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January Wrasslin' |OT| Big Month John
- Thread starter Biggest-Geek-Ever
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excelsiorlef
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Yeah that makes no sense.... why would the natural heel turn face on the guy who can be a face tomorrow and everyone would buy it.
JesseEwiak
Member
I mean, if you're a whiny edgelord like Punk was or Styles character is, yes, he seems like the face.
But, to you average person, heels still seem like heels. It's just that there are fewer and fewer people watching as the crowds continue to cheer for evil people just because they used to wrestle for smaller companies.
Also, good guys have always been assholes. Because that's what people like - an ass kicker who doesn't take shit. Bruno, Hogan, Austin, etc. Hell, the last time Roman was really over was when he whooped the McMahon's ass.
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
When your definitive example of what a babyface should be is a giant orange roided up coke addicted crazed nationalist egotistical politicking hot-dogging moment-stealing girlfriend stealing racist shithead, then all your faces are gonna end up asshats.
excelsiorlef
Member
Being a good wrestler doesn't mean you should always cheer them on.
You can react how you want, but still.
excelsiorlef
Member
Sure but that's why AJ Styles is over as fuck.
JesseEwiak
Member
So, do you base your other support of fictional characters based on how good they are at their job within the show or their moral character?
So, if AJ Styles Styles Clash'd 8 women in the ring, called Obama the n-word, slapped his wife, but then went out and had a five star match, would you still cheer him?
excelsiorlef
Member
Huh?
I mean it depends. I cheer for Jason Voorhees in the Friday the 13th series for example.
excelsiorlef
Member
What....
No course not... but he ya know doesn't do that. He just says he's the best wrestler and deserves respect.
Booing a heel isnt a sign of disrespect to them, its proving to themselves that they're DOING THEIR JOB by getting you to boo. I'm almost entirely sure AJ would love to get booed more because... ya know... he's a heel.
excelsiorlef
Member
Was speaking to AJ's character in general not in relation to the fans
I'm legitimately holding back barf watching that.
excelsiorlef
Member
On a side note I love this community and you guys a lot. It's nice to talk wrestling with folks again. I had to leave the last wrestling community I was part of because they were toxic and transphobic to me at an obscene level. Like they'd just insult me in threads I had nothing to do with. I'd log back in and search my name every once and a while and even 5-6 years after I left they still would be vruel transphobic jokes about me.
Wrestling is a huge part of my life and you guys make it so much more for me. <3
Wrestling is a huge part of my life and you guys make it so much more for me. <3
JesseEwiak
Member
You mean one of the Top 10 Wrestlers in the world, one of the competitors in the greatest main event in Wrestlemania history, and a man with a healthy claim on having one of the five best 1st five years in the history of the business in-ring, trailing only folks like Akiyama and Angle?
Why you got come at blackaroni like that?
Professor Beef
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excelsiorlef
Member
Top 10 wrestlers in the world... one of the greatest main events in Mania history?
Ooook.
JesseEwiak
Member
I mean, the back half of his 2016 wasn't great because he was saddled with having to work with an old guy like Jericho who has been mediocre to terrible in the ring since he came back, but yes. Top 10 in the world, easy.
And yeah, WM 31 all day, slightly ahead of the WM XX three-way. And before you ask about WM XXX, that's a great moment, but just a very good match. I could probably list 20 better Daniel Bryan matches in the WWE.
excelsiorlef
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I mean to each their own but he's barely top 10 in the WWE and could arguably be excluded from the top ten depending on how we rank it all.
I got a chuckle at you thinking current Jericho is awful in the ring though.
JesseEwiak
Member
Who's better than him? Again, not your perfect vision of that guy, but actual in-ring work this year. I mean, it's nice Nakamura decided to show up and wrestle hard four times this year, but is that enough to push him past Reigns? I mean, same thing with Joe. I'm really not impressed by bog standard TV matches that Nakamura or Joe are in for three months before they turn it on.
I'm also not impressed by indy guys doing a bunch of spots, so frankly, neither Balor pre-injury or Owens would be in my top 10. AJ would be my #1, but he's an actual great worker now, not just a great indy worker. Cena would be in my top 10 if he wrestled more, but right now, he's in a weird spot.
And yeah, Jericho is awful in the ring. He still looks like the Chris Jericho of 10 years ago and is a great comedy character (that shouldn't be in main events), but actual in-ring work. He almost ruined AJ Styles in the WWE, but Styles is so great that even Jericho couldn't screw thing up for him.
*goes to shake your hand but pulls you in for a ddt instead*
*fast count*
excelsiorlef
Member
*Dissappears off TV for months only to return to eliminate you in the 2018 Royal Rumble*
Hidden One
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAOrZCEsW-0
AJ could literally recycle this promo save for a few things Punk says and it would still work in 2017 lol.
Dark Ninja
Member
They should push Cena and AJ for Mania. Have AJ and Cena have a match in a 6 sided ring, call it an independent styled ring. They at this point need to have an Indy styled match, maybe some type of death match.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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*rolls up excelsiorlef, 1-2-3!*
love you too, brother. <3
excelsiorlef
Member
Jericho didn't almost ruin AJ. Booking hom as the Redneck rookie or whatever that dumb shit was did.
His feud with Jericho put on matches in and around 4 stars... hardly awful lol.
Also my top 10 wrestlers today don't hinge on how they were booked in 2016.
I'll whip up a list tomorrow
excelsiorlef
Member
*Bret Hart reverses the normal speed count.*
<3!
Interesting question do male wrestlers or other female wrestlers for that matter call female wrestlers sister or brother?
Foley: "no one cares about statistics and dates, they care about "moments". "
the motto of WWE
JesseEwiak
Member
...and yet, right now, SquaredCircle is on fire people saying they're so pissed at Cena and they're going to be angry if Cena wins on Sunday.
The promo worked on the people it was aimed at.
Pop-O-Matic
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PartTimeWarrior
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*Points at WrestleMania sign*
oneofthose
Banned
HazySaiyan
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I'll give you top 10 in WWE, but in the world? Not even close
British Monsoon
Member
And some will persist in thinking NJPW undervalues Naito, when he's got one of the most important jobs in the company in selling out these secondary shows on the basis of his personality, ability and popularity alone. There's no one better suited to that role at present, only maybe Shibata and I don't think he has quite the same appeal as Naito or Nakamura before him did.
Hah, way to move the goal posts - you can't really compare Roman to the super rookies of wrestling, mainly because his first year or so was trash. Riddle > Roman.
Hah, way to move the goal posts - you can't really compare Roman to the super rookies of wrestling, mainly because his first year or so was trash. Riddle > Roman.
Sir_Crocodile
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I was linking the wrasslin thead elsewhere so I just went to the first page when I was making sure the link worked, and I see "info on other wrasslin' promotions, such as lu or Chikara or EVOlve can easily be discovered via google searches." What a low effort OT from "Biggest-Geek-Ever", really living up to the username
Dude deserves it. LIJ are awesome.
I though that until I saw the entire tokyodome set was built for his entrance. That was so cool.
Dude deserves it. LIJ are awesome.
I though that until I saw the entire tokyodome set was built for his entrance. That was so cool.
HazySaiyan
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Naito is such a fucking boss.
British Monsoon
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Yup, and a few months back FlammableD even made a huge list of useful links and info for the OT that could've easily been copy & pasted, but, y'know. WrassleGAF.