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It's official - last official US troops have officially left Iraq

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Phoenix

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(CNN) -- In a final tactical road march, the last U.S. troops in Iraq crossed the border into Kuwait on Sunday morning, ending almost nine years of a deadly and divisive war.
About 500 Fort Hood, Texas-based soldiers and 110 military vehicles made the journey south from Camp Adder, near Nasiriya, to the Khabari border crossing, from where they will head to Camp Virginia in Kuwait before flying home.
They were the last soldiers in what amounted to the largest U.S. troop drawdown since the war in Vietnam.
Brigade Commander Col. Doug Crissman said his soldiers used the cover of night for security and timed the troop movements so as to avoid a traffic jam on the main north-south highway, which the Americans called Main Supply Route Tampa.
Staff Sgt. Daniel Gaumer, 37, recalled his first tour of Iraq, in August 2003, when he drove in on this very same road. He had never been in a combat zone before.
He was driving an unarmored Humvee -- something that is unimaginable now. He was frightened.
There was not a lot of traffic at that time, he recalled. He remembered a lot of cheering by Iraqis, even though the situation was tense.
Sunday morning, the air was decidedly different.
"It's pretty historic," he said about the drive south, hoping he will not ever have to come back through this unforgiving desert again.
"The biggest thing about going home is just that it's home," he said. "It's civilization as I know it -- the Western world, not sand and dust and the occasional rain here and there."
A month ago, Adder, the last U.S. base before the five-hour drive to the Kuwaiti border, housed 12,000 people. By Thursday, the day the United States formally ended its mission in Iraq with a flag-casing ceremony in Baghdad, under 1,000 people remained there.
The 3rd Brigade Special Troops Battalion, 1st Cavalry Division officially transferred control of Camp Adder to the Iraqis on Friday, though it did not really change hands until the last American departed early Sunday morning.
At its height, Adder housed thousands of troops and had a large PX, fast-food outlets, coffee shops and even an Italian restaurant. Now a ghost town, the United States gave 110,000 items left at Adder to the Iraqis, a loot worth $76 million, according to the military.
In her last days working in a guard tower in Iraq, Sgt. Ashley Vorhees, 29, dreamed of seeing her three children and eating crispy chicken tacos at Rosa's Mexican restaurant in Killeen, Texas. She also looked forward to not having to carry her gun with her to the bathroom.
Vorhees, a combat medic, spent her first tour of Iraq with her husband, also a soldier.
"When Osama bin Laden was captured and killed, my mom was like 'Does that mean that everybody is coming home now?'" Vorhees said.
"We actually had it a lot better than the people did who did the initial invasion," she said. "We're just thankful that we're not getting attacked every day."
When the war was at its worst in 2006, America had 239,000 men and women in uniform stationed in more than 500 bases sprinkled throughout Iraq. Another 135,000 contractors were working in Iraq.
The United States will still maintain a presence in Iraq: hundreds of nonmilitary personnel, including 1,700 diplomats, law enforcement officers, and economic, agricultural and other experts, according to the State Department. In addition, 5,000 security contractors will protect Americans and another 4,500 contractors will serve in other roles.
The U.S. exit closes a war that was contentious from the start and cost the nation more than $800 billion.

