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Jet Set Radio HD |OT| Flip The Raps, Flip The Track
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dragonlife
Member
Installing now. I always wanted to get these back in the day, so I'm glad to be able to finally play one.
Mihael Mello Keehl
Banned
Has the map always been in the game? I beat the game when I was younger on DC and today am suprised to see a map. The game is still hard though I love it! Thankyoy based sega.
yup. pause on dc has a map
GANGSTERKILLER
Member
Played the PS3 version and the audio quality of the songs sounds like shit compared to the 360 version! Very muffled and dull, increasing volume doesn't make it any better.
I've been switching between them to compare the differences. Listening to both versions in PCM stereo 48Khz.
Rather bizarre because both versions are almost equal in size. 990 MB on 360, 1103 MB on PS3. 360 version is also more vibrant looking to my eyes.
I have also noticed framedrops at the beginning of the game with all the cars passing by. Did noticed that on 360.
And those damn triggers on the DualShock. My fingers keeps slipping off and you can't change the button layout. Feels very uncomfortable.
Go for the 360 version if you have the choise.
I've been switching between them to compare the differences. Listening to both versions in PCM stereo 48Khz.
Rather bizarre because both versions are almost equal in size. 990 MB on 360, 1103 MB on PS3. 360 version is also more vibrant looking to my eyes.
I have also noticed framedrops at the beginning of the game with all the cars passing by. Did noticed that on 360.
And those damn triggers on the DualShock. My fingers keeps slipping off and you can't change the button layout. Feels very uncomfortable.
Go for the 360 version if you have the choise.
Ash Sparrow
Banned
This
Go for the PC version actually, seems to run on virtually every machine from the last 5 years, locked at 30fps with no stuttering. My CPU is from 2007, GPU from 2008, I'm running the thing at 1080p with some AA thrown in to boot. :lol
I understand the desire for the game to be 60fps, and it's actually impossible for the jump from 30 to 60 to not affect the game. I understand why people want it so badly. I just don't know that enough people realize the effort that it would have taken to make the game run at 60. Not every engine is like Quake!
Hopefully as we get more re-releases of 3D 30fps games we'll see less discussion focused solely on a port's framerate. I don't think it's that bad in this thread, especially given the people actually running into weird performance issues.
edible_candle
Member
Yeah, for all the people talking about the brief transition to 60fps when you bring up the menu, if you look closely, you'll see that the game speed doubles when it does so - it is literally moving twice as fast as it should be. A fix for this would likely require an entire rewrite of the base rendering engine - separating game logic updates from framerate.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
It sounds like an inconsequential bullet point but 30fps really mars the experience when you've been used to 60 and above for years. There's a distinct "wrongness" to it. It's comparable to being forced to watch a film with motion interpolation.
But if Dark Souls can be fixed then there's hope for JGR.
Rygar 8 Bit
Jaguar 64-bit
woo pc version out today now to go reunlock noise tank and pots
BruiserBear
Banned
Well, I'm sorry to hear the PS3 version got the short end of the stick once again, but I can't say I'm surprised.
I was just coming here to post my impressions, because I downloaded the 360 demo and it was running flawlessly for me, and the sound quality sounded pretty good on my surround system. Certainly nothing like people had described with the PS3 version. Scratchy voices, etc. It's not a true surround mix, as everything is just projected out of all the speakers, but it sounds fine.
At the end of the day I had several reasons for suspecting the PS3 version got the short end of the stick. Only the 360 version was shown publicly in the spring right after the game was announced. Then there was the oddly short trophy list, which might seem meaningless on the surface, but I suspected that might be an indication of the effort that was out into that version in general.
I'm an hour into the 360 version and I've literally got no complaints. This is the game exactly as I remember it, only looking and running even better. Couldn't be happier getting this for $10.
I'd still love to find out how people like Ryan Davis encountered "massive performance issues" with the 360 version. Mind boggling.
It's not ever "required" for me to enjoy a game, but it never hurts. And from playing this for the first time in a decade, having never really put a ton of time into it back then, I think it would benefit greatly from 60fps due to the nature of timing jumps and whatnot. I said in the Dark Souls fix thread that I don't mind 30fps if I can play at near-bullshot quality, and thankfully I can downsample from 1620p+8xMSAA without any trouble.
