Very silly not to have that match at that juncture. But apparently Vince wasn't happy with how their matches played out in house shows.
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Very silly not to have that match at that juncture. But apparently Vince wasn't happy with how their matches played out in house shows.
They ended in DQ. Same as the fucking Sid match!
It wasn't how their matches played out. Hogan vs Flair didn't draw very well in house shows.
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Kacho
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I'm not sure how reliable Mark Madden is. He seemed to be regurgitating dirt sheet stuff a lot on Jim Ross' podcast the other day. Here's what Madden said:
He must be really, really expensive if that's true.
I thought I read somewhere his contract was $5m for something like 24 dates. That's more than $200k per appearance.
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They really should have just put Reigns as Taker's tag partner against Big Show and Albert Kane for Mania.
avengers23
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Upcoming cities:
2/2/15 Raw: Denver, CO
2/3/15 SmackDown: Colorado Springs, CO
2/9/15 Raw: Columbus, OH
2/10/15 SmackDown: Dayton, OH
2/16/15 Raw: Orlando, FL
2/17/15 SmackDown: Sunrise, FL
2/22/15 Fast Lane: Memphis, TN
2/23/15 Raw: Nashville, TN
2/24/15 SmackDown: Atlanta, GA
3/2/15 Raw: Newark, NJ
3/3/15 SmackDown: Washington, DC
3/9/15 Raw: Pittsburgh, PA
3/10/15 SmackDown: Detroit, MI
3/16/15 Raw: Des Moines, IA
3/17/15 SmackDown: Kansas City, MO
3/23/15 Raw: Los Angeles, CA
3/29/15 WrestleMania XXXI
I'm not seeing a ton of cities that would openly revolt against Reigns.
Yeah I was looking at this earlier as well, it doesn't seem like there are any smarky cities on the road. So if Roman continues to get booed from here on out, that will really speak for something.
Probably worth it. If you compare the PPVs he's on vs not, it's probably a big difference in viewership.
edit: Makes more in a day than Zack Ryder all year!
I knew I forgot about Kota Ibushi as a flipper, but it was 4 am so I'll forgive myself. Definitely one of my favorite flippers though I think more of him than that. I'll check out Uhaa.
avengers23
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The best you can hope for is that Reigns pulls a Kobe in Colorado Springs.
Bellator and Viacom will give Brock whatever his heart desires
if Vince doesnt put up some serious cash Brock is jumping ship.
although part of me believes that Brock didn't leave the ufc on the terms he would have liked, and probably feels like he has unfinished business if he really is healthy for the first time since he even joined the UFC. Although its hard to tell if all that talk from Heyman about diverticulitis was just a work.
if Vince doesnt put up some serious cash Brock is jumping ship.
although part of me believes that Brock didn't leave the ufc on the terms he would have liked, and probably feels like he has unfinished business if he really is healthy for the first time since he even joined the UFC. Although its hard to tell if all that talk from Heyman about diverticulitis was just a work.
Brainbuster DANGEROOOOOOOOUS!!!
Also, don't count Smackdown much in Reign reactions because they can fix the audio in those.
Jimmy King
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Honestly, ignoring any blind hatred for the Young Bucks that move just does nothing for me and I kinda wish it did. I remember when people first brought it up I was just thinking to myself "that's it?"
Well we just got one in Hartford, and Reigns was booed.
And no, Cena wasn't booed during his ascension to the top, he was very over. Once they started watering down his rapper gimmick to being more PG, and making him a superman face, then people got tired of him.
If I was WWE, I'd have pushed Cena back in 2004 too, his reactions warranted it, and they had the brand split back then anyway so they had two top guys between RAW and Smackdown. With Reigns WWE have pretty much decided he's the top guy no matter what, even though nothing indicates audiences think of him that way. Cart before the horse and all that.
Man, I wonder how many times he would have by now if Reigns didn't get that hernia right after that completely pointless L he took on a random Raw for no reason. I really think Seth lucked out there more than anything.
