Is unethical to score an Ace in Tennis like this?

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seems like if you can respond to a professional tennis serve you should be able to respond to someone softballing it across the net that way.
 
Chopper said:
Pfft. That's amateur hour.

I thought the thread would be about this:

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I wish tennis matches were full of all this underhanded stuff, imagine how hilarious matches could be.
 
It's basically like a "trick play" in american football. 100% legal but it only works when you do it sparingly. I see no problem with it.
 
sibarraz said:
https://twitter.com/result_de_tenis/status/908033330741948423

I remember seeing this kind of tactics in the Prince of Tennis anime. And I always wondered if this was legal, and if was, why it wasnt used more often in top level games. Mind you, lots of answers for the tweet are outraged by the ace, saying that it was dirty and that destroyed the game

Bu the way, the guy who did this still lost the game
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I used to pop the occasional serve in like that when I played league tennis if the opponent had already pissed me off with blatantly bad calls or by just being a prick (which happens a lot in the tennis crowd, it seems).

I'd never initiate it without provocation but it's a fantastic feeling serving an ace like that to an asshole, especially if they loudly complain about it. Just bang a few proper hard serves down to make them back right off then plop one of these over and watch them run like fuck.
 
Daffy Duck said:
I wish tennis matches were full of all this underhanded stuff, imagine how hilarious matches could be.
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Someone will have to find the link, but there was this newly retired tennis player who started holding "old guys" tournaments and basically doing stuff like this the entire match. The creativity on display was nothing short of amazing.
 
I did this when I played varsity tennis. So did my opponents.

It's not any more unethical than, I don't know, a fake field goal or intentionally missing a free throw.
 
I'm pretty sure that's closer to how you were originally supposed to serve, when tennis was invented. The idea being to start an exchange and not murder your opponent with a laser bullet. ;)
 
What are the rules regarding the serve in Tennis? I am specifically referring to tossing the ball up in the air, is there a minimum height the ball must reach before being a valid serve?
In Table Tennis the ball must be visible at all times during the serve, it can't be hidden by any part of the body such as an arm at any time during the serve and most importantly the ball must be tossed up into the air and reach a certain height to be a valid serve, so no trick shots, dirty tactics hiding the spin or trying to pull a fast one on your opponent.
I would have thought Tennis would have some strict regulations when it comes to serves as well.
 
I played tennis back in High School. I admit that I've done this a few times in matches. It really only works once... maybe twice if playing more than a set.

Keep in mind that it requires you to have a fast serve to increase the impact of a slow underhand dink. Also if the opponent is ready, the serve is easy to hit winners off of. And it's easy to mess up and hit the ball too far deep which is always hilarious

Don't think it is unsportsmanlike at all. I've had it done to me a few times.. If you are focused in the match (which you should be), you'll be ready for it.

The Omega Man said:
What are the rules regarding the serve in Tennis? I am specifically referring to tossing the ball up in the air, is there a minimum height the ball must reach before being a valid serve?
In Table Tennis the ball must be visible at all times during the serve, it can't be hidden by any part of the body such as an arm at any time during the serve and most importantly the ball must be tossed up into the air and reach a certain height to be a valid serve, so no trick shots, dirty tactics hiding the spin or trying to pull a fast one on your opponent.
I would have thought Tennis would have some strict regulations when it comes to serves as well.
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Besides the basic rules of standing behind the line and not bouncing the ball before contact, it doesn't matter how you hit the serve. As long as it reaches the other side, opposite square in one bounce.
 
It's smart if you have a Nadal standing four miles back from the baseline on return. Do it a couple times and he gas to come in a bit, otherwise he gets burned all match long.

But nope, guys will just continue to try and blast serves past a guy returning serve from the stands. Serves that even if they reach 150 at their peak are going less than half that speed by the time Nadal gets his racquet on them.
 
I don't play tennis, but why isn't that a fault? According to wiki;

If the ball fails to clear the net, or bounces anywhere other than the cross-court service box, it is a fault.
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that doesn't look like it reaches the other persons 'box' line, or are the rules ok with that?
 
