It's kind of a shame that Trump's campaign has to end like this...

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I think the thing that makes this scandal different than many of Trump's previous ones is the compounding aspect at work. Most of his has come, another popped up right after, leaving the media and public without a lot of details or time to process. Gish Gallop on an epic scale, if you will.

This comes right after his fued with a former Miss Universe that highlighted his sexism, there's a segue there that's crafting a narrative of aggresive sexism. And not only that, it's something that is deeply personal to many, and not some far off corruption from business they probably don't truly grasp. That's why this time there's such a heat, and a potential to stick.

Officerrob said:
We are in uncharted territory here, this is by far his lowest point.
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No, again, I was talking about his poll numbers. They haven't reaches those post-DNC numbers yet. maybe they will get there, though. I'm not talking from a moral standpoint
 
DasPenguin said:
That's the most amazing thing in this election. That orange thing is only down by 5-7%? How is that even possible? That doesn't speak too highly of the American population. Or half of it.

Do people just vote for their party no matter what? We don't have a two party system here, and I think people vote for different parties at different times depending on the person running for office. It just seems like people root for the republican/democratic party like they were sports teams or something.
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I think some people just do.
I have a staff member under me who is going to vote for Trump, because he is a republican. And that's it. I didn't really question further, since I didn't want to think of him any less than I do right now (he's a good worker). I was just sort of mind blown by his reasoning. Like, I literally don't know anyone else in NYC who would vote for him.
 
Lord Frieza said:
No, again, I was talking about his poll numbers. They haven't reaches those post-DNC numbers yet.
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His poll numbers were even lower than the post-DNC period in June 2016 and April 2016. Not to mention any time before September 2015.

Just after he entered the race, Clinton led him 59-35 in a head-to-head.
 
AndrewPL said:
Try Google Juanita Broaddrick, Kathleen Willey and Paula Jones
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Sure. Hillary has some issues. But try to apply a little empathy. When Bill cheated, first of all, she might not have believed it for who knows how long. He denied it to her, you know. It would have been a very tough.spot to be in. We don't know the story from her perspective. And we also don't know how accurate various allegations against her or Bill are.

Now, aside from somewhat shaky allegations (which Trump easily matches or exceeds), concerns about moral or ethical standing (which Trump easily matches or exceeds), Hillary has a long, very distinguished record of public service and charity work. She genuinely has dedicated her life to helping people. Her ambition stems from the desire to change things for the better.

That is not true of her opponent. He wants to be famous and powerful, for selfish and petty reasons.
 
I just find it surreal that, out of all of the things he's said and done - including literally breaking federal laws - the one thing that might take him down and put the nail in the coffin is a story almost broken by ACCESS FUCKING HOLLYWOOD were it not leaked to the Washington Post first. Like literally every day the Washington Post and New York Times have been taking Trump to the cleaners via in depth, investigative reporting but b-roll footage from the poor man's version of Entertainment Tonight is going to be Trump's Watergate tapes.
 
Speely said:
Mostly true, but not entirely. He is also running on anti-establishment rhetoric, and he is the sole populist still in the race. There are lots of people who just want someone to "shake things up," and they don't care how it happens.

It's a sound tactic. If people are frustrated or scared, give them something to blame. You don't even have to offer a reasonable solution... just attack the strawmen you create from the fear. Trump is coasting on a lot more than hate right now. Fear is a hell of a drug.
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Oh, right, I forgot the fear. Hate and fear. And "Chi-na". The anti-establishment stuff, he really just picked up along the way. He's refined what gets him cheers. But the base of his campaign, right from his mouth on day 1, was "I'm a racist". Even the anti-China stuff was just something he thought people would like to hear. He doesn't really care about a trade deficit or corruption in politics. People may support him because of those things, or other things he picked up, but he's running because having a black president unhinged him. That's it.
 
As long as the dude doesn't win, who really cares.

GillianSeed79 said:
I just find it surreal that, out of all of the things he's said and done - including literally breaking federal laws - the one thing that might take him down and put the nail in the coffin is a story almost broken by ACCESS FUCKING HOLLYWOOD were it not leaked to the Washington Post first. Like literally every day the Washington Post and New York Times have been taking Trump to the cleaners via in depth, investigative reporting but b-roll footage from the poor man's version of Entertainment Tonight is going to be Trump's Watergate tapes.
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Says a lot really
 
Leondexter said:
Sure. Hillary has some issues. But try to apply a little empathy. When Bill cheated, first of all, she might not have believed it for who knows how long. He denied it to her, you know. It would have been a very tough.spot to be in. We don't know the story from her perspective. And we also don't know how accurate various allegations against her or Bill are.
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She went after the accusers. She insulted accusers of a GOP Senator.