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Didn't know that the "Road to ___" NJPW shows were basically house shows. Gonna skip most of the midcard stuff then. The two young lion matches were pretty good though, Jay White and Yohei Komatsu are on track to being solid Jrs
Steve agreed, friend. I'm counting it in the record books.
Jimmy King
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Reigns is fucked 4lyfe now regardless of what happens. Tooooooooo sweeeeeeeeeet.
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If i go to RAW in LA on the go-home show for Mania, I promise that I will boo Reigns
You can't really just look at cities and decide whether they will or won't, because he's completely unproven. People seem to just be assigning him the Cena reaction, but Cena is the long time top guy, the reactions to him are predictable because you have ten years of reactions to look at, and they've kept him so stale and static that reactions haven't really changed since like 2006.
Reigns is new and completely unproven, so saying "hardcore crowds will hate him" and "casual crowds will love him" doesn't make sense to me. Given he is new and unproven, the snowball effect will probably be more pronounced.
Actually it did, but WWF started the house show touring with that match too early, and kept it going too long. So by the time WM season rolled out, that match was no longer fresh or drawing numbers.
Jimmy King
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true that my friend
I'd imagine Newark and Pittsburgh will destroy him.
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Well, you won't be competitive.
Just pick your competition wisely. I like my fighting game competition like I like my wrestling. Not concerned about the outcome, keep it fun and playful.
UberTag
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They don't even need to announce said match in advance.
Just keep things the way they are now. Have Ambrose in a bunch of comedy skits showing him trekking to WrestleMania for some reason. Have Orton pin Rollins in the match of the night. In the main event, make Roman look ridiculously strong and deliver like 10 superman punches to Lesnar but still lose. The Beast is staggered but still formidable.
As Heyman grabs the mic to crow, cue Ambrose's arrival in some grand ostentatious fashion as the announcers don't know what to make of it. Ambrose grabs an empty seat in the front row, grabs some popcorn and appears enthused to partake in the grandeur that is WrestleMania. Heyman politely tells him that the show's over and that he missed everything. Ambrose replies with, "Oh I don't know about that and reaches into his popcorn bag and grabs a taser which he then chucks into the ring at a recovering Roman Reigns who then lunges with it at Brock and shocks him. Reigns gives a death stare to Heyman who trips over himself as he can't fall out of the ring fast enough. Ambrose grabs his chair, hops over the rail and proceeds to hit Dirty Deeds on Lesnar on top of the chair.
And then we hear Rollins' music play. Out he comes with J&J Security and his briefcase. While he's heading down to ringside, Lesnar begins to rise to his feet and blindly delivers a suplex to Ambrose and then another one to Reigns. Rollins dashes into the ring and hits a curbstomp while J&J detain an apoplectic Heyman. We get the Shield's triple power bomb on top of the chair at which point Rollins cashes in the briefcase, hits the Phoenix splash and we have a new world champion as Sierra-Hotel-India-Echo-Lima-Delta chimes in as the Shield theme plays to close Mania out.
Lesnar leaves. Rollins is champ. Reigns gets his main event. Orton is set up as the clear #1 contender. Everybody wins.
Its crazy that they spent a year and half building Roman through the Shield and in one night could have potentially ruined all that work. They seem so desperate to make him a star it makes me wonder if they have concerns about the immediate future of Cena. I think waiting a year or two on Reigns and then letting him be the one that takes out a heel Cena would have been a smarter decision.
Nameless
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Love Ambrose and like Reigns when he's not being force fed to me, but the only ex-Shield bro I buy as a legit maineventer right now is Rollins. Ambrose, and especially Roman haven't had the chance to shine at the top of the card consistently -- where as Seth has successfully 'carried the ball' as top heel for months, and is one of the few bright spots of the product week in and week out.
Reigns has done absolutely fuck all as a singles star. Zero notable feuds, no memorable matches, then he spent months on the shelf. Now I'm supposed to buy him waltzing into Mania and beating Brock? Even the Miz was more deserving of his WM ME spot. I honestly feel like Reigns should be battling Rusev or Barrett for a mid-card title going into Mania.
