Tiago Rodrigues
Member
A game about beating up women shouldn't even have a platform. It's insane we even have to talk about this.
Is this new wave of banning video games really the new road?
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Blank Space Invader
Gold Member
EDIT: The quote I used was worded in a way that is confusing, so please disregard it.
All the little liberal shut-in keyboard warriors need to quiet down about things they have no actual understanding of. Through my career I have had to interact with victims of sexual assault, and other horrible crimes and victimizations. None of it is suitable for entertainment purposes like video games. Sit there and stare into the eyes of a victim and survivor and then go home and see if clicking buttons simulating that type of trauma is entertaining. Only sick minds would want to make such things in or into video games, only sick minds would want to play them, and only sick minds would scoff at the idea of banning said "games."
Then again, gamers never disappoint with missing the mark on anything they cry about. I don't know how many gamers are crying about Switch 2 game prices but they're wearing $200 sneakers made in another country by little kids who are abused and work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to make $1.00 a month making your precious collector's edition toejam covers. But hey! The price of Mario Kart World is an injustice and an apocalyptic omen of doom for video games and we must take a stand against it!
The one benefit to this discussion is that it points out candidates for the Ignore button, because I have no interest in reading what people think about anything at all if they think sexual assault is an appropriate subject and context for video games.
All the little liberal shut-in keyboard warriors need to quiet down about things they have no actual understanding of. Through my career I have had to interact with victims of sexual assault, and other horrible crimes and victimizations. None of it is suitable for entertainment purposes like video games. Sit there and stare into the eyes of a victim and survivor and then go home and see if clicking buttons simulating that type of trauma is entertaining. Only sick minds would want to make such things in or into video games, only sick minds would want to play them, and only sick minds would scoff at the idea of banning said "games."
Then again, gamers never disappoint with missing the mark on anything they cry about. I don't know how many gamers are crying about Switch 2 game prices but they're wearing $200 sneakers made in another country by little kids who are abused and work 12 hours a day, 7 days a week to make $1.00 a month making your precious collector's edition toejam covers. But hey! The price of Mario Kart World is an injustice and an apocalyptic omen of doom for video games and we must take a stand against it!
The one benefit to this discussion is that it points out candidates for the Ignore button, because I have no interest in reading what people think about anything at all if they think sexual assault is an appropriate subject and context for video games.
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Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Dude I fucking am no liberal BTW lol I'm trump, America, freeness of everything, guns, fucking men cant be women, illegal criminals etc all need gone I could go on and on... But something in me doesn't dig a rape simulator, sorry
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deriks
4-Time GIF/Meme God
Murder is a crime, rape is a crime, pedo is a crime. All of those topics have movies and series, so why can't videogames have?
If the developer threats as a positive, endorsing this kind of shit, I can see having not just censorship but as a criminal investigation. That's one situation. Just by having, and like I said, as topics that even movies have forever [and usually showing those as criminals], it's ok and it should be decided by the consumer
Blank Space Invader
Gold Member
Neither do I, so perhaps you must have misread what I said or I am misreading what you're saying, I don't know.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Maybe, hah I'll reread shortly at work so just grabbing my phone and reading may have read to quickly so if I did I apologize, I'll come back tho once I can
phant0m
Member
As long as they are not government bans. IMO platform holders are free to choose what content is available on their platforms.
Valve is very, very liberal (in a dictionary sense, not political one) in what they allow btw - no mercy just happened to get picked on by whatever activist group.
Valve is very, very liberal (in a dictionary sense, not political one) in what they allow btw - no mercy just happened to get picked on by whatever activist group.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
March Climber
Member
There has to be a line drawn. Where is your line OP? Do you even have a line?
I can watch movies depicting violence in the cinema but can't watch a movie showing a dick penetrating a vagina.
This game has you commit rapes as your "right" to own these women, even your own mother. How many movies/TV shows have you seen where rape is glorified?
