're going there lets ban violent games too then. You with me?
 
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