Rickenslacker
Banned
You check the global achievement progress? Seems a little off to me.
Black Republican
Member
playing this again made me realize u can be halfway through a level collecting G.souls etc, then a fucking car or truck pushes you straight outta the level and have to start again.
good memories,lol
good memories,lol
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
A mod needs to put "reboot computer" in the thread title
haha or just the first post
balladofwindfishes
Member
Man, I forgot how hard this game was
morningbus
Serious Sam is a wicked gahbidge series for chowdaheads.
Did it work for you?
TheVampire
Banned
Is there no way to unlock this to 60fps like with DarkSouls?
We don't know yet. Dark Souls used a fixed time step engine with some additional logic in there to manage sub-30fps situations that could be manipulated to get 60fps. This game does nothing of the sort; when it goes below 30, you get slow motion, like any other older Japanese engine.
I wouldn't expect it.
I wouldn't expect it.
Shadow Hog
Member
Sooooo I'm assuming the game isn't supposed to crash when you finish the first mission, right? 
dragonlife
Member
NopeSooooo I'm assuming the game isn't supposed to crash when you finish the first mission, right?
In other news, I suck ass at this game.
Get 20 tricks, then the tutorial wants 30. Best I can do is 22 tricks before I have to jump over the roofs to the one handrail to get back to the handrail to wallgrind to loop. Fucks sake, how many of these does this tutorial want for me to complete it? :|
And fucks sake, I must be doing something wrong because anytime I wallgrind it ends two milliseconds later and I don't get enough air to cross the gap to complete the loop. EVERY. TIME. WTF. :/
And fucks sake, I must be doing something wrong because anytime I wallgrind it ends two milliseconds later and I don't get enough air to cross the gap to complete the loop. EVERY. TIME. WTF. :/
dragonlife
Member
I couldn't even do 10 tricks... but I think I have an idea of how to do them now thanks to playing the campaign.
BlazeHedgehog
Member
While others have explained it in the thread, it's basically like this: There's two types of framerates in videogames; we'll call them "Static" and "Variable".
Variable framerates are what most modern games have. This allows the framerate to fluctuate with performance of the game. Even if a game says it is "locked" at a specific framerate, it more than likely still has a variable framerate and they're just capping it so it never exceeds a specific number (or it's just silly marketing hyperbole for "we've optimized our game really lots").
Static framerates are what many older games have. A static framerate is ACTUALLY locked at a specific number and the game's whole entire internal timing logic is based on this static framerate. In this case, if you change the framerate, you change the speed of the game. If you have a game that runs at 30fps, change the framerate to 15fps and suddenly the whole game is running at half speed, like it was moving in bullet time. Change it to 60fps, and now everything is moving twice as fast.
A more simple way to put it:
Variable framerates = skips frames to keep the game always running at full speed
Static framerates = does not skip frames, so the game lags if something processing-intensive happens
Dark Souls had a variable framerate that was capped at a maximum of 30fps. Therefore, it was possible to remove the cap and let the game's framerate fluctuate up to 60fps.
Jet Set Radio has a static framerate. I didn't think it did at first, but it most definitely does. There probably is no easy way to boost the framerate without making serious and extensive modifications to the game logic, and at that point you might as well just re-write the entire game from scratch.
tl;dr Jet Set Radio is an old game and this is just the way old games work. Suck it up, because there's nothing wrong with 30fps, especially given the game was designed for it.
Shadow Hog
Member
It's funny; based on a YouTube video, I was expecting a mission where you go into the area where you were taught how to ride cars up hills, but instead I got the same mission you get from the old Official Dreamcast Magazine demo - meaning I was wasting valuable "x completed graffitis until cops show up" spots on one-shots instead of tackling the busses like any smart player would do - like I knew to do in said demo. Which meant I had to do two busses with the cops jumping on me. Guess I'm out of the running for that "complete the game without cops jumping on you" achievement! Or would be, anyway, if the game didn't crash when I finished the round.
Also, I swear doing the graffiti motions on my 360 pad is giving me blisters.
Also, I swear doing the graffiti motions on my 360 pad is giving me blisters.