In 1993, Hillary Clinton derided a group of women who made claims of sexual harassment against Republican senator Bob Packwood, according to Blair. “HC tired of all those whiney women, and she needs him on health care,” wrote Blair of her conversation with Hillary Clinton, who was heading up her husband’s ulitmately unsuccessful effort to reshape the U.S. health care system.
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Mrs. Clinton called Ms. Lewinsky a “narcissistic loony toon,” according to a 1998 conversation Ms. Blair recalled. “HRC insists, no matter what people say, it was gross inappropriate behavior but it was consensual (was not a power relationship) and was not sex within real meaning” of the word, Ms. Blair wrote.
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During their Arkansas years, one of her ways of sidestepping bad news of all kinds was simply refusing to read the papers. After the Gennifer Flowers story came out during her husband's '92 presidential run, her response, according to Carl Bernstein, was to throw herself into efforts to discredit Flowers and to try to persuade horrified campaign aides to bring out rumors that Poppy Bush had not always been faithful to Barbara.
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She won't give that speech because she has been on the wrong side of gender bias. OK, there is no right side, but she consistently relates to and protects and stands with the oppressors in the gender wars, not the victims. It isn't only that she stayed with Bill Clinton, but that she invariably sees him as the victim, preyed upon by a series of female aggressors.

According to Carl Bernstein's A Woman in Charge, as her husband prepared to run for president, she pushed to get sworn statements from women he'd been rumored to have been involved with, statements in which they were supposed to say they'd had no relationship with him. She even interviewed one of these women herself, at her law firm. She also led efforts to undermine Gennifer Flowers, whom she referred to as "trailer trash."

In an interview she gave after the Monica Lewinsky affair became public, Hillary spoke about how horribly her husband had suffered in his childhood as the result of being torn between the first two women in his life—his mother and grandmother. (Note: Again, in this scenario it's the women who are victimizing the poor little guy.)

Hillary Clinton can't give the speech because she has not always been so sisterly, and if her biggest fans knew who she really blamed—other women—they might not still be fans.
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The now Melissa Harris-Perry:
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Leondexter said:
Oh, right, I forgot the fear. Hate and fear. And "Chi-na". The anti-establishment stuff, he really just picked up along the way. He's refined what gets him cheers. But the base of his campaign, right from his mouth on day 1, was "I'm a racist". Even the anti-China stuff was just something he thought people would like to hear. He doesn't really care about a trade deficit or corruption in politics. People may support him because of those things, or other things he picked up, but he's running because having a black president unhinged him. That's it.
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I won't argue with that, just because of what he has shown himself to be. It's evidenced even more so by the people he has chosen to associate himself with.
 
Probably already been asked but will this scandal really affect his numbers? I really hope it's the silver bullet but I'm less optimistic.
 
DeSo said:
Probably already been asked but will this scandal really affect his numbers? I really hope it's the silver bullet but I'm less optimistic.
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he's been on a downward slide for a week or two now. sort of like mccain and romney it was probably going to continue through october.... hard to imagine this won't be a final nail in the coffin
 
DeSo said:
Probably already been asked but will this scandal really affect his numbers? I really hope it's the silver bullet but I'm less optimistic.
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I don't think it will do much in and of itself. If what he has said before this isn't enough to drive people off, then this probably won't either. We who live in bubbles underestimate how many racist, fearful, ignorant misogynists make up the U.S. population. This is not a scandal to them. This is just a politician finally speaking their language.

But his numbers will prolly continue to go down.
 
Lord Frieza said:
I think the thing that makes this scandal different than many of Trump's previous ones is the compounding aspect at work. Most of his has come, another popped up right after, leaving the media and public without a lot of details or time to process. Gish Gallop on an epic scale, if you will.
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I think it's more that his position is just indefensible. Banning Muslin immigration and deporting Mexicans were actual solutions to real problems. Dumb, bigoted solutions but solutions none the less. Surrogates could go on TV and pretend like Trump was trying to help America's problems.

This is basically just "I can sexually assault people because I'm famous haha!" There's really no way to argue that helps the country or adds to his character.
 
