Sickboy007
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That's just a homosexualist diversion, comrade. Get on with the message.
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Italian Constitutional Referendum 2016 - Renxit
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That's just a homosexualist diversion, comrade. Get on with the message.
Not traditionally right, but Trump-style. They're the "Fuck the system" party, with a dose of post-facts politics.
M5S's unofficial motto is "Making perfect the enemy of good". Every time there's a law\reform\whatever up, they're "Eh, could be better". Except obviously, anything can be better than it is.
Yeah, the comparisons to Trump&Brexit has just lead to doomsaying drive-by posts with no attempt to actually look into what this marginally significant, internal political event means.
It's shit but relatively par for the course in Italy.
Fox_Mulder
Rockefellers. Skull and Bones. Microsoft. Al Qaeda. A Cabal of Bankers. The melting point of steel. What do these things have in common? Wake up sheeple, the landfill wasn't even REAL!
Thats a sad day for my country
a few months to give a taste of chaos might shake up people to what they are really choosing. But if you ask me the real problem is parties not really addressing the problems of the people and relying on fear to get votes, if you see the brexit and the us campaigns the negativity express by the loosing side, for me was a factor for defeat. If you take hope away from people they will turn to anyone that give them that hope even when is the worst person.
DarkCronos
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there's no chance in hell M5S will form an alliance with everyone else. They are an anti-politics and anti-establishment party, its their raison d'etre to be against everyone else.
the only possible alliance will be PD + the some or all of the right wing parties, but that would really be difficult, because some of the right wing parties won't ever do alliances with PD
Vampirolol
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They are not far-right, but far-right is like them: fascism was born the same way, Lega Nord (the very-very right party) was born the same way, they all start with anti establishment propaganda, some good and bad ideas thrown everywhere without any wieght to them.
I know many people who are alligned with far-right ideas, they all vote for M5S.
It's Italy. Crazy politics is their lifestyle.
Do you even have a clue of what you're saying? Seems like your knowledge comes from those 3-4 newspapers known to be funded by political parties, therefore mostly unreliable, that have spent the last 5 years trying to cover the 5 Stars Movement with shit, lies, catastrophic headlines and more.
Also, this Referendum has little to do with Brexit. This was, yet again, another attempt made by Renzi to gain more power to do whatever he wants (as if he didn't made enough damage already); the very definition of democracy, isn't it? I'm happy that "NO" seems to be the winner: there can be changes in our Constitution but these are not the ones we need.
Side not: do not listen to Salvini. He's just a big show man with a big mouth.
Delusibeta
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No, that's the French and German general elections next year. This is small beer in comparison.
Chance at what? If the majority of the Italian people vote a certain way, they didn't fuck up, it was what they wanted. Can you not see why posts like yours are exactly why globalist or pro-EU sentiment is at an all time low. People don't want to be told they need to vote a certain way 'for the greater good' or especially because some guy outside the country thinks his way is right.
Otherwise just watch as France and Netherlands and many others go down this very same path.
Ok.
This "everything is a conspiracy except the things i say" is driving me insane. Guess i'll enjoy the index tomorrow zzz. Billions down the flush.
Sickboy007
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Depends on the reactions of the markets.
Mainstream media, right? At least salvini recognizes how similar he is to Farage, Trump and Le Pen.
johancruijff
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we're comparing them because they use the same methods of campaigning + the long shadow of russian involvement
Vampirolol
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What? He is just passionate about politics and was joking about the tragic situtation the world is dealing with.
cm osi
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luckily for the left, the right is in shambles. it's the only way a left government can last
Renzi on Twitter: https://twitter.com/matteorenzi/status/805548385486929920
"Thanks everyone, anyway. In a few minutes I will be live from Palazzo Chigi. Long live Italy!
PS I'm coming 😀"
"Thanks everyone, anyway. In a few minutes I will be live from Palazzo Chigi. Long live Italy!
PS I'm coming 😀"
Every government in Italy was a coalition of some sort. Nearly every one didn't last to the end of it's mandate. Coalition in Italy just don't work.