Malreyn said:
I don't play tennis, but why isn't that a fault? According to wiki;



that doesn't look like it reaches the other persons 'box' line, or are the rules ok with that?
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I clears the net and falls into the service box of the opponent. The box starts at the net and reaches to the service line.
 
Why on earth would it be unethical? It's fully within the rules, and both players have recourse to it. It doesn't distort the incentives in the game, since it's hard to do well with a proper risk/reward - hit it into the net and you've wasted a first serve and your opponent is clued up to it, hit it too deep and they have an incredibly easy putaway shot. I don't even get why this would be a point of contention.
 
Bakana!

Steve Youngblood said:
I'll note in advance that I'm absolutely not any good at tennis so I can't really pretend to understand what is in the spirit of the game. But with that preface out of the way, it's hard for me to understand why this would be perceived as dirty and unethical. If you're even remotely expecting it it seems like something trivial to punish. And if you're not ready for it, I feel like the server is already at a pretty big advantage to begin with. When pros are hitting the ball as hard as they do to begin with, it's not like aces or shots where the opponent barely gets a racket on the ball (there's probably a term for this I'm not aware of) or all that rare. All things equal, the server is expected to win way more frequently than not to begin with. So it's not like there's a delicate balance that you're upsetting here in terms of giving the server a big advantage. They already have an advantage. And this isn't a surefire gambit to begin with.
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You have trouble seeing why it would be unethical because it's not. Aside from respecting the rules of the game:

- It does not exploit the rules or the nature of the game to gain an unfair advantage (like diving in football for example).
- It does not use any external factors (distractions) or tools to gain an unfair advantage.

That gentleman's game stuff is horseshit. Top level players use fancy returns all the time (without looking, between the legs etc.). Hell, the entire game would be considered tricky by old standards.
 
snacknuts said:
I don't really know anything about tennis, so I will have to take your word on this. But this post got me like 'wat'.

I don't see the difference between this and something like trying a surprise onside kick in football. Kind of surprised by all the negativity in this thread.
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I get the football POV, however it's understood that anything goes when it comes to scoring goals. Hence all the BS you see in football. Diving, faking offsides, claiming ball in or out by others. Cheap tricks in football goes with the game. So back to tennis being a sport where respect is respected. This chump played a typical football "cheap trick" shot. Not cool.
 
Any Questions said:
I get the football POV, however it's understood that anything goes when it comes to scoring goals. Hence all the BS you see in football. Diving, faking offsides, claiming ball in or out by others. Cheap tricks in football goes with the game. So back to tennis being a sport where respect is respected. This chump played a typical football "cheap trick" shot. Not cool.
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There's nothing "cheap" or "trick" about what he did. Drop shots are regularly used during rallies when you've pushed your opponent behind the baseline. This is just the same strategy used during serve.

It's risky too, because control of the net is a huge advantage. If you're prepared and can get to the serve, you are likely to win the point.
 
Nafai1123 said:
There's nothing "cheap" or "trick" about what he did. Drop shots are regularly used during rallies when you've pushed your opponent behind the baseline. This is just the same strategy used during serve.

It's risky too, because control of the net is a huge advantage. If you're prepared and can get to the serve, you are likely to win the point.
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Yep.. exactly. Don't think that this is some huge advantage that can't be stopped. If the receiver is ready for it, it puts the server in a disadvantage.
 
I remember watching a women's match about 15 yrs ago (can't remember if it was a major) in which this was done. The crowd booed, hissed, and whistled loudly at the offending player. So while legal it is certainly considered unsportsman-like.
 
I'm seeing nothing unethical here. I'm not sure why it's any less sportsmanlike than smashing the ball as hard as humanly possible with the intent of making it virtually impossible to return.
 
Any Questions said:
I get the football POV, however it's understood that anything goes when it comes to scoring goals. Hence all the BS you see in football. Diving, faking offsides, claiming ball in or out by others. Cheap tricks in football goes with the game. So back to tennis being a sport where respect is respected. This chump played a typical football "cheap trick" shot. Not cool.
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I can't tell if this post is satire or not. Are drops and lobs also unethical because you're not hitting it directly to your opponent?
 
Atobe would never do a move like this. It's simply not beautiful. This is the kind of shit Tezuka would pull :(
 
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