I was about to say, yeah, you should do that.
Restart the PS3 too before starting up the game fresh. I wonder if it's HDD cache issue.
Who knows, but it worries me too.
Dark10x never mentioned this though.
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I was about to say, yeah, you should do that.
Restart the PS3 too before starting up the game fresh. I wonder if it's HDD cache issue.
Who knows, but it worries me too.
Dark10x never mentioned this though.
Whoa, now this is new. I definitely am NOT encountering that issue. Would have driven me crazy otherwise.
There are a few points in this video where I'm not sure if it's hanging or it's just YouTube.
Definitely running better in that video than it is on my PS3, in any case.
MMaRsu
Member
There are a few points in this video where I'm not sure if it's hanging or it's just YouTube.
What sort of Ps3 are you playing this on? And Dark10x? I myself am using an old 40gb fat to play online but my 3.55 one is a slim.
I'm using a slim with a 7200rpm 500gb HDD added in (dunno if that would make a difference).
I'm definitely not seeing what people are describing.
Mine's a 160gb Slim I bought a year ago.
Messofanego
Banned
Ryan Davis said it hasn't held up at all in the latest Bombcast (2:10:36)
"That game isn't any good. I will not deny the impact of that game, the idea of trying to incorporate different cultural elements, the art style, it has this singular voice. And stunning to look at. But even at the time it was a frustrating fucking mess of a game to actually play that never quite executed on the control ideas that it had. It was never as much fun to play as it should have been.
Consistent, massive performance issues on the XBLA version. Gameplay hitches, music hiccups, stuttering like off a disc but it's on a goddamn hard drive."
"That game isn't any good. I will not deny the impact of that game, the idea of trying to incorporate different cultural elements, the art style, it has this singular voice. And stunning to look at. But even at the time it was a frustrating fucking mess of a game to actually play that never quite executed on the control ideas that it had. It was never as much fun to play as it should have been.
Consistent, massive performance issues on the XBLA version. Gameplay hitches, music hiccups, stuttering like off a disc but it's on a goddamn hard drive."
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Ryan Davies is probably one of the worth authorities in gaming considering how awful he is at them.
Issues on the 360 is inexcusable though.
Issues on the 360 is inexcusable though.
BruiserBear
Banned
Wow. This is the first we've heard of performance issues with the 360 version. Not a single review had made mention of this, and they all seemed to be playing it on the 360.
Actually, one of the reviews made a comment about the framerate that lead me to believe there were stability issues.
Let's wait and see.
BruiserBear
Banned
Well, making a comment about the framerate is one thing. "Consistent , massive performance issues" is another matter entirely.
Has anyone played the PSN version more then the first 2 levels? They seemed fine from what I've watched on youtube so far.
I think people need to understand this isn't Jet Set Radio 2012. It's DC gaming with a slight touch up. Still JSR though!
I think the Vita's screen will show off the game the best unless they've made significant sacrifices...which isn't really forgivable tbh.
Why it has severe performance issues on the XBLA version, or even any issues on either console is strange.
> Just a thought but try signing out of PSN/XBLA if you are getting that stuttering every 20-30 seconds.
I think people need to understand this isn't Jet Set Radio 2012. It's DC gaming with a slight touch up. Still JSR though!
I think the Vita's screen will show off the game the best unless they've made significant sacrifices...which isn't really forgivable tbh.
Why it has severe performance issues on the XBLA version, or even any issues on either console is strange.
> Just a thought but try signing out of PSN/XBLA if you are getting that stuttering every 20-30 seconds.
Maybe they didn't have access to the source code and failed to recreate it smoothly?
I really think these are just individual user reports and people who don't remember the original game as well.
The original wasn't that smooth nor that forgiving anyway (specific angles...momentum etc). Needed to learn the maps and their niggles but I don't remember another skating game being anywhere near as fun (overall, especially with a bit of practice). Just a brilliant game - themes/ideas/music - especially for its time. But it's a treat with nostalgia eyes....not going to be too smooth for newcomers tbh.. might want to hold off for a while if some of you are coming straight into this off the hype..as the difficulty may take away from you wanting to enjoy the gameplay straight away.
Well, some of the complaints being leveled at this version (stuttering) were not present in the original game.
Still, I think further improvements should be present. I'm still amazed they couldn't bump the framerate up significantly. Would have really improved responsiveness.
Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't bump it up either. I haven't seen any real stuttering from the footage I've seen.
The DC version had some slowdown with detailed scenes, especially when jumping down..or turning quickly sometimes. That guy with the every 20-30 seconds seems to be an install issue. Hopefully the XBLA version will get patched. -- try signing out though guys, watched a few vids now and looks pretty good to me.
I mean, even the Vita version was looking great.
BruiserBear
Banned
I wonder if this game has a specific issue with fragmented hard drives. That would explain why some people might see stuttering more than others.
I recently started a thread about how one of my two slim Xboxs was loading the friends list significantly slower than the other. I wondered why this was happening, and I eventually chose to reformat the hard drive, and wipe it completely clean.