Jezbollah
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Yep, Sky News reporting he will be addressing the country very soon.
Gurgelhals
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Well, the PD and its coalition partners have a working majority in both chambers of parliament, for whatever it is worth now, and the next regular elections aren't due until 2018. So it's not like the Five Star Movement or the far right can just sweep into power on the back of the referendum result.
cm osi
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how coalition works here: the moment you make it, the moment they start to threat you to drop the support because there's something they don't like
This is an excellent post. The anti-Brexit campaign was precisely that, anti-Brexit. Hillary's presidential campaign was anti-Trump. If those campaigns had been more pro-EU or "Hi I'm Hillary, here is what I'm gonna do for you" I reckon they would have gained more traction and we wouldn't be where we are now.
It's tough though. Far right policies are scary shit. When you see that shit gaining momentum and realise you are the only person who can stop it, it must be terrifying. How could you not run a campaign of fear when it's likely to be an emotion running pretty strongly within you. Post facts politics is some ride eh.
You even read what you write?
"Mainstream media is against us" is pratically the same as writing "Facts are against us", and is the unmistakeable mark of *that* kind of politics.
GIANKRATOS
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I swear i will be so mad if the no win. But sadly i know Italians... We have one opportunity, ONE to change things and we fuck up because of stupid reasons. Literally my Mother said she was going to vote no because "Renzi mi sta sulle scatole". I have no words.
I am no expert in politics. But when you hear a politician say "to really change, we have to vote no" and by voting no you literally vote to not change anything, you know that something doesn't add up.
I love my country. The most beautiful country in the world. I'm not so sure about the ignorant people living in it.
I am no expert in politics. But when you hear a politician say "to really change, we have to vote no" and by voting no you literally vote to not change anything, you know that something doesn't add up.
I love my country. The most beautiful country in the world. I'm not so sure about the ignorant people living in it.
TTOOLL
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It's seems people have gotten the memo yet.
Will they not have an election now Renzi has quit?
Would you be so kind to point me at the conspiracy part in my post, please?
Newspapers funded by political parties is a known reality. Same applies for TV (RAI and Mediaset). Too bad not everyone is blind or deaf.
To be fair this was expected. Only question is how italian banks gonna do tomorrow.
Renzi backtracked on the whole "I'm quitting if i lose the referendum" thing months ago.
In this case it was the opposite. The winners relied on the vote against Renzi rather than one on the reform. Negativity won.
johancruijff
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Like every single reputable news outlet? Enjoy russiatoday i guess.
Sickboy007
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What an idiotic thing to say to begin with :/
Everyone jumped in on that, from PD's own inane internal minority to the far right.
My dad tried the same thing on me and he was met by some very colorful blasphemies on my part. I don't get voting to ruin your country out of spite, it's the stupidest thing ever.
Vampirolol
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Who needs to read Libero or watch Rai 1 to see what M5S is? Seriously. Should we read Il Fatto Quotidiano? Or Tze Tze or whatever other not-political-funded but still in need-of-people-biuying-it so actually just as biased as the others newspaper?
There is no doubt that a big part of the press is against M5S, just like a big part of the press (especially on social networks) is against PD. It's not like you are talking to elders watching Rete 4, people here are probably capable enough of using internet to avoid mass media.
A strong europe was the only way we could diminish the impact of the Trump shitshow on the world and the only way our market could stand to the aggressiveness of american supercorps. Being anti-EU right now is literally a vote for irrilevance and submission to supercorps which can bully you to hell and back once you're a relatively small market.
Well, look at the UK. The head rat Farage ruined the country, is now leaving the sinking ship and his followers still believe him.
There's nothing you can do with some people.
GIANKRATOS
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The NO won.
chromatic9
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The 5 star movement want a referendum on the euro currency? Sounds quite bad considering how inflated the Lira was, I doubt the public want that do they?
Jezbollah
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There are a lot of people in Italy who want the Lira back......
GIANKRATOS
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Vampirolol
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Lots of italians want that, because they feel nostalgic about the 90's, when we had Lira and the economy felt so much better, even though the signals for this shitshow were already shining.
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