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[RAIDEN1]

I don't disagree. This is to stop Playstation gamers from jumping ship and buying a PC, a Steam Box, or even the next Xbox

The next Box shouldn't even be in the conversation there is zero reason to get one

 

[Varteras]

The next Box shouldn't even be in the conversation there is zero reason to get one

I do wonder if the Steam Machine represents the final nail in the coffin for future Xbox hardware. Where they might have been able to carve out a niche creating a console-like gaming PC, they just got beaten to the punch by the owner of the largest PC gaming platform.

 

[LectureMaster]

I mean at this point basically:

 

[Varteras]

I mean at this point basically:

Pretend that I'm retarded and explain the connection to me. In fact, don't pretend. Is it a couple dudes who should probably stop putting their feet in their mouths? Do they both have diabetes? Are they.... GASP... actually the same person?!

 

[RAIDEN1]

I do wonder if the Steam Machine represents the final nail in the coffin for future Xbox hardware. Where they might have been able to carve out a niche creating a console-like gaming PC, they just got beaten to the punch by the owner of the largest PC gaming platform.

And Phil Spencer is like "Welcome to the Party Pal!" (aka Die Hard)

 

[Astray]

Dench is properly unhinged when it's come to jumping on all kinds of anti Playstation news and making 'jokes' about the Sony fans/SonyGaf. Just a lame way to war.

He has 150 PS5s he can't be a console warrior.

 

[Topher]

HeisenbergFX4

 

[Signalis]

Can we please ban Jez posts and the people that keep posting threads regarding his thumb sucking shit

 

[Steve Holt]

There's some that literally play on one platform and insult all others for some strange reason

I wonder what fans you are referring to here

 

[Topher]

and the people that keep posting threads regarding his thumb sucking shit

 

[LectureMaster]

Can we please ban Jez posts and the people that keep posting threads regarding his thumb sucking shit

How dare you!

Jez is to Topher what adamsapple is to me!

 

[semiconscious]

So basically what he says is what Sony has been doing since Horizon released. How tf is this "pulling back"?

exactly. iow, 'so maybe they just continue to do what they do'...

 

[YeulEmeralda]

I guess we'll see if it's true if Death Stranding 2 and Ghost of Yotei don't show up on PC in 2026.

Is Death stranding 2 owned by Sony?

Ah already answered.

 

[Spitfire098]

Believing anything that fatty says is hilarious.

 

[DrFigs]

So this guy really doesn't know wtf he's talking about. Wasn't he just saying the opposite a few days ago.

 

[calico]

There is a difference between what he says on the podcast and his personal social media, and the articles that he writes for WC. None of that speculation goes into his official WC stuff, afaik. I dont have any problem sorting out whats speculation or not, so why should that damage his credibility? Guy should be allowed to say what he thinks, as long as its not an official Windows Central article.

Nobody is stopping him from saying what he thinks. He isn't immune from what he chooses to say damaging his credibility.

It's good that he can say what he thinks, because it allows people to judge how much weight to assign to his 'insight' on the industry.

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

Nobody is stopping him from saying what he thinks. He isn't immune from what he chooses to say damaging his credibility.

It's good that he can say what he thinks, because it allows people to judge how much weight to assign to his 'insight' on the industry.

Jezz problem is he does not clearly state when he is just guessing and he gets all this engagement and clicks and then walks back what he says when he gets blowback

 

[CrimsonSquall]

The whole Sony on PC novelty is dead. There are so many goooood games now and I don't see any Sony game as "must play" especially in this generation.

BloodBorne II on the way

 

[Tobimacoss]

HeisenbergFX4

Wait, so Sony is preventing the NCsoft game on Consoles? Even the PS5?

 

[Topher]

Wait, so Sony is preventing the NCsoft game on Consoles? Even the PS5?

Seems so. Par for the course for the big brains at Sony these days

 

[zedinen]

Totoki's tragic capital allocation has turned Sony's Earnings Announcements into PlayStation's Earnings Announcements.

Sony's earnings Q&As are dominated by questions about PlayStation profit growth. Sorry, but PC ports and GaaS are here to stay.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

but PC ports and GaaS are here to stay.

GaaS have been there for a long time now.

PC ports? The damage of that initiative will not be clear until the very tail end and the beginning of the PS6 generation.