Setsuna Mudou
Member
I don't play them nor any other "sex" game, but as long as it's a video game, play whatever you want, I don't give a fuck.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Well I just disagree, you're entitled to your opinion but I just disagree.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
I think having sex with animals is reprehensible, therefore Baldur's Gate 3 is now banned for everyone. There, I drew the line now have some copium.
Setsuna Mudou
Member
fair enough, we can agree to disagree then, but that's my take
I agree, I just find it amusing and quite arbitrary what we do and do not deem to be acceptable. A good deal of the violence portrayed in games -including the most popular games- is not of a type which society deems remotely acceptable or which has anything to do with creating 'fearless warriors'.
If we accept the argument that games can influence irl behaviour even in adults (an argument which was very common 20-30 years ago as games were becoming more realistic visually and more mainstream, and one which gamers rejected and society in general eventually rejected), then it's hard to see how half of the stuff you can do in GTA would be considered acceptable either.
simpatico
Member
GTA aside, what popular games are you taking about? Call of Duty? Balder's Gate 3? Elden Ring?
Setsuna Mudou
Member
I think these arbitrary lines are more related to the American puritanism around sex and general acceptance of violence as "normal". You need to take a step back from this kind of cultural bias elements to logically think. If you're not more likely to go shoot up a bunch of people because you play COD or GTA, you're also not any more likely to go rape someone because you play some game with such elements.
Use logic, not emotions people.
Use logic, not emotions people.
Fbh
Member
This.
I think people should be allowed to make and sell games about literally anything they want. But it doesn't mean storefronts and platform holders have to agree to sell them.
You can sell the game directly on your website.
Also as far as I know the game in question in this thread wasn't even banned by Valve, the devs took it down.
Spukc
always chasing the next thrill
No the game is fucking insane the people defending this are insane the people wanting to ban it are also insane.
Nobody fucking wins
I was talking about GTA when I said most popular, but there's no shortage of other games in which you can go on a knife/gun/vehicle based killing spree against innocent people (Cyberpunk, Red Dead, Watch Dogs, some Assassin's Creed, Kingdom Come etc.)
Midway-AGNC-
Member
Are you seriously trying to compare No Mercy to Gears of War? I mean, really?
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I'm pretty sure it's been published in most nations. I'm sure it's in your country as well.
It's interesting to see that people don't have a moral line. Do you personally have a moral line, or do you think anything is fair game as long as it's legal to portray in media?
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
I think the only way I could explain the difference of killing vs rape is this and that is despite killing in itself being wrong.... Like bad guys, in life there are people that do indeed need to be taken down.. Bad guys are that bad guys, not that you walk up to someone and be like hey you're a bad dude goodbye but in general there are aspects of life where it's needed and when games set a premise, gotta kill the bad guys, it lands better.
Theres no context of life where raping anyone is for the virtue of goodness, or molesting children... These wrongs just have no place where it's even remotely acceptable.
I just don't think anyone normal would design a game around some of those subjects, but then again people buy farts in a jar so what do I know
Theres no context of life where raping anyone is for the virtue of goodness, or molesting children... These wrongs just have no place where it's even remotely acceptable.
I just don't think anyone normal would design a game around some of those subjects, but then again people buy farts in a jar so what do I know
nemiroff
Gold Member
Ban wave..?
If you're talking about the bear thing, he is a human/elf that can shapeshift into bear form. It's not the same.
But it's an interesting discussion. Murder f.ex. isn't necessarily technically that much better..
And, are we not allowed to re-tell real stories from horrible human beings, like the Nazis? Idk, just asking a rhetorical question..
I'd personally prefer rape simulator games to fuck off away from this planet. But that's my raw feelings talking.
If you're talking about the bear thing, he is a human/elf that can shapeshift into bear form. It's not the same.
But it's an interesting discussion. Murder f.ex. isn't necessarily technically that much better..
And, are we not allowed to re-tell real stories from horrible human beings, like the Nazis? Idk, just asking a rhetorical question..
I'd personally prefer rape simulator games to fuck off away from this planet. But that's my raw feelings talking.
Gameplay Gods Bless
Member
The game is still on Steam it was just removed in the UK. Steam US (original Steam) still has it.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
Sex and sexual fantasies are taboo and evil.
