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[StueyDuck]

Once again: too many cooks. In. The. Fucking. Kitchen.

Design by committee doesn’t fucking work the vast majority of the time. This is why you have a game director to keep the team(s) focused on scope and vision.

But now we have consultants

Absolutely...

It's literally the lesson all management profs teach in the first week of uni. The classic, here's a simple task. Now we add one person to speed up process, then eventually there's so many people that the process slows down. (Example stacking paper, stapling them, filing them)


Buuuuuut I also think alot of issues with modern development comes from "professionals" and not the passionate... a bunch of staff that will most likely say "eugh, back to work today".

Where you take a project like Id and doom, it was a room full of guys who wanted nothing else than to make the best most entertaining product possible. Maybe that meant sleeping at the office or working late hours, their goal was to just make something perfect... and they did.

 

[Soodanim]

I'd like to remind GAF that this exists and will likely remain the definitive PD experience for the foreseeable future.

GitHub - fgsfdsfgs/perfect_dark: work in progress port of n64decomp/perfect_dark to modern platforms

work in progress port of n64decomp/perfect_dark to modern platforms - fgsfdsfgs/perfect_dark

github.com

 

[Oddvintagechap]

Step 1, make the first ever AAAA studio. Step 2, announce what they're going to make before they make anything. Step 3, realize they suck at making games. Step 4, bring in a veteran studio to help. Step 5, realize that the AAAA studio is so bad at making games that even the veteran studio can't help.

Seriously how do you fuck up Perfect Dark? And they did that once already.

shoulda just remade it and called it a day. then release a sequel with that engine.

 

[Buggy Loop]

"It sounds like they don't even know if that's what they want to do with that"

Is it a fucking debate to use a franchise that was an FPS to do an FPS? AFTER ALL THIS TIME?

FFS

Satya Nadella, look, I'm just an electrical engineer, I have no gaming experiences, I still feel like I can better manage your xbox division than the fucking clowns you have. Hire me, PM box open.

 

[balls of snow]

No shit.

 

[Punished Miku]

Absolutely...

It's literally the lesson all management profs teach in the first week of uni. The classic, here's a simple task. Now we add one person to speed up process, then eventually there's so many people that the process slows down. (Example stacking paper, stapling them, filing them)


Buuuuuut I also think alot of issues with modern development comes from "professionals" and not the passionate... a bunch of staff that will most likely say "eugh, back to work today".

Where you take a project like Id and doom, it was a room full of guys who wanted nothing else than to make the best most entertaining product possible. Maybe that meant sleeping at the office or working late hours, their goal was to just make something perfect... and they did.

Indie games.

 

[F0rneus]

All those years since the announcement...and they don't have a camera decided. Imagine the rest.

Good fucking lord what the fuck is MS doing with these projects? What are they telling their devs? Fucking years of development. They have nothing and don't even know if it'll be first person. This isn't development hell. This is...they did fuck all!

 

[bitbydeath]

 

[LordCBH]

Have they even decided if Joanna Dark is allowed to be attractive, or even a woman at this point? They might make her trans

Joanna Dark’s pronouns are Deer/Deerself you fucking BIGOT

 

[OmegaSupreme]

The hits keep on coming today for MS. How glorious.

 

[Kacho]

How could this be? The boss was having so much fun 4 years ago

The weird dude next to Phil left to work at Insomniac lol

 

[Oppoi]

You get what you deserve. Get nae-nae'd!

 

[THE DUCK]

At this point Sony doesn't have to release any more games, they can just sit back and have "interested" third parties point to Xbox rumors that may be damaging. (if they are true or not doesn't matter)

 

[digoutyoursoul]

If this is true, I’m sorry Matt Booty needs to go. Enough is enough.

 

[Ozzie666]

It's funny. As a late N64 generation title, Perfect Dark was a good game. However, imagine if the game launched in the same state in 2024. Poor frame rates, expansion required for several features and modes. The game really chugged, how did we put up with it then and not complain?

 

[Varteras]

The Initiative is likely one of the next casualties. Closed or consolidated into an existing team that has a successful franchise.

 

[Cert.in.Death]

The Initiative and MS’ first party expansion has proven hollow and token.

For a software company, MS is awful when it comes to artistry. Most of their successes were through acquisitions and/or contracted partners.

 

[Jinzo Prime]

So what do these people do when they go to work every day? How is it possible to work on something for four years and not know if it is a tps or a fps?

 

[ZehDon]

and some people are still in denial. let that sink in

If I'm going to being living in your head rent free, can you at least clean up the shit in the corner?