President Barack Obama, who had made a campaign promise to bring home American troops, reflected on a greater cost as Sunday's exit made good on his word.
More than 4,500 U.S. troops were killed in Iraq; more than 30,000 wounded. In all, 1.5 million Americans served their nation at war.
"All of them -- our troops, veterans, and their families -- will always have the thanks of a grateful nation," Obama said in his weekly radio address Saturday.
It's impossible to know with certainty the number of Iraqis who have died in Iraq since 2003. But the independent public database Iraq Body Count has compiled reports of more than 150,000 between the invasion and October 2010, with four out of five dead being civilians.
And the question of how Iraq will fare in the months ahead, without U.S. troops, is also impossible to answer.
Even before the last soldiers had left, political crisis was erupting in Baghdad.
The powerful political bloc Iraqiya said it was suspending its participation in parliament, which would threaten Iraq's fragile power-sharing arrangement. Iraqiya accuses Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki of amassing power.
But for the last U.S. troops out, the message was clear.
Crissman, their commander, spent the past few weeks speaking to the soldiers in each of his companies.
He told them he was proud of his troops and they should be proud of what they had accomplished. And, he wanted his soldiers to take care of themselves back home as much as they did in Iraq.
In the months before the brigade deployed in February, it lost 13 soldiers to accidents, some because of driving under the influence of alcohol. At least one death was a suicide.
"Quite frankly we lost more soldiers in peacetime in the nine or 10 months before this brigade deployed due to accidents and risky behavior ... than we lost here in combat," Crissman said. "We want every soldier that survived this combat deployment to survive redeployment and reintegration."
Capt. Mark Askew, 28, said he was worried about the well-being of his soldiers, many of whom have done multiple tours of Iraq and felt the stress and sting of war.
Was the loss, the grief, worth it?
For Askew, it will all depend on how Iraq's future unfolds -- whether democracy and human rights will take root, whether Iraq will be a steadfast U.S. ally.
It will depend, he said, on how Iraq shapes its own destiny.
CNN's Ingrid Formanek reported from the Iraq-Kuwait border, Jomana Karadsheh from Baghdad and Moni Basu from Atlanta.

Link for the lazy
 

Gattsu25

Banned
It's impossible to know with certainty the number of Iraqis who have died in Iraq since 2003. But the independent public database Iraq Body Count has compiled reports of more than 150,000 between the invasion and October 2010, with four out of five dead being civilians.
Damn..
 

Shanadeus

Banned
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Have you heard?

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Heard wha-

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The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
I found some more coverage:
BAGHDAD—A series of massive explosions ripped through a crowded central Baghdad market on Friday, killing at least 54 Iraqi citi­zens in not our problem anymore.

Shortly before noon local time, according to sources, four trucks loaded with explosives detonated in a simultaneous no longer our mess to clean up, wounding more than 200. The blasts, which appeared to be timed to coincide with the height of Friday prayers, left a grisly, chaotic scene of scattered body parts, shattered storefronts, and they're going to have to learn to deal with this themselves from now on because we're out of there come January.

According to city officials, local morgues have been overwhelmed with we're seriously not going to give this a second thought.

"This was a senseless, cowardly act of we're leaving, we're done, so this doesn't concern us one shred," said Defense Secretary Leon Pa­netta, briefly addressing the completely inconsequential event, as far as we're concerned. "We've been in contact with Prime Minister [Nouri] al-Maliki and have pledged to assist with paying no further attention to this type of thing, got it?"

"President Obama offers his deepest condolences to the it's completely outside our mandate at this point, and his thoughts are with those Iraqis and their families who frankly none of this matters much one way or the other," Panetta continued. "Adios."

The powerful somebody else's problem now is said to have killed six police officers and 19 children, though authorities had not yet identified the somebody else's problem now, goddamn it. In what may be a related incident, four were gunned down outside a nearby army recruiting station when this would have been a big deal in 2003, but nope, not anymore. Consider our hands scrubbed clean of this mess.

An influential Shiite militia has claimed responsibility for let's just get back home to our families for Christ's sake, go back to living normal lives again, and try to forget all about this, according to posts on an Arabic-language website known to be used by militant groups.

Additionally, sources confirmed we don't care.

"We cannot and will not allow insurgents to destabilize the gains we've made and I liter­ally put this attack out of my mind the second it happened," said Gen. Lloyd Austin, com­mander of U.S. forces in Iraq, as he packed up his computer and belongings to exit the country for good. "We will continue to work closely with Iraqi intelligence and security forces to ensure, look, we did the best we could here, okay? We tried. We fucking tried. Now, I'm not going to stand here questioning this or that military decision, but let's just say it was a lousy situation to begin with. That really shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. And now it's time to cut our losses and go. It's over. Done-zo. So best of luck to all of you."

"Army checkpoints in the area have been restored," he added.

