Topher
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Not true:
So "overall" they have had a good cadence of games until 2023? Well shit man....that's exactly what I've been saying.
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Jeff Grubb: It sounds like Sony has probably settled on a State of Play for June (rather than a Showcase)
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Not true:
So "overall" they have had a good cadence of games until 2023? Well shit man....that's exactly what I've been saying.
Fabieter
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They did release alot of games in 2013 alone on ps3. The only difference this time around is easy crossgen which was most of the games so far.
bitbydeath
Member
There we go, Neogaf cuts edition.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
So "overall" they have had a good cadence of games until 2023? Well shit man....that's exactly what I've been saying.
Topher
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GigaBowser
The bear of bad news
new norty dog ip warhawk annnd portimble i forgive sony for woke gas crud bookmarked
Bernardougf
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By a freaking mile
The_Observer
Member
Sony sucks, MS sucks even more, and I don't care about Nintendo. Maybe it's time for some new competent company to appear on the scene
yogaflame
Member
Nintendo is much better because of there exclusives which stays exclusives. And none or very low focus on that live and gaas service.
In terms of 1st and 2nd party game development, its the worse. Sony Asian game developers (Example Team Asobi, Shift up, and Kojima production) and Hero project are the bright side. For the hardware, Ps5 is a very good technology for its price. While sales is still tracking to be one of the best numbers in history.
Despite of Sony many blunders this gen especially with wasted game development due to live service and GAAS focus, and woke infestation, Sony PS patient and loyal fans are the one's saving them.
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MacReady13
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Are you telling me that the month when Microsoft is having a showcase for xbox and Nintendo release their new console that Sony would be doing something in June?! This Grubb guy is a GENIUS!
asdasdasdbb
Member
Halo?
ZehDon
Member
What I'm expecting:
What we'll actually get:
- Horizon MMO
- Marathon trailer
What we'll actually get:
- The Last of Us Complete Edition trailer
- Horizon MMO trailer and Fortnte tie-in
- God of War 2018 Remastered
- Too-long Marathon squad gameplay trailer with bad banter
Tiago Rodrigues
Member
Last year they got:So "overall" they have had a good cadence of games until 2023? Well shit man....that's exactly what I've been saying.
Remasters:
TLOU Part II
Remakes:
Until Dawn
Silent Hill 2 (console exclusive)
Sequels:
Helldivers 2
Final Fantasy VII Rebirth (timed exclusive, still console exclusive)
MLB (multiplatform)
Destiny 2: The Final Shape (multiplatform)
New IPs:
Astrobot
Rise of the Ronin (timed exclusive and financed by them. still console exclusive to this day)
Stellar Blade (timed exclusive and financed by them. still console exclusive to this day)
Lego Horizon
They also got the GOTY award winning game as an exclusive title to their platform.
I will never understand how 2024 was a bad year as a PS player.
Topher
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The conversation was about Sony first party studios.
Perrott
Member
Which is a pointless conversation to be having, since Sony's first-party output has never been all about their in-house teams only.
It's the equivalent to solely focusing on discussing the first 45 minutes of a soccer match during which the rival team scored 1 goal, while conviniently ignoring the remaining 45 minutes in which the team turned around the match and ended up with a 3-1 victory.
coachmcguirk91
Member
100% agree. Ronin, Stellar Blade, Astro, HD2 are all really good to great games. But to be fair, a lot of people own a Playstation for their cutting edge and highly produced first party games, which wasn't present in 2024
During the PS4 era, Playstation would usually only release one AAA game a year, sometimes 2. Their cadence isn't too different this generation. The problem has been a lack of new IP and sequels that don't innovate very much on their predecessors.
The good news is that Playstation should have 4 new AAA IPs releasing in the next 2.5 years. Wolverine, Intergalactic, Saros, and Sony Santa Monica's new IP. They should end the generation really strong
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Topher
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It isn't pointless. Not when games from Sony's first party studios are the primary reasons why I own a PlayStation. Those are games that, 9 times out of 10, are absolutely kick ass games. When I think of Sony first party studios then I think of TLOU, Ghost of Tsushima, God of War, etc. Not Stellar Blade. Not Rise of the Ronin. So save your silly analogies. If you don't like my outlook on Sony first party then that's not my problem.
Perrott
Member
The in-house studios of today were the external partners of the past, replacing the in-house teams that are no more.
The context changes each generation, making any comparison apples-to-oranges like in nature.
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HeisenbergFX4
Member
So far, cemented in place
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
PS shows have been very underwhelming basically the entire generation thus far, outside of the Sep 2020 Showcase where they got the Hogwarts Legacy reveal, because WB Games planned on going to e3 that year, buuuut Covid. That was epic.
But anyway, not expecting much from PS. Should of course be a great year for Nintendo, though. They always go big for the launch year of their new console.
But anyway, not expecting much from PS. Should of course be a great year for Nintendo, though. They always go big for the launch year of their new console.
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Topher
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I'm fully capable of looking at the first party studio output and deciding for myself. Thanks.
PurePlatinum
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Try to remember guys, the cost of having a massive showcase is Sony totally blowing their load. We saw this in 2015-2016 where they got so excited about actually being on top for the first time in a while, that they spent the next five years releasing the lineup debuted at those E3 conferences.
