Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
That was also when they had a much stronger position in the market. They don't even have 50 million xbones sold officially.
Jeff Grub says Xbox Live Gold and paying to play online is going away soon
- Thread starter Bernkastel
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That was also when they had a much stronger position in the market. They don't even have 50 million xbones sold officially.
Slings and Arrows
Banned
Not exactly a surprise. I said this yonks ago
Gold becomes silver (free)
Gamepass becomes Gold
Gold becomes silver (free)
Gamepass becomes Gold
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Joke post?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
I do have crow to eat if this actually happens.
It's essentially free money to the tune of what, a billion a year for xbox?
It's essentially free money to the tune of what, a billion a year for xbox?
Nikana
Go Go Neo Rangers!
Not for people who don't like headphone jacks.
soulbait
Member
My theory on what is going to happen:
- You will no longer need to pay to play online
- Those who currently ave Xbox Live Gold accounts, they will automatically be transferred to Game Pass standard accounts
- They will push Game Pass Ultimate for users to get PC games and xCloud access
Dr Bass
Member
splattered
Member
He was telling Nibel to delete his tweet, not grubb... if you keep looking through the twitter feed it's kind of amusing to watch it play out.
THEAP99
Banned
Interesting if true. Hopefully Sony follows or else they have a small hill to climb.
i really don't know if Sony will follow. PS Plus is a huge moneymaker for them.
If they ditch ps plus, I think they're going to have to double down on PS Now and start day and date. More pc ports as well.
i really don't know if Sony will follow. PS Plus is a huge moneymaker for them.
If they ditch ps plus, I think they're going to have to double down on PS Now and start day and date. More pc ports as well.
StreetsofBeige
Member
You never know. As some people have guessed, maybe Gold is free as GP is the new Gold.
Maybe that's why MS didn't care about people doing $1 GPU upgrades the past year.
Maybe that's why MS didn't care about people doing $1 GPU upgrades the past year.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Gold deals will probably become part of Game Pass Ultimate.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Yes, Xbox Live Gold will go away. You will no longer need to buy it to play online.
Instead, you'll have to buy GamePass or GamePass Ultimate.
Instead, you'll have to buy GamePass or GamePass Ultimate.
Goalus
Member
You sound like you don't want it to be true.
Why is that, I wonder.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Not happening. They will never force a more expensive sub, no matter how much you hope for it.
StreetsofBeige
Member
Gold = Free. No more GwG
GP = $60 annual + GwG
GPU = $120 annual + GwG
GP = $60 annual + GwG
GPU = $120 annual + GwG
SilentUser
Member
Would love to see online play going free, perhaps that would force Sony to allow online play to be free again.
SportsFan581
Member
When they initiated the "Home Gold" concept the number of subscribers probably went down quite a bit. On 360 if you had a few different profiles that played online, everyone needed a separate Gold subscription. With them blending Xbox and PC more and more, it is a bit unfair that console players still have the charge. I'll believe it only when I see it though, MS likes that recurring revenue.
The need for GwG diminishes with the GP subs, you've got the GP games. I would hope if they eliminate Gold they would allow the GwG games to remain in your library.
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Vawn
Banned
As long as no more RROD.
Vawn
Banned
In Nintendo's defense, their online is TOP tier.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
GamePass is $10 a month like Live. GPU is the more expensive one.
Not sure why I "hope for it"?
Dr Bass
Member
Gotcha, didn't bother going through it all.
StreetsofBeige
Member
Ya. Just add those GwG games to the monthly GP additions.The need for GwG diminishes with the GP subs, you've got the GP games. I would hope if they eliminate Gold they would allow the GwG games to remain in your library.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Flintty
Member
It's easier to get casuals to pay for a gaming 'Netflix' than it is to get them to pay for online play. Kinda makes me feel this was the endgame with the introduction of Gamepass.
People stay subbed to Netflix even if they go a month without watching anything - it's a monthly utility bill at this point. The same could happen with Gamepass if the value is there.
People stay subbed to Netflix even if they go a month without watching anything - it's a monthly utility bill at this point. The same could happen with Gamepass if the value is there.
Hero_Select
Member
You WANT to pay money?
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Serious post. I don't have a problem with what I get for $50. I just wish Sony would put more PSVR games in their monthly game downloads.
Yes! When I like something it makes sense to assume I'll have to pay for it. I do it with everything else in life.
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Vawn
Banned
The only difference is PC support? $120 a year is a lot, but better than $180.
HoodWinked
Member
Ya looks like they're just trying to have parity with playstation plus, which has free online for F2P games and some other exceptions.