The bombing, which marks this month's deadliest nuh-uh, don't look at us, is just the latest in a spate of roadside bombs to hit the capital. According to official statistics, the number of violent attacks has risen sharply in recent weeks, leading to fears of what part of "complete U.S. military exit from Iraq by Jan. 1" don't you understand?

Following Friday's nonevent in our estimation, locals gathered at the site of the attack to mourn the we're done talking about this now, and began the solemn task of everything can go to shit for all we care, because we're leaving and never looking back.

"I heard a loud explosion, and when I looked down at my daughter [Hey, look, buddy, we honestly don't know what to tell you]," said blood-spattered Baghdad resident Hatim al-Hasani, 35, describing what someone else is going to have to handle from now on, because we certainly won't be doing it. "[You're on your own. Arrivederci. We're done here.]"

Added al-Hasani, breaking down in tears, "[See ya.]"

At press time, 14 citizens were reported killed and some 30 more injured in some goddamn shit along the Afghan-Pakistani border we still have to fucking deal with.
 

When you consider the alleged reasons we waged war (Colin Powells UN presentation based on the testimony of a single cab driver who the intelligence community didn't even believe and would later to having lied) the subsequent realisation of there having been no WMDs and how those leaders who made the decision are now free to do book tours and live in wealth, damn indeed. Wrap it around a flag and say the word 'freedom' a few times and we forget about it and later struggle to answer why there is so much resentment in that region towards us.
 

Zaptruder

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800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.
 

Everdred

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800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.
I wish there were a +1 button. Well said.
 
800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.

That's being generous
 

The Technomancer

card-carrying scientician
800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.

There's not much in life that really pisses me off, but this is one of the few things. I hate 9/11 and I hate the war in Iraq. Hate them both. In combination they fucked this country over so hard, screwing with our social psychology and wasting hundreds of billions of dollars that could have been spent on actual worthwhile endeavors.
 

Malleymal

You now belong to FMT.
glad they are coming home and i hope that they have stuff to do when they get back and aren't job less.. if they have to go anywhere else, I hope that they have time with their families
 

commedieu

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800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.

lol...

Theres no money in giving people renewable energy. Hasn't JP Morgan taught you anything?


glad they are coming home and i hope that they have stuff to do when they get back and aren't job less.. if they have to go anywhere else, I hope that they have time with their families


Its unfortunate that they are coming back to a terrible economy, terrible healthcare, and little to no opportunity out there. Multiply that with most of this Anti-War/Anti-Troop mentality, and I can't imagine most are going to get a lot of thank you's and waves. That money could have been spent on rehabilitation, as well as putting them into school/trade/something. No one plans for any of this.
 

mj1108

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Not to worry, if a Republican is elected President in 2012 they'll be deployed to Iran just because Iran looked at us funny.
 

Zaptruder

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That's being generous

No kidding. Those are just direct costs... not even beginning to factor in things like interest rates and military pensions and opportunity costs, and costs to international reputation.

lol...

Theres no money in giving people renewable energy. Hasn't JP Morgan taught you anything?

I know you're just been flippant... and you're right - some how, something like renewable energy with such immense benefit for the world and society is construed by bean counters on the basis of return on investments as been unfeasible. And yet we can justify this sort of spending, the kind of spending that sends tidal shockwaves through our economies... all kinds of shit. But we can't seem to justify an infrastructure that helps to guarantee stability and security for the future.

We're not waiting for the other shoe to drop anymore. The other shoe has dropped - and we're living through the gradual and slow decline of western civilization right now.
 

Parch

Member
That's an interesting read with some interesting facts.
Maybe interesting isn't the right word. Shocking? Surprising? Disappointing?
 

coldvein

Banned
800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.

yup.
 

Tristam

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There's not much in life that really pisses me off, but this is one of the few things. I hate 9/11 and I hate the war in Iraq. Hate them both. In combination they fucked this country over so hard, screwing with our social psychology and wasting hundreds of billions of dollars that could have been spent on actual worthwhile endeavors.