I think you're giving too much credit to the importance of this scandal

It reaffirms what everyone who doesn't like Trump already knew and his supporters don't give a fuck because it's just two guys making some locker room jokes from 10 years ago.
 
dave is ok said:
I think you're giving too much credit to the importance of this scandal

It reaffirms what everyone who doesn't like Trump already knew and his supporters don't give a fuck because it's just two guys making some locker room jokes from 10 years ago.
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Several endorsements have already been yanked, more are likely coming. Vocal elected officials are now calling for Trump to step down and quit the race. The effect this scandal has on downticket races is pretty obvious.

As for the general election, do you really think Trump's polling numbers will be the same in a week? The first debate brought them down already, and that wasn't nearly as bad as trying to bang a married woman or admitting that you grope women without their consent.
 
dave is ok said:
I think you're giving too much credit to the importance of this scandal

It reaffirms what everyone who doesn't like Trump already knew and his supporters don't give a fuck because it's just two guys making some locker room jokes from 10 years ago.
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White, college-educated women (who often vote Republican) are one of the key swing demographics this election. Many have remained undecided. This will push a ton of them away from Trump.
 
border said:
Several endorsements have already been yanked, more are likely coming. Vocal elected officials are now calling for Trump to step down and quit the race. The effect this scandal has on downticket races is pretty obvious.

As for the general election, do you really think Trump's polling numbers will be the same in a week? The first debate brought them down already, and that wasn't nearly as bad as trying to bang a married woman or admitting that you grope women without their consent.
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I think there will be a slight dip, nowhere near what people here are hoping/expecting. His base doesn't care. They already made their minds

The debate will probably have a bigger effect.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
I just find it surreal that, out of all of the things he's said and done - including literally breaking federal laws - the one thing that might take him down and put the nail in the coffin is a story almost broken by ACCESS FUCKING HOLLYWOOD were it not leaked to the Washington Post first. Like literally every day the Washington Post and New York Times have been taking Trump to the cleaners via in depth, investigative reporting but b-roll footage from the poor man's version of Entertainment Tonight is going to be Trump's Watergate tapes.
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Life is strange sometimes, isn't it? It's amazing that this will probably do him in. And even more crazy is there is probably worse stuff on Trump.
 
Sitting on a plane and the lady next to me thinks Trump is hilarious. She says he's just a personality like any celebrity and will be a great leader for our nation.

Trump has not lost yet my friends...
 
ZombiePlatypus said:
It's over? His supporters are doubling down from what I've read and seen.
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Walter Mondale got 40.6% of the popular vote in the worst electoral loss in the history of US presidential elections.

I'm not saying we'll see something similar, partisanship in US politics has evolved too far to see something like that any time soon. I'm saying his base Republican support of 40% is free to double down on him, he won't win the electoral college with them alone.
 
This is not going to end his campaign. His supporters are already in Bill did worse and everyone talks like this mode. Outside of a report that he molested his daughter, I don't know what would cause the bottom feeders that support him to turn on him.
 
I get a feeling he's not done, and now they'll just pull up some stuff on Hillary. Hillary will pull stuff on him. tit for tat.
 
dave is ok said:
I think there will be a slight dip, nowhere near what people here are hoping/expecting. His base doesn't care. They already made their minds

The debate will probably have a bigger effect.
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It remains to be seen how big his unrelenting "base" is, and how much of his support is just people uneasily giving him their vote because he's a Republican. This scandal will probably strip away the latter group. Even if you can dismiss this tape as "locker room talk", most women aren't used to hearing locker room chatter, and like to think that their husband, boyfriend, or president would be above it. For 50% of the population this isn't normal or something that's to be expected.
 
I get a feeling he's not done, and now they'll just pull up some stuff on Hillary. Hillary will pull stuff on him. tit for tat.

People who are loud and say stupid things are always popular...this is all entertainment.
 
dave is ok said:
I think there will be a slight dip, nowhere near what people here are hoping/expecting. His base doesn't care. They already made their minds

The debate will probably have a bigger effect.
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Uh, a slight dip is HUGE for trump at this moment. He trails and time is running out. This will be a topic for another week and he is already trailing. Every story that's not a big negative for Hillary or a win for him is terrible for his campaign.

He needs to make up ground, fast.
Early voting is already in place in some states, if this drags on for two weeks it's over.
 
His campaign isnt even close to over. This will push his numbers down a little bit but if we have learned anything in this election, it's that Donald Trump can do no wrong with his base. I think this makes it even harder for him to win, but he will still do just fine in the electoral college.
 