Reigns has done absolutely fuck all as a singles star. Zero notable feuds, no memorable matches, then he spent months on the shelf. Now I'm supposed to buy him waltzing into Mania and beating Brock? Even the Miz was more deserving of his WM ME spot. I honestly feel like Reigns should be battling Rusev or Barrett for a mid-card title going into Mania.
Jimmy King
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Let's all bask in that fact for a minute.
I don't care who it is. The blue dot gimmick needs to happen. It's too good to be put on the back burner.
It's reminding me of Cena's "Worst Year Ever" and his "redemption" at WM 29. They basically did none of the story whatsoever and even ignored it until after the Rumble, but then wanted to have the climax/conclusion of the story without doing anything prior.
Here they're pretending Reigns is Austin in 1998, all red hot with the crowd with a long buildup to him getting the top spot, and assuming just doing the crowning at WM part will work for some reason.
This lack of patience and desire for instant gratification. by Vince is almost like a stereotype of a
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I don't think the neither of those two deserve the main event spot at this point.
What have you guys been reading or playing lately?
I'm going through Castlevania: Lament of Innocence again. I know a lot of people dislike it, and rightfully so because it has numerous flaws, but I enjoy the music, mood, and how satisfying the whip action feels. Over 56 percent of the map completed. Should get that to at least 70 percent tonight. I have a 100 percent file on my memory card already, but it's been ages and I'm trying to do it without reading up anything on it.
Also reading Daredevil: Marvel Masterworks vol. 2. I'm on like issue 12 or something of the original run. Kind of fun though the overexposition gets in the way sometimes.
I'm going through Castlevania: Lament of Innocence again. I know a lot of people dislike it, and rightfully so because it has numerous flaws, but I enjoy the music, mood, and how satisfying the whip action feels. Over 56 percent of the map completed. Should get that to at least 70 percent tonight. I have a 100 percent file on my memory card already, but it's been ages and I'm trying to do it without reading up anything on it.
Also reading Daredevil: Marvel Masterworks vol. 2. I'm on like issue 12 or something of the original run. Kind of fun though the overexposition gets in the way sometimes.
I honestly think most Japanese fighters are getting so technical and creating such big skill gaps that it's hurting the online community of them ultimately. Going online in Marvel is a waste of time at this point because the higher level players have scared off all of the mid and low tier players. The same is happening with Street Fighter as well. Stuff like BlazBlue and Guilty Gear are niche fighters already so the only people playing those are the uber hardcore as well.
I just think the slightly lower ceiling of MK and Injustice create a different yet still interesting game to play and watch.
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I keep almost buying a He Hate Me jersey.
I actually agree with you based on Bryan's matches since returning. I say he gets back into ring shape in the next 3-4 months and you have him win the 2016 Rumble.
Power Stone should make a comeback. It was simply. It worked. Was fun.
i'm in my yearly "every game sucks" burnout...
I'm stuck at Solgryn in Boshy and I've played a bit of Dying Light, it's alright I guess
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You should follow through. XFL 4 Life
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Oh. Daredevil.
I never did elaborate on my hate list the other day. I hate Daredevil but I really loved the Fall of the Kingpin story. I still think Matt Murdock is bankrupt of all interest and drive. I have no feelings for him, therefore he sucks.
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If it's got "Road to..." in the title, just treat it as a house show - the only difference being Monday's show, which is from Korakuen Hall and will have commentary and be filmed with more than just a hard camera. That's the one they'll be using to hype up the New Beginning events, so it should be of a better standard. Also, Korakuen crowds are usually a step above other small venues (although today's crowd in Tokorozawa were louder than I expected).
Kacho
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Reigns would be perfect for an IC championship run right about now. Let him earn his stripes there before bumping him up. Shame that won't happen.
One bad match with Kane, and everybody think your bad.