 

[thicc_girls_are_teh_best]

It 'might', but the degree to which it 'might' will surely change over the life of the console. Realistically how many are going to be funnelled to PS5 now if all previous reasons for that to happen have had no effect?

Is it worth forgoing, say, Yotei's PC sales if not releasing it convinces one person to buy a PS5? Obviously not, so it is a matter of judging how likely that 'might' really is.

The funnelling strategy has some merit, but it is not a fixed amount of merit, and not one they should adopt a rigid attitude towards imo.

Well c'mon, realistically it'd be more than one person. It's not an insignificant number if SIE's own data is anything to go by, where they suggest it's quite a lot of PC users who are included in entering the PS hardware ecosystem this gen, with things as-is. A restructuring of that strategy to still retain PC support in some way (GAAS) while increasing the value proposition of their own console (i.e making non-GAAS exclusive) would likely only increase that rate of PC users getting a console, not decrease it.

And it's not like they have to drop PC gaming to play on PlayStation; I doubt most PC users getting PS5s this gen have done that.

The majority of PS4/5 users aren't bothered with Sony exclusives so the lukewarm response from PC gamers should have surprised no-one. In addition, as we rapidly accelerate towards the streaming age Sony's hardware will be increasingly redundant. PlayStation's only hope of survival in the future will be as some form of aggregator service.

How can only three sentences rival 50 Shades for one of the worst writings in modern history?

Ghost of Yotei is a little over 3 million

Did Astrobot even crack 3 million?

The overwhelming majority that buy a PS5 do not care about their exclusives

Well Yotei just came out not long ago; it's on track to do at least ~ 10 million but that is over a period of time, just like the first game. Which I think actually shows the benefit of these games staying exclusive: they help attract people to the console over the years, and build up sales that way. They are evergreen in a sense, similar to many of Nintendo's titles.

When you start putting those games everywhere yeah, you may still get similar sales numbers. Maybe you actually get a bit more sales. But you're getting a lot less people buying your console to play those games, meaning that's one less person who's fully tapped into the ecosystem maybe buying 3P games, services, peripherals etc. off your platform too. In that sense, I don't think the trade-off is worth it, not for anything beyond really old legacy games getting ported around, anyway.

 

[digimaster7]

this is 1000% expected. why would anyone buy your console if the game is just gonna be available elsewhere? the only reason people still buy nintendo's piece of shit underpowered outdated hardware are because of exclusives.

I literally bought switch 1 back then just to be able to play mario odyssey and botw

 

[ioo]

Smart move. Even if they do release on PC they should make them exclusive to a Playstation PC Store at the very least for a year.

don't believe so easily, it's jez corden

 

[Mister Wolf]

don't believe so easily, it's jez corden

If I was running Playstation I would definitely do it. Would be a reign of tyranny. Would be paying timed exclusives to keep games off PC. Like how Monster Hunter World came to PC later.

 

[semiconscious]

current list of ps5-exclusive 'tent-pole' single-player games:

demon's souls remake
ghost of yotei
astrobot
...

 

[ZehDon]

Wait, so Sony is preventing the NCsoft game on Consoles? Even the PS5?

One look at the character designs for NCsoft's title tells me Sony's Western management would be call their parents if Sony allowed a big budget title in one of their core franchises that walked back at least a decades hard work of making the absolutely worst looking characters in the whole fucking business.

 

[Gamezone]

Smart move. Even if they do release on PC they should make them exclusive to a Playstation PC Store at the very least for a year.

EA, Microsoft, Ubisoft, Bethesda and Epic all failed their attempts of having launcher exclusives. Everyone but Epic came crawling back to Steam. Epic didn't, but publishers stopped using it, even for limited store exclusives. Even EA is starting to ignore the EA app by releasing directly on Steam.

Meanwhile people like you are suggesting yet another PC launcher. Come on...

 

[yogaflame]

current list of ps5-exclusive 'tent-pole' single-player games:

demon's souls remake
ghost of yotei
astrobot
...

Death stranding 2, GT7, Ratchet, SM( even if I hated the force woke pride agenda in sm2), Horizon, stellar blade.

 

[SportsFan581]

It's hard to get a read on them. At one moment, they'll be talking about how the math just isn't mathing for big-budget, console-exclusive, single-player games. And the next is the news about them pulling back, etc.