 

[Dr. Suchong]

Crystal Dynamics messing up again? Shocking news.

Should of stuck with Gex

 

[reinking]

At this point Sony doesn't have to release any more games, they can just sit back and have "interested" third parties point to Xbox rumors that may be damaging. (if they are true or not doesn't matter)

 

[Red Crayon Aristocrat]

Just cancel it, nobody wants shaved head on the side Joanna, nobody wants that shit.

To say it's played out is an understatement, you always knew exactly what this was going to be and it's not interesting.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

If I'm going to being living in your head rent free, can you at least clean up the shit in the corner?

nope . i was looking for other quotes:

I think there are like 10 or 12 games that we know Xbox is working on. Only 2 (Fable and Project Dark) have this massive 'AAAA' level of production and expectations. The issue is: We know Project Dark has had a troubled development as well as some rumors for Fable too (engine issues, inexperienced studio at the RPG genre). Is Gears going to be a soft reboot like GoW 2018. That IP has become stale....Right here...this is Xbox's entire generation.

and I dunno why, but I have this feeling that a couple of those games (Contraband and Project dark come to mind) could get canceled.


Right now Xbox´s future is crystal clear to me. After the next 4 years Xbox is going to consolidate internally and just follow the Minecraft model. yeah sure, they will make a new game here and there, but that's it.

I'm just gonna say something.....

Every single talking point from the Xbros "pundits"/Executives has been a complete joke...and they deserve to suffer ridicule. This amount of severe butthurtiness it´s just the cherry on top.

1. Game Pass/Ecosystem = Actually increases sales, Viral Marketing, Incredible Growth. Reality: Nadella drops GP's growth for compensation after missing projections and there is no irrefutable evidence of all those benefits are true.
2. Full RDNA 2/More Powererful/Better Raytracing Capabilities = What can i say?.....Tools are not ready.
3. Two SKUs Strategy = Masterful plan to capture the low-entry consumer and the enthusiast, leading to more sales and market leadership. Reality: Xbox series sales are worse than ever and Series S has become a pain in the ass for devs.
4. "You just wait until next E3/Year" = They have always made this absurd list of a bunch of games... and NEVER pan out.
5. Scores dosent matter, Awards are fake = BUT MS is 2021 Metacitic´s Publisher of the year. And oh boy, how they used that award as the truth handled by God himself to all humanity. Cut to: 2022... I dont need to say anything.
6. 'Arkane Never Misses'/ 'Starfield is the most important RPG of the last 10 years... and yes, it's exclusive.' We all know what happened in the first case. The funny thing about the second remark is that it can be applied to Baldur's Gate 3... even the exclusive bit... thanks to Series S of all things.
7. ABK acquisition: Now sony needs to compete, once the acquisition closes a bunch of Activision-Blizzard games are going to drop on Game Pass. Including CoD and Diablo IV. Reality:
8."We want gamers to play everywhere"= if you know, you know
8. 'Xbox Tax' = If it is an Xbox game, it is going to receive more negativity, criticisms, and lower scores.

These people are thisrty for validation, they want that juicy 90+MC AND the Dorito´s Pope GOTY award, but the fact of the matter is that MS has failed to produce games of such quality and significance....However, it's never Microsoft's fault though; it's always someone else's. And that lack of self awarness, even when Phil is coming out and saying "It´s on us to deliver games at quality"; these people keep shifting the blame.

Right now, Microsoft has three games that should accomplish the dream: Project Dark, Fable, and Hellblade 2. Ask yourselves, based in MS´s track record and Industry previuos examples of similar circustances of projects. What are the odds of MS achiving THE Dream?....Yep... What I am saying is that these people are going to keep complaining and taking L after L from their so-called "analyses and industry predictions".

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

I'm very pro-developer, but it is pretty wild an entire studio can be paid for the past 4 years and they still have not decided whether it is a 1st or 3rd person game

It's probably a mix between the two. Grubb is probably putting a little english on what he's heard.

 

[GHG]

Jesus how hard is it to create a cool spy based first person shooter in a dystopian future ?

Its not like they are reinventing the wheel here

All they have to do is ask Ybarra and then it's a simple case of making a biographical game based on his recent experiences.

 

[Kacho]

Initially I was concerned about how woke the game was going to be.

Now I’m concerned it’ll never see the light of day.

What a twist.

 

[Mr Hyde]

How could this be? The boss was having so much fun 4 years ago

Phil - "Is this first person or third person?"

Darrell - "I don't know."