I don't really disagree, but let's not kid ourselves: we're America; only small amounts of that money were probably destined toward useful things.
 

Tawpgun

Member
Serious question: How likely is this, foreign policy ladies & dudes of GAF?

Soldiers needing to be re-deployed has been a big problem with this war(s). Wouldn't be surprised if some of them went off to Afghanistan, especially since they didn't see much action during the last months of Iraq.
 

TheSeks

Blinded by the luminous glory that is David Bowie's physical manifestation.
800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.

TERRORIST! YOU SUPPORTING SADDAM. I BET YOU VOTED FOR HIS BROTHER, OBAMA! THEY BOTH SHARE "HUSSEIN!"

Yeah, the money could've went to better use and the region could be in better shape than it is because Bush had to be "gung-ho" and ditch the UN. As much as I dislike the UN at times, they do generally have the right idea.
 

hayejin

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I don't really disagree, but let's not kid ourselves: we're America; only small amounts of that money were probably destined toward useful things.

Yeah seriously. If you follow CA's high speed rail project alone you can see how billions of money were wasted on PR and corruption when project hasn't even started. Then they put it to vote for estimated 60 billion cost only to come back to us and say it will cost us 180+ billion. I know you can be off by few % but a whopping 300%!!!
 

coldvein

Banned
anecdotal talk incoming:

i was just chatting with my little brother about this. he got back from iraq 2-3ish months ago. his main operating base was the size of a midsized american town.. 50,000 or so people all told. he has a hard time believing that all of those people and all of that infrastructure have left/been totally removed in the time since he was there. for what it's worth.
 
Would you say Iraq is in a better condition before or after this war?

Still too soon to know. But the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs, who Saddam committed acts of genocide against, would likely say "yes." I'd imagine the majority of Shiites aren't too sad to see Saddam, Uday, and Qusay Hussein, and the rest of the gang gone either.

How about the first war?

You mean the war where Saddam launched an invasion of Kuwait because he was trying to grab money, and a UN coalition slaughtered his army and kicked him out? And then he had a brutal crackdown on subsequent rebellions that led to nearly 1.5 million people having to seek asylum in Iran?

How is any of that reflecting on your claim that WE destabilized the region?
 

Volimar

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When you consider the alleged reasons we waged war (Colin Powells UN presentation based on the testimony of a single cab driver who the intelligence community didn't even believe and would later to having lied) the subsequent realisation of there having been no WMDs and how those leaders who made the decision are now free to do book tours and live in wealth, damn indeed. Wrap it around a flag and say the word 'freedom' a few times and we forget about it and later struggle to answer why there is so much resentment in that region towards us.

Don't forget that when they were making their case for war they were showing congress satellite images of trucks that held the basics of the WMDs. The only problem was, the trucks weren't real. They were added to the satellite image to give the effect of what the taxi driving con man told them. Only they didn't tell anyone at the time that the images were added digitally...
 

Zaptruder

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Still too soon to know. But the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs, who Saddam committed acts of genocide against, would likely say "yes." I'd imagine the majority of Shiites aren't too sad to see Saddam, Uday, and Qusay Hussein, and the rest of the gang gone either.



You mean the war where Saddam launched an invasion of Kuwait because he was trying to grab money, and a UN coalition slaughtered his army and kicked him out? And then he had a brutal crackdown on subsequent rebellions that led to nearly 1.5 million people having to seek asylum in Iran?

How is any of that reflecting on your claim that WE destabilized the region?

Destabilized might not have been the right word choice. I was more thinking along the lines of created an environment that would help to fuel extremist anti-western sentiment (and the inevitable next batch of terrorists from such an environment) when I wrote that.

But I was also thinking of how much more willing Iraqis are to killing each other without Saddam in the way.

Of course Saddam isn't exactly innocent or good for the Iraqi people - but the way things were done... it's like you say - we're not sure if things are better or worse then when we got there. I mean... was Saddam still killing Iraqi people when we got there? Would it have been on a scale where 100k Iraqis would've died over the course of 10 years? I wonder how many more Iraqis will continue to die as a result of this new post-war environment.