Though there is the possibility that there just won't be nearly as many single-player games released.

 

[SpokkX]

current list of ps5-exclusive 'tent-pole' single-player games:

demon's souls remake
ghost of yotei
astrobot
...

GT7 also i guess?

Anyway I was really dying to sell the PS5 so I hope this is not true..

to be fair the only upcoming games I am insterested in is Kojimas.. and i bet DS2 gets a PC announcement any time now

After Ragnarok I lost all interest in Santa Monica and Naughty Dogs latest looks.. well.. special

 

[yurinka]

did anyone from Sony actually state any of this, or were these kinds of things just said by the oustered Shuhei Yoshida in his interviews after he had already left Sony?

Jim Ryan, Hermen Hust, Totoki and Nishino said it while being at Sony

Is Death stranding 2 owned by Sony?

Ah already answered.

Sony sold the IP to Kojipro, but Sony published, funded and codeveloped the game (plus like in any first party game they handled Q&A, marketing etc).

When selling the IP to Kojipro maybe they agreed a deal where they gave the IP to Kojima to allow him make movies, anime, mangas, watches, apparel and so one, but regarding games they'd continue being published/managed/funded/etc by Sony plus the related (temporal) console exclusivity.

current list of ps5-exclusive 'tent-pole' single-player games:

demon's souls remake
ghost of yotei
astrobot
...

Spider-Man Miles Morales
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
Returnal
Ratchet Rift Apart
Horizon Call of the Mountain
Spider-Man 2
GoWR
Horizon Forbidden West
GT7
Stellar Blade
Rise of the Ronin
Lost Soul Aside
Death Stranding 2
....

Wait, so Sony is preventing the NCsoft game on Consoles? Even the PS5?

The NC Soft guy didn't say that.

They busy are doing what they pitched and signed: a mobile game (which like the other ones will also run on their own PC emulator).

Could they also port it to PS5? Technically yes, and he personally thinks it would be cool to release it too in PS5. But as now they are making the mobile game and haven't signed a PS5 version (they could sign it in the future, the game is still in pre-alpha).

Being a Sony IP obviously would need Sony's ok for the port, and before greenlighting the port pretty likely Sony would want to see if the final game is worth it, and if ends having a too big overlap with the upcoming Horizon Online and Horizon that Guerrilla are developing for PS5/PS6, or with whatever other projects they may have.

 

[Russell]

Thank-frikken-goodness. I hope this is true. The day Sony stops releasing their exclusives on the personal computer, is the day I get back into playing video games. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[rkofan87]

Makes sense, when did last last release/announce any big ports?

Steam Machine and Xbox Magnus aren't direct competitors, but it's not a good image having Sony's AAAs on there.

Fully expect GaaS games to continue being multiplatform going forward though.

yes it does considering Sony and Nintendo are the only two first parties left

 

[rkofan87]

Spider-Man Miles Morales

it is very odd to me that they put Spider-Man 1 and 2 on PC but not Miles Morales.

 

[Sanepar]

GaaS have been there for a long time now.

PC ports? The damage of that initiative will not be clear until the very tail end and the beginning of the PS6 generation.

Ok Just give me Yotei and Death Stranding 2.

 

[analog_future]

Thank-frikken-goodness. I hope this is true. The day Sony stops releasing their exclusives on the personal computer, is the day I get back into playing video games. Keeping my fingers crossed.

 

[Tobimacoss]

He is delusional, Sony first party games make now almost as much revenue outside PS (most in PC) than in PS, and Sony is working in their own PC store and launcher.

Sony also stated multiple times that PC is a platform with a huge ROI for them (all their tentpole ports have been profitable) and that instead of cannibalizing console sales PC is helping to grow their console userbase's with new players. The active userbase of their console is at all time highs.

What Sony could do, pretty likely at the same time they release PS6, would be to start releasing all their games, including tentpoles, day one on PC PSN, their own store. And maybe with crossbuy with their console version. And to stop releasing their own games on Steam or Epic Store, or maybe to release them in Steam & Epic a couple years after releasing then on PSN.

I think Sony should have a consistent policy across the ecosystem.

Their own PC and Android stores. Release game Day 1 on the Sony PC store. Cross Buy, Cross Save, Cross Play between PSN across PC, Consoles, Cloud, Handheld.