 

[TintoConCasera]

It's funny. As a late N64 generation title, Perfect Dark was a good game. However, imagine if the game launched in the same state in 2024. Poor frame rates, expansion required for several features and modes. The game really chugged, how did we put up with it then and not complain?

Probably a mix of not knowing any better + the game being pretty good.

Also, the game was designed with the slowdowns in mind. Enemy reaction times were long enough to compensate, and their animations were also pretty long.

Go ahead and emulate it at 60fps. The game becomes much easier.

 

[mayham2199]

So what do these people do when they go to work every day? How is it possible to work on something for four years and not know if it is a tps or a fps?

lol seriously that alone kind of makes me doubt this report.

 

[Dorfdad]

Why do people feel they need to re-invent the wheel? Just make a faithful remaster and it will sell gangbusters. Any changes and tweaks to the game will probably result in bad experience.

 

[rkofan87]

its dead jim.

 

[MALpractice311]

A Microsoft owned developer and IP is in trouble? SHOCKING! It's almost like MS knows nothing about creativity.

 

[DarthPutin]

I still kind of can't get over the idea that "The Initiative" is supposed to be some super AAAA studio which exist for brainstorming and innovative ideas, not some lame act of making games, which is outsourced to non-MS owned studio. And their exciting revelation of a pitch is... "produce a sequel to an old IP".

Maybe I'm misunderstanding something, but seems like MS could have saved a lot of money by browsing forums AND buying Crystal Dynamics.

 

[violence]

They just need some diversity hires and they will be fine.

 

[bitbydeath]

At this point Sony doesn't have to release any more games, they can just sit back and have "interested" third parties point to Xbox rumors that may be damaging. (if they are true or not doesn't matter)

~Sony… probably

 

[Thief1987]

How could this be? The boss was having so much fun 4 years ago

What he played that time, when they not even decided camera view four years later?

 

[thismeinteil]

Xbox kinda reminds me of Disney with Star Wars. I mean they keep announcing projects left and right to get fans excited, only for them to flounder behind the scenes and be quietly cancelled.

 

[Pancakes and Sausage]

I hope this is Grubb bullshit and not true.

Seriously Microsoft this can’t be true

 

[Men_in_Boxes]

Why do people feel they need to re-invent the wheel? Just make a faithful remaster and it will sell gangbusters. Any changes and tweaks to the game will probably result in bad experience.

Progress is waaaaay more interesting. Leave the past in the past.

 

[drganon]

 

[recursive]

Step 1, make the first ever AAAA studio. Step 2, announce what they're going to make before they make anything. Step 3, realize they suck at making games. Step 4, bring in a veteran studio to help. Step 5, realize that the AAAA studio is so bad at making games that even the veteran studio can't help.

Seriously how do you fuck up Perfect Dark? And they did that once already.

Easy answer is DEI. It infects all corporations thanks to ESG Blackrock investments. I have witnessed it firsthand multiple times. If you want to prevent this shit resist progressive politics that embrace and support this shit.

 

[Shin-Ra]

When is Perfect Dark not in a rough state.

Turn off the high res (4MB expansion Pak) mode
Go into maximum widescreen/letterboxing mode
Don’t look at too many lens flares at once

 

[Killjoy-NL]

I've got an idea rather than dissolving your teams, how about you fire the fucking idiots that are supposed to be managing them? What a shit show.

Start with Phil and work your way down.

Like it would change anything. The same thing was said with Mattrick.

 

[Bry0]

The Initiative and MS’ first party expansion has proven hollow and token.

For a software company, MS is awful when it comes to artistry. Most of their successes were through acquisitions and/or contracted partners.

“The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products,” - Steve Jobs 1995

 

[TheGrat1]

Anyone who has been paying attention to Xbox's studio management since 2015:

 

[lh032]

lets be honest here everybody.

Perfect Dark, assuming it comes out with perfect score, its still wont sell alot here

 

[CityHunter1981]

So they close Tango Workshop who put out some very good games, but keep this studio, where they can’t make up their mind for years? Why can’t they at least replace the creative team there, so they at least have some kind of idea, what the final game should look like.

 

[Alan Wake]

Another game in Microsoft development hell. What a shock.

Maybe it's time to stop blaming Mattrick for everything.

 

[clarky]

Like it would change anything. The same thing was said with Mattrick.

Xbox was decent once. Well once and a half, somebody was doing something right.

 

[LordCBH]

“The only problem with Microsoft is they just have no taste. They have absolutely no taste. And I don't mean that in a small way, I mean that in a big way, in the sense that they don't think of original ideas, and they don't bring much culture into their products,” - Steve Jobs 1995

This quote is 100% accurate.