Glorified violence is great, so murder away! There would be barely any entertainment without violence, but we would still have endless amounts if we got rid of all the sex! Do you really want to live in a world where a man can't go on an insane murder spree because someone killed his dog? Not me.
Anyway I don't believe the game was banned, the developer removed it themselves.
Glorified violence is great, so murder away! There would be barely any entertainment without violence, but we would still have endless amounts if we got rid of all the sex! Do you really want to live in a world where a man can't go on an insane murder spree because someone killed his dog? Not me.
Anyway I don't believe the game was banned, the developer removed it themselves.
Loomy
Thinks Microaggressions are Real
It as initially blocked in UK, AUS, and CAN. Pretty sure it's just gone from Steam now. Also, Steam had a bunch of different regions at launch. US is not 'original Steam'.
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Shadowstar39
Member
Jeesh that sucks. I have a few of the early novels , published in the 1960s that i Inherited from my pops, but not the complete collection. He was a fanatic with 007 and some of my greatest memories was watching classic Bond with him as a kid. Well guess I will keep my eyes open for those. The worst thing is them re-writing classics. Products of the time should not be edited to cater to pesky feminists/karens and woke skolds. If a company doesn't want to sell the classics that is their right, but editing classic fiction is Orwellian.
James Bond books rewritten to remove ‘offensive’ references
It comes days after a row over the editing of Roald Dahl’s bookswww.independent.co.uk
Matsuchezz
Member
Lets have pedo games, and also rape kids in the name or artistic freedom, fuck yeah!!
Shadowstar39
Member
Its a fine line and on your point I can agree, but where is the line , who draws it.
Its crazy to me as there are people like feminists who are a ok with only fans and sex shit and will defend having pictures of sex acts in books for kids, then call parents wanting them removed from school libraries bigots and nazis, and anti free speech. The same people will then demand things like bond get censored or anything written from before 2015 really, especially if a man wrote it and found women attractive, male gaze, yada yada yada. They will demand women look like men or have no rack, that men can't find artwork ladies beautiful and sexy. The same ones will be a ok with porn but will rail about a video game vixen being too curvy or wearing sexy armor ala lara croft, bloodrayne, etc... Personally I would be fine with no porn games, but don't you dare take away attractive bad ass women characters. I love the conan half naked, people with swords and sorcery. 1970s -80s fantasy and sci-fi art for d&d and heavy metal magazine. These people want to censor that, and have. They never stop.... but again are a ok with only fan hos.
On the opposite side you have the hardcore evangelicals who want to ban everything too for religious reasons. I remember the Satanic panic well. My friends mom called my mom and accused me of opening a portal to hell with my D&D books into her home and corrupting her son. My mom told her off, and called her nuts. We were Christian too, just not the nutter kind.
There is a point where these groups agree and eventually they will agree on violence in video games. They would all love for it to just be walking simulators, mario, sports and puzzle games.
So I can agree that there needs to be a line, but it needs to be clearly defined and allow the broadest form of expression possible while not decaying society. How is that done?
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
I take it you forgot the huff and puff that happened with Hatred huh?
Atleast those devs had the balls to stick to their guns and keep the game for sale.
We do however already distinguish between consensual sexual content and non-consensual sexual content (eg. rape). Could we not distinguish between 'acceptable violence' (killing baddies) and 'unacceptable violence' (killing innocent civilians) in much the same way?
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Think of me what you will, I've got a little space to fill.
GrandlyBodacious
Banned
Y'all gonna be this repulsed by games where you heartlessly murder and torture others, too? When you guys gonna call for a ban on GTA?
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
How about a game where you play as a Nazi and round up/kill Jews? Maybe a game where you strip Jewish and Slav women naked, line them up in trenches and unleash a hail of bullets? No moral story to the game. You're only goal is to help out with some genocide.
If such a game existed then there would be calls from everyone to have it removed as it would be glorifying genocide, and rightly so as well.
