Dubbedinenglish
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Think about it. You expect a community of thousands to run kms a day from place to place every 24 hrs. How will these people eat, sleep, receive treatment for ailments or injuries? The whole idea is absurd.
Israel attacks another UN school (19 dead, 126 injured)
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Think about it. You expect a community of thousands to run kms a day from place to place every 24 hrs. How will these people eat, sleep, receive treatment for ailments or injuries? The whole idea is absurd.
Holy shit dude, no. They outline the non-safe locations, where targets will be destroyed because they have proof of Hamas weapon caches.
If you were a Palestinian you would be dead because you didn't read.
edit: Misread what you said, sorry.
The roads are still open within the 25 km strip, they can go further away from the 2km zone.
TheRealTalker
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If I was a Palestinian I would fear for myself and my family
and I am saying that those safe areas STILL get bombed
OverBlood 3
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So once they move them elsewhere they're safe? Like I dunno a UN school which the UN told israel multiple times about and how many refugees were there? It doesn't matter where Israel cart these people around, they're going to bomb them anyway.
EatinOlives
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I think you've already realized by now that this glorified shell game of theirs is intended to confuse as many people as possible as they're herded back and forth such that they catch confused people in zones that were safe one day and targets the next.
"They were warned" is not a valid excuse when you warn them daily that the previous day's "safe zone" is the next day's target. This is completely intentional.
TheRealTalker
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Include the fact that you'd have to have food and provision for your family
and today in your "SAFE" park you don't see some flyers falling from the sky
I guess I got to guess if this place is safe or maybe I should run to another place and gamble my life
and today in your "SAFE" park you don't see some flyers falling from the sky
I guess I got to guess if this place is safe or maybe I should run to another place and gamble my life
The supposedly safe locations are also being hit. Again, where are they supposed to go? Every "safe" place (hospitals, UN shelters, churches, Central Gaza) has been attacked and people living there know they can be attacked.
At this point I'm not surprised some people don't leave their homes. It's not martyrdom, it's hopelessness.
This isn't something to joke about.
The flyer strategy isn't meant to work, it's a weak attempt to shift blame when civilians get killed.
It's the second time they do it, give it a chance.
edit: no there were also flyers on the 16th, I am looking to see if there is a ressource to see them all.
OverBlood 3
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Why do you care so much about Israel's leafleting and not as much as their absolute abhorrent behaviour. Like the poster above said, it's a poor attempt at shifting blame.
'Well we warned them we were gonna bomb their homes, so that makes it alright'
What about when you don't warn them? Or what about when you're fully aware of a UN school full of refugees?
'Erm, human shields blah blah blah'
Yeah, give em a chance! After all what's another school full of kids.
EatinOlives
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"Gimme another chance dude" doesn't really fly when you're talking about bombing school and killing 19 inside. wtf.
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shit has gone waaaaaaaaay to far, and this Israeli government can go fuck itself. Barbarians.
shit has gone waaaaaaaaay to far, and this Israeli government can go fuck itself. Barbarians.
Why imply I would defend an attack without warning, because I think a warning system can be legit way to save lives?
I am participating in the dicussion, that veered away from the OP when posters ridiculed the leaflets strategy.
TheRealTalker
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Palestinians are so glad that Israel gave them a flyer on Monday so that they can live for awhile and die instead on Wednesday
so considerate... life is overrated anyway
Edit: Flyers would only work if they had a place to go but living in a place (Gaza) that is less then half the size of LA gives them limited options... for awhile before they have no options (but who cares about that)
so considerate... life is overrated anyway
Edit: Flyers would only work if they had a place to go but living in a place (Gaza) that is less then half the size of LA gives them limited options... for awhile before they have no options (but who cares about that)
EatinOlives
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Because you should realize by now that Israel has and never will be interested in having a proper warning system. Those leaflets aren't ever intended to be an actual warning system to save lives. Those leaflets are there to confuse and scramble civilians out of every hole so they can corral them into "safe" zones and jerk them around so hard that they're easy targets to kill them shortly thereafter.
Right. I'm just saying Israel is beyond the point of giving them the benefit of the doubt given the atrocities they've been committing the past few weeks.
Gemüsepizza
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Well, previous leaflets were specific to which areas they were targeting...
