I have no problem with your Drake obsession, but hating on an album because of wealth being a central topic? Really? What's All Me, We Made It, and a lot of Drake's songs about?
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Jay Electronica ft. Jay Z - We Made It (Jay Z returns shots at Drake)
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I have no problem with your Drake obsession, but hating on an album because of wealth being a central topic? Really? What's All Me, We Made It, and a lot of Drake's songs about?
Nahhhhh.
Ross was neck and neck with him on 3 Kings and Fuckwithmeyougotit, that's it. Devil is a Lie verse from Jay is nuts.
Ken Masters
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Yes Ross bodied Jay. What you guys fail to realize is that in rap flowing over a beat, charisma and overall mic presence means just as much as lyrics. Jay came correct lyrically on the track but didn't know how to ride the beat like Ross did, came off as forced, just like Jay was just corny on fuckwithmeyouknowigotit and that track was only a hit because of Ross
Are you fucking kidding me? Are you implying Jay didn't flow over it or have presence? Jay spazzed on that shit, the most memorable line in that song is "The devil tried to hit me with the RICO, the black people!" and rightfully so because it rode the beat so hard. The song comes alive when Jay gets on because Ross is just serving you what he does on every track.
Also SMH at you downplaying his lyrical ability while acknowledging at the same time. Calling it a body is disingenuous as fuck when even you say he went in lyrically.
Another person angry that Jay Electronica refuses to release new music on a consistent basis? Just because his catalog of new/recent/unheard music is minuscule doesn't negate the fact that the music that is available is worthy of checking out.
I'm not one of those lyrics over everything type dudes at all, so..
Jay was perfectly on with Devil is a Lie. Not only did he drop a lyrically dope verse, he used the beat's pauses and breakdowns to alternate slower and faster verses, raised and lowered volume on his verse to punctuate bars, just a dope verse period.
PhoenixDark
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Nah he doesn't work well over a lot of the beats. Personally I thought Show Me What You Got was vintage Jay, I enjoyed it. But the album also has some of the worst beats Jay had rapped over (at that point).
Ken Masters
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You once again fail to understand the importance of mic presence and how to ride a beat. Me mentioning Jays lyrics on the track was just to give him some credit, but he still didn't know how to ride the beat, period
AyaisMUsikWhore
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Ken Masters
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Deluisional... I swear. And I don't even listen to rap like that...
Lol, okay then
We can argue about Biggie (one classic is imho not enough to convince me but that was hardly his fault) and Rakim (tbh that was before my time) but imho at his best he was far superior to Cube. But as always it comes down to personal preference.
Wouldn't we all. American Gangsta was good (even great to all the trash he released afterwards) WTT mediocre at best. Basically dude made 2 classics and one great album, the rest ranges from horrific (BP2/Magna Carta) to mediocre (Vol 2./KC) to good but not great (Vol 1./AG).
You gotta give him credit for inspiring a lot of young artists though.
A wild Hip Hop Hipster appears.
So flow doesn't count in riding a beat, and isn't the most important part about it?
Let's be clear, do you think flow matters less than mic presence and that Jay didn't have any on that track? Because at least you can tangibly argue whether someone was flowing or not, and not use mic presence as an argumentative crutch, especially when we're talking about motherfucking Jay Z, who makes his presence known on a tracklist before you even hear a song and has one of the most iconic voices in rap period. Silly crutch for a flimsy hyperbolic argument.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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You don't need to religiously listen to rap to understand what flow is. You obviously don't know what that is lol.
Jay didn't say "While you rap about guns that you ain't got" though, so he may not be talking about Drake with the follow up lines vs saying how is Drake going to question him for rapping about art which he actually owns, and not question these other rappers rapping about imaginary stuff. But I'm sure he'll have enough interviews over these lyrics to clarify later.
I mean either way, you said Ross bodied Hov on that track. Come on.
Bob Dobalina
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He rides the beat on Devil is a Lie better than nearly every song on that album and honestly any verse of his in recent memory for me. I have no idea what Ken Masters is talking about unless he's trolling.Jay-Z's flow on MCHG though...
Some people aren't beat zombies.
Grover Cleveland
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Drake sent in the spin doctor Ken Masters to distort the message.
Jay was fine on Devil is A Lie
Jay was fine on Devil is A Lie
Watch The Throne has aged pretty well, IMO. It's a solid collection of songs, it's just mostly disappointing because it isn't cohesive and not the braver album Kanye wanted to make before Jay demanded more hits out of it. The ambition seeped away from it a bit.
MCHG is just disappointing, way too many instances of just cringeworthy raps from Jay.