After doing that the console performed like it was new again. Friends list loaded instantly, etc. Even after reinstalling games, and downloading all my DLC, it still runs like new.
I've also heard that fragmentation can be even worse on PS3s because of the way it handles data.
I recently started a thread about how one of my two slim Xboxs was loading the friends list significantly slower than the other. I wondered why this was happening, and I eventually chose to reformat the hard drive, and wipe it completely clean.
After doing that the console performed like it was new again. Friends list loaded instantly, etc. Even after reinstalling games, and downloading all my DLC, it still runs like new.
I've also heard that fragmentation can be even worse on PS3s because of the way it handles data.
I was thinking the exact same. Sony's downloader is quite good though - usually queues up the downloads one by one - unlike Steam. But not sure about the data handling you brought up.
MMaRsu
Member
Yeah, but no way in hell I wanna lose my Dark Souls save file :/
BruiserBear
Banned
PS+ ?
GANGSTERKILLER
Member
This sounds awful. And music hiccups? WTF? Have never had this issue with Dreamcast version.
Hey dark10x, noticed any music hiccups with the PS3 version?
MMaRsu
Member
Uhm yeah I guess I could reformat it then right? Just back up the save to Ps+, reformat, and redownload it?
BruiserBear
Banned
Yup.
Nope, none at all. Not yet at least.
GANGSTERKILLER
Member
Damn, i never knew JSR was so hated around the net, it's one of my top game of all time.
Then again, i rarely agree with the Giant Bomb guys on videogames, as funny and entertaining as they are.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ok, so don't download ANY version. Got it!
Just buy the soundtrack. You've already gotten the majority of enjoyment out of it.
I'll be honest, I've been thinking about Jet Set for a while before it came out and I knew it didn't age well. I remember the floaty controls and undecisiveness. It was kind of the proto-Assassin's Creed of me yelling 'WHAT ARE YOU DOING' at the character on the screen for going the wrong way, but I'm still interested in owning it. I still have fondness for the Dreamcast, and it's appealing to my nostalgia, but yeah, the hitching is terrible.
I've only unlocked Mew and Garam, but I was playing one of the levels and playing as Garam and EVERY TIEM I jump while on a grind, it hitches. EVERY. TIME.
I definitely found Jet Set frustrating to control at the time. It's not like Tony Hawk didn't exist back then.
Heavy's Sandvich
Member
Ryan chatting poop? Surely not.
BruiserBear
Banned
Woooow wtf psn its downloading at 1mb per minute or something noooooo
How do i speed this up? Its connected wireless and the signal isnt great but i get 1mb/s on my pc... i really wanna play this man
How big is the file?
A couple of us have asked the question on previous pages only to never have it answered.
Like 1100-ish mb.
This kind of feels weird to say, but this sort of feels like one of those situations where someone is bad at a game and just doesn't get it. The requests for an easier game by Ryan Davis during this segment were just like...I dunno. Someone's gotta stop putting controllers in the hands of babies. Complaining about having to go get paint cans is just whacked out.
Really is too bad to hear about the performance issues, but with a PC version coming out this will all probably be a non-issue.
BruiserBear
Banned
Thanks.
People noted that they had problems with the controls back sure, sure. My problem is with the terminology Ryan used.
Muffdraul
Member
Ryan Davis' assessment is harsh, but thinking back, it's not that far from how I felt when JGR first came out. I loved the look, I loved the music, I *wanted* love the gameplay. But it was fucking hard. It's possible to be hard without being overly stressful and frustrating. I'd forgotten until I just read my old JRSF review at Amazon from 10 years ago- When I first played JGR, I didn't finish it. I stopped playing it because it was so fucking frustrating. I didn't go back and finish it until a couple years later, when I was re-motivated by finding out that a lot of Smilebit folks were actually ex-Team Andromeda.
It's a really fucking hard game. I'm proud that I was able to finish it. But I'll never be all Teknopathetic about it.
It's a really fucking hard game. I'm proud that I was able to finish it. But I'll never be all Teknopathetic about it.
BruiserBear
Banned
I feels strange seeing people label this game "fucking hard", because back in the day I imported it when it came out in Japan first, and then I bought the game when it came out in the U.S.
I finished it both times shortly after release, and I never recall feeling like it was that tough, and I don't normally enjoy games that are brutally difficult.
But it's really not hard. At all. Most of the levels are actually super easy.
The game doesn't tell you how to play it right. The onus is on you to learn it. You have to plan your route out, find the big tags, and target those first to spray them easily before the more difficult enemies are called in. You can really get away not doing that even to be honest. The game is a breeze and super forgiving.
I thought it was hard, too, but as i said earlier i was a kid and i've always been a bad player in general, that said, i completed it and loved it to death.
What someone finds hard, other may find easy.
This is a very subjective issue, anyhow.
What someone finds hard, other may find easy.