For 800 billion dollars, that's a massive failure. So I contrasted that against wiping my own ass with 800 billion (for sure a waste - but nothing is better or worse after I finish wiping), or something that's definetly good - renewable green energy for the entirety of America.

USA BAD

EVERYONE ELSE GOOD

GREEN ENERGY

HERP DERP
 

speedpop

Has problems recognising girls
800 billion dollars... to destabilize a region, wash it with a bit of our blood and mostly theirs, for the profit of a few men that profit from the business of war...

Seems like it could've been used more effectively. Like wiping my ass 800 billion times with a dollar note.

Alternatively, you could've built a completely green solution to the US power grid with 800 billion. A mix of hydro, wind, thermal, solar... to power every home and business in the US with renewable energy - with potent positive ramifications on energy security.

Stop making so much sense Zap!

Still too soon to know. But the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs, who Saddam committed acts of genocide against, would likely say "yes." I'd imagine the majority of Shiites aren't too sad to see Saddam, Uday, and Qusay Hussein, and the rest of the gang gone either.

Probably going to get ripped apart for this, but don't the U.S. have a decent alliance and strong arms sales to Turkey who continue to harass and maim Kurds?
 
Still too soon to know. But the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs, who Saddam committed acts of genocide against, would likely say "yes." I'd imagine the majority of Shiites aren't too sad to see Saddam, Uday, and Qusay Hussein, and the rest of the gang gone either.



You mean the war where Saddam launched an invasion of Kuwait because he was trying to grab money, and a UN coalition slaughtered his army and kicked him out? And then he had a brutal crackdown on subsequent rebellions that led to nearly 1.5 million people having to seek asylum in Iran?

How is any of that reflecting on your claim that WE destabilized the region?


it's been eight years! how much longer were we supposed to wait? 10? 20? 50? I guess if you wait long enough (or move the goalposts for victory) everything looks worth it.
 

amrihua

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It is not really over until no more bases remain in the region. The US wont be around much longer if it keeps waging wars that it can never really win.

@Pristine_Condition
How do you think Saddam came to power? It starts with C and ends with IA.
 

beast786

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Still too soon to know. But the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs, who Saddam committed acts of genocide against, would likely say "yes." I'd imagine the majority of Shiites aren't too sad to see Saddam, Uday, and Qusay Hussein, and the rest of the gang gone either.

How is any of that reflecting on your claim that WE destabilized the region?

Genocide?

That was 30 years ago, but I am sure if we knew it was happening, we would have stop that massacre.

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Its not like we made deals with people like that or give them weapons to commit the genocide or non stability.



Hell, selling weapons to Iran/Iraq during the war was probably really stabilizing the region. Hey , it probably was also nice since we prevented the UN from condemning Iraq during the Iran/Iraq war.

http://www.iranchamber.com/history/articles/arming_iraq.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair

But hey, at least we are not into selling weapons business anymore in that area... oh wait..
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Se...billion-arms-sale-to-Iraq/UPI-31991285953914/

I guess old habits are hard to break.

Nay, you are right. We know what stability in that region means. We have done a great job in helping in that direction.
 

Sh1ner

Member
I guess the invasion of Iran will be something like summer 2012. I feel so shitty for the vets, they come home and the skills they have learnt are pretty much useless. Then there's the mind fuckery of killing people, seeing civilians die, etc.

Also guys not sure if i am mistaken here but doesn't Iran sell majority of its oil to china? Is there a chance of this turning into a proxy war? :(
 
You mean the war where Saddam launched an invasion of Kuwait because he was trying to grab money, and a UN coalition slaughtered his army and kicked him out? And then he had a brutal crackdown on subsequent rebellions that led to nearly 1.5 million people having to seek asylum in Iran?

How is any of that reflecting on your claim that WE destabilized the region?

IDK MAN maybe the 8 year long war supported and goaded the U.S. to go to war against Iran, a country who had just overthrown their American placed dictator, whose democratically elected predecessor we overthrew

IDK IDK IDK HISTORY BOOKS
 
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