You have to grind and keep momentum for the game to register tricks. It's stupid as hell coming from JSRF to this because in JSRF you could simply smash X and rack up a high-combo score as fast as you could get Beat to change his footing.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
He's completely insane. I have 9th on Kogane-cho so I was working to improve my score and checked the top people... WTF @ THE DRAGONBORN.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffFtdJkEXw8
Jump early, do not hold the jump button, then he will grind on the wall upon coming in contact with it (it seems automatic, but it is because you are holding RT, the real grind button), as he is still grinding the wall, press the jump button and he will jump off. He will actually jump off so hard you may need some practice to figure out how to not overshoot the rail.
Looking at the new phrasing, I think that achievement applies to any new game you start. It's still a bitch, though.
patrickthehedgehog
Member
Game was running great for me...sunshine, rainbows and sweet music, but then the moment Onishima or whatever touched me on the first stage, the game crashed. Bleh.
30fps is not an issue, it looks fantastic in motion. When a game is 100% locked at 30fps I really have no issues with the framerate, unless it's a fast moving game like a racer.
Some screens:
For twelve year-old Dreamcast game it looks completely unbelievable. Magnificent texture work and art design that will last throughout the ages, it seems. It even comes with a documentary on the development of the original game! Clearly someone at Sega cares deeply about JSR. God bless him/her.
Some screens:
For twelve year-old Dreamcast game it looks completely unbelievable. Magnificent texture work and art design that will last throughout the ages, it seems. It even comes with a documentary on the development of the original game! Clearly someone at Sega cares deeply about JSR. God bless him/her.
Dice
Pokémon Parentage Conspiracy Theorist
Man, racing tab is a bitch. How come he can hit me so hard I fly the opposite direction but I can't hit him?
I agree with someone who said it really needs a "retart" option on the pause menu. Going back to the main menu doesn't make sense for something based on making runs and high scores with leaderboards. If you know you fucked up, you just want to start over the same level with the same character.
I agree with someone who said it really needs a "retart" option on the pause menu. Going back to the main menu doesn't make sense for something based on making runs and high scores with leaderboards. If you know you fucked up, you just want to start over the same level with the same character.
Wait, I have to hold R2/Boost to do the wallgrind? That may be where I'm screwing up. Also how do you keep momentum for long grinds? It seems if I hop so many rails I just lose momentum? I have to keep R2/Boost down?
edible_candle
Member
I don't think R2/boost have anything to do with speed while on rails. Jumping while on a rail will speed you up though. Watch some youtube videos of the infinite grind loops in JSR, might give you a better idea.
I got the general idea. I just can't get the gaps to work. :/ Wallriding won't let me wallride. Jumping the gaps won't let me hit them. I end up too short or not even making the rail. It's pretty annoying.
teacupcopter
Banned
played a little bit of it before on steam... so silky smooth. Delicious.
Now for JSRF! I love both so much I NEED IT. While I think JSR had a specific something that I can't define that JSRF lost, JSRF had much more speed. I NEED IT SEGA
Now for JSRF! I love both so much I NEED IT. While I think JSR had a specific something that I can't define that JSRF lost, JSRF had much more speed. I NEED IT SEGA
It literally is just momentum and getting the "trick" of each gap to work. For instance: From the Car/Truck rail to the rail that has the phone booth in between, you have to come fast ("boost" button at the beginning of the rail) and do a wall jump on the billboard.
Now, the trick to do the two cabs/billboard grind all the way to the previously mentioned rail, you gotta come fast from the catwalk, jump directly into the billboard, wall-ride it, jump off of it, land on the rail after the cabs. If you did it right, you'll land on this rail near the end of it - enough that you can connect, grind a second and jump off near the endge. Then you'll be fast enough to cover the distance to the other rail.
With those two key moments, you can loop the entire stage and, if you don't make a mistake and slow down, you can do endless tricks. I got the 100 tricks achievement like that.
Is it a game from Japan? </sarcasm>
Talking about Nights, I wonder if they'll port the Saturn version or the PS/2 version? Dreamcast games have been ported before. Actual Saturn games... That's harder.
If I remember correctly, it has both a New Style and an Old Style? Was that in the PS/2 Version?