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Jay Electronica ft. Jay Z - We Made It (Jay Z returns shots at Drake)
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Byakuya769
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I didn't take drakes problem being a collector of art, or even mentioning it in a song. The problem is "Warhol, Warhol, warhol!", "Basquiat, Basquiat, Basquiat!" That repetitious name dropping is mad corny.
PhoenixDark
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Exactly. It doesn't feel sincere, even if he allegedly is into art. Same with the Tom Ford shit.
I think Drake said something that a lot of people were thinking at the time. MCHG is full of those lines, and it feels more like Jay struggling to come up with shit to say than any type of actual interest.
CountBlack
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^ There's sucking up then there's... that.
Wale did it best
Wale did it best
It's kind of a shame this has associated beef because I thought some of the imagery and content in the song was dope. the 5%er shit, black power, the hustle from nothing, etc. And they both dropped good verses. It's kinda rare that 'diss' tracks are ever actually good listens.
spindashing
Banned
Sorry Mrs. Drizzy cause so much art I talk/
Silly me rapping bout shit I really bought/
While these rappers rap about guns they aint shot/
and a bunch of other shit that they aint got
Whelp, there it is. I don't even really like Jay Z but he is right about this one. Plenty of 'artists' stay rapping about jewels they borrowed, cars they leased, hardships they never endured, and guns they have never shot in videos filmed in front of houses they don't fucking own.
Running around bitching about a man pushing 50 having interest in art just makes you look like a damned fool, but thats nothing new I suppose. Reminds me of that Chris Rock skit.
Sure Ill give you that, but you are dodging the issue. Making better music than Jay right now doesn't make that dumbass statement he made about art any less fucking stupid. You are sort of sidestepping that, or pretending he is right just because he makes better music right now, which makes no sense.
That was the best Jay-Z verse in ages. Funny that a Drake shot was on it though, but hey, I'm with it. As if Drake hasn't been clowned enough, now his hero dropped that little dig at him.
I haven't even seen this so who knows how much more ammo related to Jay alone is out there for Jay-Z to use if Drake ever made it into a big deal.
Can't wait for the new Summer Jam screen
I haven't even seen this so who knows how much more ammo related to Jay alone is out there for Jay-Z to use if Drake ever made it into a big deal.
It's a dope verse. It's not some shibbity riggiggity liggity shit, but Jay rarely chooses to rap like that. It's worth celebrating because it's funny to see Aubrey get clowned a little by one of his idols and flows nicely in concept from Jay talking about how his hustle is real, to overcoming slavery and the 5% godbody shit.
Vicetrailia
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Jay z likes art for investment and superficial reasons (status). But lets be honest, he's not interested in art or its history.
Can't wait for the new Summer Jam screen
this shit was so cringe worthy
uggggh
it's more of trying to bite/ live vicariously through Kanye's "persona"
So does I assume a lot of his friends nothing wrong with it. The only difference is jay can inflate the price through his songs something his friends can't.
Nah, that dude is right. Jay cares about art for status and aesthetic reasons. He was rapping about Basquiat in that grammy family freestyle right after he was going to bounce back from retirement in 06. There are references to painting on quite a few of his previous albums (Vol 1, BP2, etc). He even pretty much told you why he cops:
Vacate, hey wait, a week or more
First class to and fro, freakin off
Got to have things locked, champagne popped
Cruise around the world 'til the damn thing stop
Cop Rembrandt, hang 'em, pay the lot
Can't complain, we ballin, true or not ma?
I Know What Girls Like, 1997
PhoenixDark
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Odds on Drake responding on wax - be it directly or indirectly? I'll put them at 10%, at best. I'd imagine he has left at least 3 messages on Jay's phone today.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Gafhop has terrible taste. I wish ken masters would make a separate hip hop thread for everyone who doesn't frequent gafhop
oooh a rift in the community? how intriguing.
This hostility is really bizarre and childish. Dude doesn't owe you shit and can release music at whatever pace he wants.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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Then we never woulda got American gangster or watch the throne
I liked Kingdom come, fuck yall
nah he truly was a godly mc for quite some time even though all his albums except RD and then BP and BA were very inconsistent (that's why I always thought it's hilarious that he of all people called out Nas for a shitty discography when IWW is probably better than everything Jay has released at that time except RD and maybe BP)
KC was an album that could have been a lot better than it was basically. Jay was trying to do a grown man rap album (stuff like Lost One, Beach Chari) and attempting a little social commentary with stuff like Minority Report but his execution was off/rusty. Lowkey, that album is why he doesn't try and branch out lyrically in terms of subject matter, because he sees it as a failure, and it definitely was. After ~track 5 it dips off into some terrible shit.