Ken Masters
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It's hard to say which matters most, depends on the track. You bringing up the hype Jay brings to a track just because of his name shows you don't know what mic presence means as pre song hype is irrelevant once the music starts. He has an iconic voice, but on this particular track he came off as weak, probably because the beat didn't suite someone like him and his flow wasn't tight on it, several factors involved at play here.
You probably have a limited scope on hip hop music so I don't hold any of this against you if you don't get it
This! Pound Cake! And Light up! How could drake be so stupid and take shots at Hov?
AyaisMUsikWhore
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No. I don't listen to rap now because it was amazing in the Golden Ages (1989-2001). Now it's a shit fest of wannabes trying to make a quick buck off some basement basic trap beat. I'm born in 92' so I know people like Rakim, Biggie (Brooklyn bred of course), Tupac, Cube, Shug, Junior Mafia, Nas, Jay, DMX, Easy E, Snoop, common, Q-tip, Busta, Method Man and Wu-tang, Beasty Boys, Run Dmc etc etc etc.
Back then beats were creative, mixed with old school 80's sound that made rap unique. Back then every different region (hood) had a distinct sound which made things so much more interesting.
Now it's just... Ugh, so cheap and disposable. It's all just recycled beats, recycled bars, just a different topic of the week. I just can't keep up with it and to see who the new faces of rap are, it just feels wrong. I don't want to diss all rap out there because I'm sure there are a few that do make the difference but as far as I'm concerned, rap has gone to another platform where anyone can make a hit and get famous. People like Keif Chief and Little B, Riff Raff, Waka Flaka etc etc etc.. Should never be famous like at all.
I see where you coming from but you just have to look closer, for every Migos there's a Shad.
I absolutely agree with the bolded, I really miss those days where every region had it's own sound.
It's pretty easy to discredit rap when you name a bunch of people who clearly aren't up to snuff.
Also you were born in 92. I was born in 86. You make that sound like you are an oldhead or something.
The "there are no good rap artists in this era" argument is old and tired. There a bunch and with more exposure due to the internet and mixtapes.
-MD-
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You must not be keeping up with Lu lately.
CountBlack
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Ken Masters
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I'm saying that was a big fail. What an underhanded way to end a pretty half-assed response. A response that you yourself seemed unsure about. Starting the response with "It's hard to say". Well then clearly your argument is weak at best.
If you are going to try and sweep enzo under the rug you gotta do better.
Ken Masters
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When someone is talking about mic presence and mentions pre track buzz, all is revealed about said persons knowledge on what mic presence is, now proceed to spam more Drake gifs
You are right you are doing enough "spamming" in this thread for the both of us. I'll let you carry on. I gave you an answer to your question. Sorry the gifs were too hard for you to comprehend ( Am I doing the passive aggressive posting correctly Ken?)
Mic presence and charisma are subjective though. You're a Ross and Drake stan in a thread about Jay taking shots at Drake arguing about whether Jay outrapped Ross on one of his tracks. How are you going to try and front your opinion as objective?
You didn't even try and phrase it as 'i think Ross outrapped Jay', you said he got bodied too which isn't even close to being neutral.
Ken Masters
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Spam pointless Drake gifs with no text or context and claim to be above it all, classy. The best part, the one spam gif wasn't enough for you, you had to go back and add another gif haha
victreeb3l
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Ken Masters can you get me backstage tickets to OVO fest?
Wow. WOW. Man go back to Youtube with comments like that. Sheer ignorance right there.
lol
I initially read that as I started listening in 92... I got one year on you. You did not grow up in the golden age, even if it was on in the background you couldn't be conscious of the greatness of their music at most 9 years old. The golden age has its fair share of wack artists Vanilla Ice, Hammer, Kriss Kross, Marky Mark and probably more though I'm not from that era.You just refuse to give the new artists a chance because you got a gold mine available to you cultivated over decades. Dope music is still being made by the likes of Kendrick, Gibbs, KA, Cunninlynguists and many others. There is so much diversity in hiphop and it is foolish to taint the entire genre with the trap brush which incidentally has variations itself.
Facts. If you can't find something to enjoy in the genre today you haven't tried, point blank.
AyaisMUsikWhore
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I acknowledged this. As I said, I'm sure there are more people who make the difference but it's hard to get back into something when all I'm ever going to hear is the bullshit. For me, the rap I use to love was the mainstream hot shit. Now, I got to go to datpiff just to find them. I'm not knocking the good rappers out there but it sucks that it has to be like that.
Edit: Also, maybe It was kind of false for me to say all instead if some But I feel its different. If it is, as others have said, well good for you. I like some new age rappers but not enough to hop on the hype train again.
This reads like you just made a bunch of excuses to not listen to brand new, good hip hop. If you help, we are open to giving suggestions if you care enough.
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