Wait a moment... why are these flyers in English??
the IRA used to phone the police and warn them before they bombed clubs and pubs and murdered innocent people on the streets. Was that okay?
warning people is their way of shifting blame when it goes wrong. Those leaflets are meant for us. They're nothing more than a PR strategy.
jakonovski
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A legit way to save lives is to not start a campaign of terror bombings in a crowded bantustan.
OverBlood 3
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It's not working! It's like whispering 'hey watch out' in the middle of an all out war. No one is going to hear it. Nor does it matter when they get the message! They're fucked wherever they go, no matter what they do.
TheRealTalker
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for us to understand... the originals are in ArabicGemüsepizza;123367037 said:
I don't agree with the methods of getting rid of enemy weapon caches, so what do you think?
Dismissing them as simply a PR strategy is being willfully blind, becuase it interferes with your narrative of a cold heartless Israel. As I said, even if 1 person is saved, warning the people is worth it.
They can have good intentions, even if they are heavy handed and incompetent.
Gemüsepizza
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Sorry guys, just a failed attempt at humor, but thanks anyway!^^
jakonovski
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You don't get to erase a thousand deaths by dropping some leaflets. They are not saving any lives, they are doing nothing but taking lives.
Can you quote where I implied something like that? Or remotely close to that?
The leaflets are useful to warn against a specific offensive. They are rarely used.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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You're right Israel should blow the building up without any warning. You happy now?
OverBlood 3
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Like they're doing anyway?
There is no way with some of you guys, holy shit.
Circular ass logic, of Israel should not warn because they don't always warn.
How about they don't blow up the building?
Bam Bam Baklava
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The problem is people want to view this as a black and white issue. Israel are heartless monsters and Palestinians are victims and vice versa. The issues are way more complicated than just that kind of simple view.
Until we can look at things for what they truly are without bias or favoritism we will never be able to solve the problem.
Until we can look at things for what they truly are without bias or favoritism we will never be able to solve the problem.
jakonovski
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Actually Israel should stop their terror campaign, full stop.
Dubbedinenglish
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Palestinian civilians hold some blame then?
BumblebeeCody
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What kind of flamebait is this?
I think he is referring to the respective governments.
Israeli = the Israel Government
Palestinians = the Palestinian Leadership
Bam Bam Baklava
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No they don't. They just happen to be in the middle of an incredibly bad situation.
Whitechocolatekrispies
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No excuse me. Address the fucking question. Would you rather Israel just bomb without any warning?
vas_a_morir
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Gemüsepizza;123367037 said:
haha guys... these are computer-generated reproductions, translated in English. These aren't photographs of the actual flyers. (I got trolled again, didn't I?lol oh u guys)
Gemüsepizza
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This whole "but things are more complicated"-view is imo also one of the reasons why there has been no progress for such a long time. Because I don't think it is that complicated. Some people just have too look at this conflict from a different perspective.
just so you know how combat in an urban environment works, the defenders always have the upper hand when it comes to the element of surprise, whether it be ambushes or booby traps, they way to combat that with an invading force is fire power,you arent sure if an alleyway is booby trapped? throw a grenade in there, militants are shooting at you from a building? call for artillery, or better yet an airstrike,safest option is to topple the whole building down.
in urban warfare more firepower= safer troops.
its the reason there are so many casualties, any invading force has to decided between collateral damage and loss of soldiers lives, was the same in Iraq and Afghanistan, its why there were tens of thousands civilians dead there as well.
I wasn't speaking literally.
Why are attacks happening on places where there is no evidence of militants?
"Better safe than sorry" doesn't apply to shelling a refugee shelter after not obliging their evacuation requests.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Gemüsepizza;123370064 said:
What is your solution? Keep in mind it's not just enough to think of a good solution you would have to get lots of different people to sign onto it. That's where the difficulty comes in.
If you have a hundred lives and you deploy leaflets that save 12 lives that is still a deficit of 88 lives. None of which actually had to be destroyed to begin with.
Arithmetic.
Dubbedinenglish
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One state, no apartheid. Let democracy sort it out.
Are you for real?
Talk about a logical fallacy.
Way to take someones argument and twist it to a simplistic point that no one was making. Nice argument.
Pretty ridiculous how all of the pro-Israeli guys are trying to avoid this whole event by giving silly politician answers or by answering a different problem.
Mind if I use your strawman as a scarecrow? My garden keeps getting raided.
SneakyStephan
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give it a chance?
what?
civilians are dying, that is not a 'chance'
sorry guys let's try again we'll get better at this I promise, hang on while we murder the shit out of your family with our bombs
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