Xbox Gold is required even for games like fortnite, apex
But at the same time trying to clean up/consolidate some of the subscriptions because they have Gold and Gamepass which is likely causing consumer confusion but they still don't want to eliminate Gold because it's a large revenue source.
Xbox Gold is required even for games like fortnite, apex
But at the same time trying to clean up/consolidate some of the subscriptions because they have Gold and Gamepass which is likely causing consumer confusion but they still don't want to eliminate Gold because it's a large revenue source.
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Bumblebeetuna
Member
xCloud is also only in GPU unless I am mistaken.
SportsFan581
Member
Currently, Gold is bundled with GPU. If any of this were true, they would be removing that and finding another perk for GPU (Xcloud?).
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Gold deals will probably be merged with GPU.
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itsjustJEFF
Member
I mean, this is the step they kind have to take to make sure Xbox works across every single device, but, and it's a big BUTT... Xbox Live Gold has a membership of 90 Million. That is 90 Million @ $60 a year, that just poof disappears. GamePass has 10 Million but it does not cover that 90 Million subscriptions deficit. That's A LOT of $$$, that's gotta be XBox's biggest revenue source.
I think realistically Xbox Live Gold will no longer be needed for Online Play, YAY!!!!, and Live Gold and GamePass gets merged in some way.
I think realistically Xbox Live Gold will no longer be needed for Online Play, YAY!!!!, and Live Gold and GamePass gets merged in some way.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Thats Xbox Live users, not Gold. They never revealed Gold members, but Brad Sams estimated it to be 10 million.
Vawn
Banned
Yeah, I don't care about streaming, so that's fine.
itsjustJEFF
Member
Okay, I thought that was a VERY BIG number
My google search was not very accurate. But, just 10 Million?!?! That has to be a conservative estimate right? I would imagine it would be much more than that, but that's just a guess on my part. Lets say it is 10 Million @ $60, that still at least $600 Million That's a lot of money to just leave. I stick by my "guess" that online play becomes free and that Gold gets merged with GamePass in some way.
SportsFan581
Member
Okay, I thought that was a VERY BIG number
If online play is free, what is left of Gold? The monthly games and discounts? Can't see too many sticking around for just that, especially since GP users already have games. Deals with gold could very easily become deals with GP.
Paying to play online is the reason I switched from console to PC. I ended up paying like $130 just to play FIFA with my buds and thought, if I'm blowing my dollars, may as well put the money to something that enhances my gaming experience. Now I'd never go back to console but more so for the frames and obsession I have with PC hardware. I gamed on console since NES though, lined up to get a PS4 on launch day and have only touched it twice since 2015 to play GOW and Spiderman.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Said this in the other thread too, but it just makes the most sense for their strategy going forward. With Xbox Live Gold you get: 4 free games per month (two Xbox One games, two BC games), online multiplayer, and weekly store discounts. The four free games each month is almost in direct competition with Game Pass - the longer you're subscribed, the bigger your library gets and the less reason you have to want to subscribe to Game Pass. Additionally, when the Series X releases, people are going to start clamoring for "free" Series X games on the program and Microsoft would rather you just subscribe to Game Pass to get those.
So they ditch the Games With Gold program (and give everyone who used it permanent access to those games) and remove the online paywall requirement. The "extra" discounts are silly and you just give those to everyone - it's up to the publishers anyway to set those. Going forward, you make your next-gen console look like an incredible value compared to the competition and for those that want a subscription you have one that offers an instant library of hundreds of games.
So they ditch the Games With Gold program (and give everyone who used it permanent access to those games) and remove the online paywall requirement. The "extra" discounts are silly and you just give those to everyone - it's up to the publishers anyway to set those. Going forward, you make your next-gen console look like an incredible value compared to the competition and for those that want a subscription you have one that offers an instant library of hundreds of games.
DeeDogg_
Banned
Sure...lmao
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Cloud saves are actually already free on Xbox. Even non-Gold users have access to this feature already. This isn't true for Sony or Nintendo though.
itsjustJEFF
Member
GamePass will be the new thing that they are betting will keep members there. They'll merge the two some how. It's always a risk, when you make moves, that some will leave. But I'm certain that they have a number of projections that they've drawn up. They have plans for each potential outcome.
CuteFaceJay
Member
Sounds like someone jumped a head too far. A lot of confusion in this thread and I'm lost af.
Bernkastel
Ask me about my fanboy energy!
And a lot of that money goes to paying for those free games.Okay, I thought that was a VERY BIG number