I see why that is appealing, but think about the announcements we've gotten over the last year.
- Helldivers
- Astro
- Ghost of Yotei
- Saros
- Intergalactic.
- most of the deets on DS2.
That IS an E3 level showcase when you throw in some major 3rd party stuff.
I think this cadence over the last year is clearly a sign they are moving away from the huge showcases and want to have smaller State of Plays, or announce things at TGA/SGF. More beats throughout the year.
I see why that is appealing, but think about the announcements we've gotten over the last year.
- Helldivers
- Astro
- Ghost of Yotei
- Saros
- Intergalactic.
- most of the deets on DS2.
That IS an E3 level showcase when you throw in some major 3rd party stuff.
I think this cadence over the last year is clearly a sign they are moving away from the huge showcases and want to have smaller State of Plays, or announce things at TGA/SGF. More beats throughout the year.
Perrott
Member
Then what's the difference between a Saros and a Returnal? A Spider-Man and a Wolverine? Knack and Sackboy? Concord started out externally but ended up as an in-house project, does that make it count more in your book than a Detroit?
Your whole angle of comparison is flawed: the difference between a Ghost of Tsushima and a Stellar Blade is not whether a team is in-house or external, but the investments that go into each individual title, based on the game concept, IP recognition, market conditions, target demographic, etc.
So, are you really fully capable to decide? Hmmmm...
Topher
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For myself? Of course I am. We won't see eye to eye on this and I'm fine with that.
Moving on
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Bitstream
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Can't speak for xbox, but on the sony side they shifted hard into gambling on GAAS hoping that they could land a huge hit with a lower budget than would typically be required for a AAA single player game. As evident, it's not going too well for them.First people said Xbox had no games.
Now they say Sony have no games.
Where are they, who is stealing all these games ?
saintjules
Member
Let's keep in mind that Jeff isnt 100% sure what it will be in June.
I think a Showcase to start showing games in the back half of the generation (announcents or otherwise) would be good for Sony.
I think a Showcase to start showing games in the back half of the generation (announcents or otherwise) would be good for Sony.
Kotaro
Member
i called this back in 2021 when they started skipping E3s. I knew they didnt have any enough content to do a big showcase every year.
its not a suprise that their only big showcase this gen has been the 2023 one where they showed like 5 CGi games and Spiderman 2. If it wasnt for insomniac, sony first party would be in shambles.
A lot of it is due to poor management by herman and Jimbo. Cancelling Days Gone 2 or rather rejecting its pitch in 2019 meant no game from bend in 2025. Forcing them to do GaaS then cancelling it 6 years later is also retarded. Had Bluepoint started on Demon Souls 2 in 2020, or another remake, it wouldve been ready for 2025. But no, another studios wasted on gaas trash.
But when 60% of your budget is going into GaaS, there isnt enough money left to give it to your other teams. The ones that made you successful. The ones that literally resurrected the Sony brand after the fuckups of the PS3 launch. I havent seen first party studios abandoned like this, ever.
YIKES!! 60% GAAS?!? That's just terrible business decision
TikiLagoonSam
Member
Worst Playstation generation ever. My PS5 is basically. a 3rd party and PS4 player. And just barely. Luckily Switch (and soon switch 2) are keeping me too busy to care too much.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Mortisfacio
Member
Every year I consider more strongly that this will be the last Gen I'll have bought a console. As we get further into the gen, I feel like that's the best choice. This gen has been awful.
Oblivion78
Neo Member
Do it then, you won't.
Fabieter
Member
Console base is shrinking, there are definitely more and more people not give a fuck anymore.
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Lot a Sony bitching on my sonygaf. You fucking nerds wanna tell me your complaints outside your local tesco or Walmart?
No?
Thought so
LOCK THE THREAD
No?
Thought so
LOCK THE THREAD
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
That FY25 split
So, after everything they've experienced they are investing more in live service....
Damn
bitbydeath
Member
Slight correction, he doesn't know if State of Play or Showcase.
bitbydeath
Member
You guys are still thinking that Sony is going to make a show announcing everything they got, all at once, years in advance just to keep some online fans clinged to the past hyped for a couple of weeks before they start complaining again? 
That's not how marketing works today in the era of games being shadow dropped and 3-6 months long marketing cycles.
They will announce just the things that they feel they're ready to announce and that's it.
That's not how marketing works today in the era of games being shadow dropped and 3-6 months long marketing cycles.
They will announce just the things that they feel they're ready to announce and that's it.
Branded
Member
And what would this hypothetical fourth company bring to the table that isn't already being done by the existing lot?
Hector Hall
Member
2024 output
Helldivers 2
Rise of Ronin
MLBA The Show
Stellar Blade
Astrobot
Concord
Lego Horizon
TLOU 2 Remaster
Until Dawn Remake
Horizon Zero Dawn Remake
2025
Death Stranding 2
MLBA The Show 25
Lost Soul Aside
Ghost of Yotei
Marathon
Days Gone remaster
?
Game output is about as expected, 4/5 games each year +remasters.
seb85
Member
Remasters and pointless remakes don't count
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