Laevateinn said:
Nobody gives a shit about them.
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Well, that's sort of why the 30%+ of them have gained a certain amount of power. Nobody cares about them. Trump is saying (lying about it, but hey these people are usually not intelligent) that he cares about them. Thus, they have latched onto him and will take this ride as far as it goes.

The sad truth is that if there was better education and better programs designed to eradicate the kind of poverty they live in, to get their children out of this cycle of racism, then maybe in a generation or two their numbers would dwindle.

Of course, the GOP, while catering to these people, actively work at keeping them exactly where they are, because that's their base.
 
Crazyorloco said:
I get a feeling he's not done, and now they'll just pull up some stuff on Hillary. Hillary will pull stuff on him. tit for tat.

People who are loud and say stupid things are always popular...this is all entertainment.
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If Trump had something like that on the Clintons, it would have come out by now. Instead, it will be more rumor spreading and "there's something going on" like he always does.
 
There would always be a shitty excuse, though. Trump has been pushing the "if I lose, it's rigged" narrative for a long time now, and his supporters have been buying it. Him losing is the most important thing.
 
As long as Trump loses I'm fine. It doesn't matter if the GOP doesn't learn its lesson this year. Demographics are changing every year, and it's only going to get harder for them to win the White House, so they'll have to learn sooner or later.

Until then, I'll happily keep supporting the Democrats.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
I just find it surreal that, out of all of the things he's said and done - including literally breaking federal laws - the one thing that might take him down and put the nail in the coffin is a story almost broken by ACCESS FUCKING HOLLYWOOD were it not leaked to the Washington Post first. Like literally every day the Washington Post and New York Times have been taking Trump to the cleaners via in depth, investigative reporting but b-roll footage from the poor man's version of Entertainment Tonight is going to be Trump's Watergate tapes.
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The guy is a sleazy reality TV star. Maybe it was always going to be something of Access Hollywood's ilk to finally do him in.

That said, the motherfucker was losing without this story.
 
From responses on social media, his supporters are not backing down. They all are playing the deflecting game "oh yea, that's bad... but... BENGAZHIIIIII!!!!!!"
 
His supporters are still using the "yeah, but he tells it like it is so that scares a lot of people" excuse. Fucking idiots.
 
GillianSeed79 said:
I just find it surreal that, out of all of the things he's said and done - including literally breaking federal laws - the one thing that might take him down and put the nail in the coffin is a story almost broken by ACCESS FUCKING HOLLYWOOD were it not leaked to the Washington Post first. Like literally every day the Washington Post and New York Times have been taking Trump to the cleaners via in depth, investigative reporting but b-roll footage from the poor man's version of Entertainment Tonight is going to be Trump's Watergate tapes.
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This.

It speaks a lot, tbh.
 
Monocle said:
When the country is months away from tipping into full blown fascism, I'll take what I can get, thank you.
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I agree but I also agree with OP. It's good at least he'll (probably) go down. I say probably cause if people get complacent and decide since he's going to lose they won't bother voting he could win (it's happened before... look up Dewey). But, I agree with OP it's still a shame it isn't cause most the country refuted his values rather than a "gotcha" moment that it will be attributed to instead.
 
BattleMonkey said:
From responses on social media, his supporters are not backing down. They all are playing the deflecting game "oh yea, that's bad... but... BENGAZHIIIIII!!!!!!"
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HEY...

Benjamin ghazi was a hero who sacrificed himself to expose shillary's emails and sent Snowden packing to mother Russia..

show some respect.

/s
 
It's kind of a shame that Trump's campaign has to end like this...
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Says increasingly nervous poster for 12th time this year

We can hope tho, but part of me wants him to keep trucking because the hole he's digging is hilarious.

...except he owns a crane and can pull his ass out of that hole anytime he wants, it seems :|
 
I disagree, OP. If Trump lost conventionally, he would rile his base up and keep his movement going.

Now, he's shamed. He won't lose all his supporters, but they'll become increasingly fringe. Before, his supporters had to defend a anti-PC rebel who "told it like it is". Now, they have to defend a creepy old man who tried to grab women by the pussy because he's rich. There's a big difference there.
 
So, how has this ended Trump's campaign exactly?

This is said during every single one of his scandals and nothing changes.

He was heading towards a loss in November and will continue to do so. He won't drop out. The needle may change slightly, but the result is the same.
 
To me it is not over until Hillary officially wins on Election Day. This election has been just the dumbest thing in politics I can remember. After Brexit and seeing the rise of the far right in Europe, and with things being bad here, we shouldn't take chances. This is serious. So go out and vote!!

VOTE!!!!
 
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