The PC store should act as the hub for their streaming and subscription service. Games should be streamable via PS+ Premium Buy and Stream catalog on Day 1. Allow streaming of games via Nvidia GFN and Boosteroid only if purchased via PS PC store. And also PS+ Premium integration like how Gamepass integrates with GFN. PS+ Premium streaming should be available on every major TV, PC, Laptop, Tablet, Mobile, and browser PWA web app.

Games then enter PS+ Premium tier game catalog after 12 months, and Extra tier after 18 months.

Put games on all other PC stores and other consoles after 12 months at full price. So basically One year timed exclusivity to PSN ecosystem.

Instead of wasting money on third party timed exclusives, they should get 4 indies or AA games to launch Day 1 on PS+ Premium, with native support across the full PS ecosystem, on PC, Console, Handheld, Cloud. So basically 48-50 Day 1 third party games every year, with their first party games getting added 12-18 months after release.

Also, use MSIX packaged format to sign and notarize the games so that they can't be pirated for the first 12 months. Denuvo on Steam/Epic stores.

One look at the character designs for NCsoft's title tells me Sony's Western management would be call their parents if Sony allowed a big budget title in one of their core franchises that walked back at least a decades hard work of making the absolutely worst looking characters in the whole fucking business.

So true. Korean Aloy > Chinese Aloy (Tencent) > Zero Dawn Aloy > Forbidden West Aloy.

 

[semiconscious]

Spider-Man Miles Morales
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
Returnal
Ratchet Rift Apart
Horizon Call of the Mountain
Spider-Man 2
GoWR
Horizon Forbidden West
GT7
Stellar Blade
Rise of the Ronin
Lost Soul Aside
Death Stranding 2
....

what part of 'ps5 exclusive tent-pole single player games' did you not get? for one thing, sony-published does not equal 'tent-pole'. also, most of these titles are either ps4 &/or pc as well, or weren't even developed by sony-owned studios. sony's primary big-budget ('tent-pole') single-player studios: naughty dog, santa monica, insomniac, guerrilla, sucker punch...

 

[Topher]

Thank-frikken-goodness. I hope this is true. The day Sony stops releasing their exclusives on the personal computer, is the day I get back into playing video games. Keeping my fingers crossed.

PlayStation games on PC made you quit gaming entirely?

 

[semiconscious]

GT7 also i guess?

Anyway I was really dying to sell the PS5 so I hope this is not true..

to be fair the only upcoming games I am insterested in is Kojimas.. and i bet DS2 gets a PC announcement any time now

After Ragnarok I lost all interest in Santa Monica and Naughty Dogs latest looks.. well.. special

gt7's also on ps4...

 

[semiconscious]

Death stranding 2, GT7, Ratchet, SM( even if I hated the force woke pride agenda in sm2), Horizon, stellar blade.

all either already available on other platforms, or created by non-sony-owned studios...

 

[//DEVIL//]

Can we get GT7 on PC ? They can keep ghost of potato and duck stranding 2

 

[adamsapple]

 

[bender]

Can we get GT7 on PC ?

 

[SNG32]

Thank-frikken-goodness. I hope this is true. The day Sony stops releasing their exclusives on the personal computer, is the day I get back into playing video games. Keeping my fingers crossed.

This is the dumbest post I have seen in a minute.

 

[ioo]

Spider-Man Miles Morales
Sackboy: A Big Adventure
Returnal
Ratchet Rift Apart
Horizon Call of the Mountain
Spider-Man 2
GoWR
Horizon Forbidden West
GT7
Stellar Blade
Rise of the Ronin
Lost Soul Aside
Death Stranding 2
....


most of these games are already available on PS4 or their not even first party. He meant real first party games that can push the console. I mean, most of these games already sold much on PS4 and many players already played them. Many like rise of Robin and lost soul didn't sell well and are mid.

 

[SNG32]

Yea ok so Sony is just going to abandon a their pc porting studio and realeasing games. Yea ok until we've heard some thing officially from Sony it's business as usual. Some of you console warriors are busting your loads too fast.

 

[Gaiff]

The original purpose of the whole strategy was to use ports of old games to draw some of those PC users to pick up a PlayStation for the sequels and other exclusives & whatnot.

Who at Sony ever said that?

it is very odd to me that they put Spider-Man 1 and 2 on PC but not Miles Morales.

Miles Morales is on PC.