My man. Couldn't agree more.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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This is pretty spot on. I took a couple tracks off and into the giant rap playlist and they've lived there since. The lows are just so low that people can't look past them
Yea its actually a pretty good Jay verse, now that I've listened to it a few times. The Islam reference is very nice. And I honestly don't think alot of us hip hop heads "hate" on him, its just we're tired of the corniness coming from someone who was so great. And be honest, he didnt say much on WtT and MCHG. But, at his point in life, what else should he /does he have to say?
I don't know if I would call him "godly". Of course I grew up during the times of Rakim, Ice Cube, Biggie, etc all in their prime so my view might slanted a little.
Also I think I would be ok without American Gangsta and Watch The Throne (All though I do like American Gangsta)
Actually quite a bit, if he's willing to risk the potential consequences. Of the three king rap moguls he's the only one really still making music. He can talk about black ownership/entrepreneurship like nobody else really can. He can talk about 5% godbody pride shit like he intimated on this, Devil Is a Lie, Oceans, and Heaven. He can become the first commercial artist in rap to openly embrace his (quite clear) agnosticism/atheism. The last one is really the most crazy buzzworthy thing he could do.
The question is is he willing? And will he really put more effort into writing and rapping with the enthusiasm he should have?
PhoenixDark
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Or maybe it's because Jay isn't a good lyricist with respect to introspection or story telling. I know you're Jay's official PR spokesman but let's be real for a second. KC has some interesting concepts, I like Beach Chair a lot in fact, but overall its failure has nothing to do with Jay being "rusty." Someone of that caliber doesn't fall off after a few months, and we already know he was doing lowkey (unreleased) verses during his retirement anyway. The album fails because Jay can't move beyond brag rap and hustler shit.
He's really witty, has a great flow etc...but lyrically he hasn't really gone HAM much since Reasonable Doubt. He's been on cruise control for decades, but even on cruise control he was miles ahead of a lot of dudes. But once you analyze his shit you really recognize he's someone who doesn't have much to say.
computers putin'
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It's hilarious to see Migos get jacked for their flow so much.
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Easbound & Down sample was the best part.
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I don't disagree with you on Jay's social commentary etc. He's never been good at it, or extensively rapping about things not related to himself. I think Jay has told pretty good stories from time to time though; Regrets, Lucifer, Friend or Foe, December 4th, You Must Love Me, etc etc. He's not the best at it at he doesn't do it much, but he can clearly do it.
Regarding rustiness... A couple of verses does not compare to his creative workrate before that. Dude released an album a year from 1996-2003 on top of features, crossover work etc. Going from full time rapping whenever there's a mic in front of you to some in and out work is not comparable.
This.
abstract alien
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Really weak, regurgitated diss on an otherwise tight track. Should have left it out.
Its fine because there are thousands of other MC's trying to make a way in the world, and his ass has things on a silver platter, and he doesn't give a fuck. Laaaazy is the kindest word. Badu has been right about him all along!
PhoenixDark
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But he doesn't sound rusty at all on KC. If anything he sounds out of touch with the production, a trend that he's had since "retiring."
Ken Masters
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Jay diss: I got more money then you
Corny, basically what Drake was saying about him. Jay's last album was completely forgettable and came and went fast, only highlight of that album was fuckwithmeyouknowigotit, which was basically a Rick Ross track. He's only relevant today because of Kanye
Corny, basically what Drake was saying about him. Jay's last album was completely forgettable and came and went fast, only highlight of that album was fuckwithmeyouknowigotit, which was basically a Rick Ross track. He's only relevant today because of Kanye
??? you saying Jay picks bad beats? Or he doesn't work well over them on KC and other projects? I can agree somewhat with the latter, because he clearly isnt working as well as he should on some of the spazzier shit on Magna Carta and his greatest talent as a rapper is to make it work over a variety of production.
Kingdom Come has sporadic beat choices. I think some of them are awesome, and some of them are terrible. It doesn't feel like he was trying hard on KC with the flow at all to me.
And how many hundreds of rhymes have been written about it?
bobbychalkers
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4 tracks in, I was about to declare Kingdom Come as a classic.
Me too. It's like a barbershop or studio session where everybody has an opinion that's fact.
Ken Masters
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