I already answered that one:
And we arbitrarily draw the line with little kids? But Rape is ok? If both are videogames "no one is harmed", as you put it, so everything should be ok, right?
Yes and the verbiage of developers promote realistic violence too with many examples like manhunt and Kane and Lynch included. The point wasn't that it doesn't include those questionable things it was to show that even games that some may have no problem with that allow you to murder people don't get reduced to such things as murder simulators. Let people play what they want. It was to try and show that even if some may have no interest in it, myself included, it shouldn't really be banned. Games have murder in them and they're not.
No because one is in fact illegal believe it or not but rape much like murder in a videogame is not. There are things you are legally allowed to depict in film and videogames and those are allowed. Any other argument is your own morals yet it doesn't seem to apply to murder it seems.
Please show me where I said a single good word about that filth.
I personally have no problem with this game or any of those porn game existing on Steam since they are backed into their own little very low populated corner and doesn't try to force their views on others like certain insane groups out there but at the same time I also have no problem if this as well as all other porn game over there gets removed. Because all of them are probably shitty games with no gameplay cause one those games are already very low budget and two they put all those low budget in their porn scenes. Even that new Dead or Alive Bleach game which isn't a porn game doesn't appeal to me because there's no actual gameplay and I need games to have some gameplay with some story/lore and interesting enemies designs or to fight against. So all those porn games can get wiped out for all I care.
So you do want it banned too? Ok then.
So you think games just get a free pass to do anything and everything because "no one is harmed" irl? Ok then.
Nobody said people like Jack Thompson didn't exist. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that nobody has ever called games murder simulators before from. Nobody is making that argument. I'm making the argument that people who call for these games like GTA, Manhunt etc to be banned are no different to somebody who is now calling for these bans for "rape simulators" but you seem to miss the point all too often.
So I guess the question now is: WHO gets to decide morality in fictional content?
Yes I think censorship should not really be a thing unless it is law (like your kiddies example you keep trying to push). This isn't law, it should be allowed even if you or I have no interest in it. It's a simple concept.
You don't see a difference between rape simulators and GTA?
In the grand scheme no, because you're promoting violence and crime there too. If people enjoy that in a fantasy setting let them. Doesn't mean they're going to actually do those things.
The law isn`t perfect. Just because certain depravities aren`t strictly forbidden doesn`t mean they should be tolerated or should not trigger a push to get the law adjusted.
Rape is against the law. And so is Murder but as a society we have a different view on that compared to things that involve sex, if you can't see why then perhaps you need to research it a bit more as to why rape and paedophillia is socially looked down on more compared to murder.
I'm not "defending" rape, but if we follow this logic, how is murder any better than rape? Murder is portrayed in almost every games out there, and people are fine with that, while it's something as bad / worse than rape.
As a side note...you`d be very surprised how many women have those exact fantasies and how far those go. I had one girlfriend that asked me to have sex with her while holding a knife to her throat......the psychological abysses in some very normal looking people are astounding at times. And that wasn`t the only one with fantasies in that direction.
Yes Jack Thompson tried the same thing. Luckily there are sane people out there that know these things don't mean people will commit actual acts of violence.
Depictions of rape and murder in media isn't against the law, child porn is so I was just pointing out where the line is drawn. Any other line is Schmendrick's own line or that of other individuals.
Like i said I think the concept inherently of killing the "bad guys" just sits different, as I said above there's definitely hypocrisy in there I get that but with what you're saying then a game based on hunting kids and molesting them in the name of a "fantasy", know what I mean?
No, it's because of censorship and double standards.
Depiction of rape in media and art is legal. Depiction of minors in any sexual way is illegal.
Keep it for yourself. You don't get to decide what other adults jack off too when they act within the law.
One promotes sexual violence against the innocent and the other is infighting among thieves. And even then, there is a clear moral distinction between the GTA protagonists and the "bad guys" they're fighting.
See, this is the problem: assuming things about people based on their defending free thought in fiction. Anyways, I'm not going to waste any more time discussing this subject, because some people will never change their beliefs, and always try to impose their views on others.
Oh I get it and I agree but I still think it stands both ways if a girl is fantasizing about that she's fucked up lol
You fucking shoot cops at the beginning of the game. Don't give me this bullshit.
Im simply tryin to find the line. Because the point I'm making is where is the line then in the sake of fantasy? As I said why can't someone then make a game that plays out their fanrasy of molesting children? I'm not tryin to accuse anyone just saying where is the line
Because that's how society is, when it involves sex it becomes a different thing, like we can go to the cinema and watch action movies like Rambo cutting off arms, shooting the fuck out of people, but cinemas won't show porn.
Maybe the people you rape in this game are bad guys? Just kidding
Last thing I'll say on the matter: the line, as you put it, is up to each individual.
HahaMaybe the people you rape in this game are bad guys? Just kidding
I get what you mean, but then in games like GTA and others you can kill "good" random persons too, not just bad guys, so there's still this comparable issue.
I understand what you mean, but it's hard to draw the line.
yea like I said theres like this weird line and hypocrisy involved. It's overall a subject that I just think could be debated forever as I don't think there's a true answer.
I think those are so many different convos man, like I couldn't care less about revealing sexy attire for female chars but I also dont want to be playing no ugly dudes or bitches
Raping someone is an act of selfishness at its core. You are overstepping someone's boundaries because you want to exert power over them, and you do so sexually without regard for any physical or mental repercussions.Maybe the people you rape in this game are bad guys? Just kidding
I get what you mean, but then in games like GTA and others you can kill "good" random persons too, not just bad guys, so there's still this comparable issue.
I understand what you mean, but it's hard to draw the line.
You haven't seen the countless posts and videos ragefarming about X character being censored to appease whatever moral outrage crowd? Any of those people now defending banning video games when there are themes they personally don't like, is pure hypocrisy.I think those are so many different convos man, like I couldn't care less about revealing sexy attire for female chars but I also dont want to be playing no ugly dudes or bitches
I haven't no but where I'm from sexual depictions of children in media are illegal, yes.
I hear that but to me there's just a huge gap.. Again I'm waitin for someone to answer me that with this logic you're good with pedophilic games?
If it was rated it means it is legal for that age rating. Nobody is talking about the ratings being the same. Only that it's promoting a different type of violence and crime nonetheless.
Both are just videogames, kiddo.