Same with this game. Although we see rape in media, it's always portrayed as a repugnant act. We never side with a character who loves to rape and assault women.
nemiroff
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Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
I hear you and I gotta be honest some of it isn't easy to break down and explain but like within my 46 year life killing in games is just that killing in games, but like a game where you're goal is to rape women or molest childen... Doesn't bode well, that's all I can say. Like maybe it's just because there's no inherent desire in me to do anything like that so like why would I want to play a game based on that? I wouldn't kill anyone but like sure seeing bad people do bad things.. I'd absolutely love to be the one they run into if I gotta step up and protect someone because I'd happily take them out if need be so I dunno.
I also think some of the debate is also just digging way to deep in general, including myself.
The line tho I think is there and it'll vary person to person.
Lionel Richie
Member
Very much agree here friend. There's a good discussion to be had over censorship and creative freedom in the modern era, but a game like this isn't that starting point lol.
Crayon
Member
True, you always have to consider the context. In this case, it looks like a guy didn't consider the ramifications if anyone outside of the intended audience caught wind of their game.
It may have been in the ao section on steam, but there is no subsection for incestuous serial rape games in ao. The proper section probably wouldn't have been on steam at all, but 4chan.
I'd say the maker was intending to serve a niche, but made a really bad calculation by trying to get it in front of as many eyes as possible. Who knows how much they thought about playing with fire, though. Can't be in their head.
The best reason for them to take it down would be to be known as the no mercy guy by as few people as possible for as little time as possible! I can imagine the horror of this getting back around to your irl circle. I
So I don't think this is necessarily a bad guy, but he ended up with a potentially brutal case of fuck around and find out.
I don't know if it has or hasn't here. Maybe because a book isn't actually depicting child porn, i just know you can't depict sexual conent with children in games and film.
I do but what I consider moral or not does not make me want to ban things I don't agree with. You can even search my history for the cop killing in GTA (in an Elon thread) and me not buying manhunt because I found it violent if you somehow think my moral compass is in question. this is just me not dictating what others are allowed to see or do. The law does that.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I made this post about WW2. I think we can both agree this sort of game would not be acceptable and would be rightly banned.
You brought up GTA. My counter to this is first, GTA is satire. It's not serious at all. Second, GTA has a limit. Ever wonder why you can't rape people in GTA, or why we never see children walking about?
PeteBull
Member
If u were some 70yo+ old fart who never touched a joypad or were some dumb bimbo who's hobby is changing her hairstyle i wouldnt even be surprised in that take, but ffs, we are on a hardcore gaming forum, after all.
Back in early 90s Mortal Kombat commercials were targeted specially towards kids/teens and we all played it btw:
Hell i remember playing it on arcade mashine in a place full of thugs, 5min away from my school, when i was fuckin 12yo so not even a teenager, and all my school buddies did too.
Yes, on one hand u risked getting jumped/beat up/stolen ur pocket money which happened every so often of course, but on the other u could play this heavenly game, choice was obvious
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I think you are making a lot of assumptions?
I had a relationship with a girl that had rape fantasies. That does not (!!) mean she really wanted this situation to ever happen to her in RL. It was just a sexual fantasy she masturbated to or something she liked to roleplay. I think there may be tons of reasons why somone might enjoy this type of stuff. Getting dominated or feeling helpless may be part of it. Something being forbidden might also turn people on.
Noone is getting hurt if this is done in a video game, so I don't really understand the outrage. You can bring up the same arguments if I am having fun running over civilians in GTA and think its cruel to all the victims who have been run over, but RL is RL and this is fictional. I am not going to run over civilians in RL. I also dont think running over civilians in RL is entertaining and I highly doubt men are just going to have a desire to rape women in RL after playing this game.
Sure why not if somebody wants to make that make it, except that might be banned through the law too in some countries.
GTA5 is not satire in its story. We don't see violence against children or rape simply because they want to avoid the AO rating because it sells more with M or PG13. The limit should be the law and the law alone. Not somebody else dictating what's possible arbitrarily.
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IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
Isn't that what the law is?
If it became law not to show any rape or violence in media, I assume you would therefore be okay with this?