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[cormack12]

You literally buy an Xbox controller and turn it on. That’s it. How is that arsing about? It’s the same as on Xbox or PlayStation thanks for proving my point about what I was just saying above. People don’t know wtf they are talking about.

As for PC dimensions wrong again. You can literally mount it on the wall with a flat design or whatever you want. Tons of options in size and shape.

Show us. Record the experience. Walk into your living room, sit on the couch and don't move. Show me you updating your PC on demand and the BIOS etc.

Show us the process for updating your drivers, show us how you recover from a game crash.

All from your controller.

What moron sticks a PC on their wall lmao.

It's the same arsing about you get with other devices like VR or a proper DD sim racing wheel. If that makes you sad, it's up to you.

 

[OverHeat]

PS5 as so many updates that it’s almost like a PC…before saying I’m trolling. Here.

 

[64bitmodels]

PCs are big square boxes

they can be small square boxes



- sincerely, a SFF PC enthusiast

Spoiler

thank you overheat

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

PS5 as so many updates that it’s almost like a PC…before saying I’m trolling. Here.

Same PC case I use, love it

As far as updates go I just let me PS5 and Series X do all their tasks at night in the back ground so its ready to go when I grab the controller.

 

[Jayjayhd34]

I have a PC, but one main reason i could see why people stick to consoles. is if you have more friends on certain platform and you like to game with your friends.

 

[freefornow]

Couch, comfort, convenience.

 

[cormack12]

they can be small square boxes



- sincerely, a SFF PC enthusiast

Spoiler

thank you overheat

Yes, I know. From the same post

Then we get into the other argument of sff or micro atx which pushes prices higher and limits compatible/powerful hardware.

 

[64bitmodels]

Yes, I know. From the same post

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i may be stupid

(worth it for the gold though)

 

[cormack12]

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i may be stupid

I don't particularly care about the topic that much. I find it more frustrating because this is exactly what I tried to build recently, and still have the cash to do if it just worked. But it doesn't sadly.

So when people are saying yea it's possible without compromise, then show me. I want it to be true.

But ultimately still the same underlying problem with animations, logic/ai etc. No powerful components will fix those things.

 

[64bitmodels]

So when people are saying yea it's possible without compromise

It isn't possible without compromise but the compromise doesn't have to be great.

they're not going to be as feature complete as a tower or a micro atx. There is still compromise, i want to clarify this. however, a smaller case can still suit your needs pretty well, and at the very least be comparable in feature set to a similarly sized console. theyre capable of supporting larger and more powerful GPUs like the 4080, and most PC gamers likely don't have a GPU as good as that anyways

as for prices, cases like the coolermaster NR200 are pretty cheap at 90 bucks, and lian li a3 can be found for 70 on amazon, the same price as a modern AAA game. SFF doesnt always have to be expensive

my next build will 100% be using an SFF case as i prefer the compact size and look of them. SFF machines can be quite beautiful when they are arranged well.

i dont really care to debate on consoles vs PCs here, consoles will always be smaller (at the same specs) usually due to the bespoke hardware. i just wanted to point out that smaller computers are a very viable option in 2024 and they are some of the best IMO

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Same PC case I use, love it

As far as updates go I just let me PS5 and Series X do all their tasks at night in the back ground so its ready to go when I grab the controller.

Doesn’t that not work on XSX anymore since they disabled sleep mode in order to save the environment (lol)?

 

[mayham2199]

I’ve had no issues at all except when playing games from other launchers from within Steam, no play time logged or cover art shown (can be fixed). Can’t blame Valve for that though, the other launcher providers has to wake up and implement their own big picture modes, and Microsoft has to make life easier through Windows as well. A docked Steam Deck is the gold standard for user experience. Console+desktop in one device.

You're right the Steamdeck is the gold standard. IMO though you're wrong about Steam not being able to do anything about it. They can and in fact now is the time for them to step up and do it with every dev having come crawling back to them. They should ban all external launchers. You want to be on this store? No more launchers. Users login one time and that's that.

At most taketwo will leave but that's it no one else will leave that store.

 

[64bitmodels]

You're right the Steamdeck is the gold standard. IMO though you're wrong about Steam not being able to do anything about it. They can and in fact now is the time for them to step up and do it with every dev having come crawling back to them. They should ban all external launchers. You want to be on this store? No more launchers. Users login one time and that's that.

At most taketwo will leave but that's it no one else will leave that store.

The ideal solution. May I also pitch in banning external DRM (Denuvo) so that we don't have to deal with that trash either. AAA games would be so much faster and easier to hop into if they didn't try to enforce DRM and launchers when we already have a launcher

 

[ArtHands]

It seems the lack of proper reason really aligns with why console makers except Nintendo is investing more and more in the PC ecosystem

 

[Fess]

You're right the Steamdeck is the gold standard. IMO though you're wrong about Steam not being able to do anything about it. They can and in fact now is the time for them to step up and do it with every dev having come crawling back to them. They should ban all external launchers. You want to be on this store? No more launchers. Users login one time and that's that.

At most taketwo will leave but that's it no one else will leave that store.

Then it’s a closed platform and Valve can do whatever they want. Not a good solution. Plus it would take many years for other publishers to give up. Epic would probably never give up, could just as well end with them forcing devs to sell UE5 games exclusively on EGS.
It’s better to keep everything open, that way everybody who put up walls comes off looking like the bad guy and gets all the negative press.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I'm not going to start taking these guys seriously until they start including at least a kb/m in their builds. I'm not going to get into the whole debate over a monitor, but I will say that most people don't having a gaming monitor just lying around, while most people do have TVs already. And most people do not want to buy a PC to have it sit under their TV, that's just reality.

When you're getting into a monitor situation, you are going to have to start talking about audio unless it has built in speakers.

You also should PROBABLY include the price of a gamepad.

That they aren't including KB/M let alone a gamepad is pretty suspect, but it boils down to the fact that they know that's going to add an extra75-225 dollars depending on what KB/M you get and the quality of your gamepad.

It's like saying the PS5 Pro is 625 and removing the price of a controller... Hell, why not remove 10 dollars for an HDMI cable. Now we're looking at 615.

Some people argue things in such bad faith that you know they've already conceded the argument.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I'm not going to start taking these guys seriously until they start including at least a kb/m in their builds. I'm not going to get into the whole debate over a monitor, but I will say that most people don't having a gaming monitor just lying around, while most people do have TVs already. And most people do not want to buy a PC to have it sit under their TV, that's just reality.

When you're getting into a monitor situation, you are going to have to start talking about audio unless it has built in speakers.

You also should PROBABLY include the price of a gamepad.

That they aren't including KB/M let alone a gamepad is pretty suspect, but it boils down to the fact that they know that's going to add an extra75-225 dollars depending on what KB/M you get and the quality of your gamepad.

It's like saying the PS5 Pro is 625 and removing the price of a controller... Hell, why not remove 10 dollars for an HDMI cable. Now we're looking at 615.

Some people argue things in such bad faith that you know they've already conceded the argument.

Yep, the hoops and gymnastics that have to be followed to try and make them more comparable than they really are is entirely disingenuous. Nevermind the fact that to get to a PS5 Pro you have to skimp out with some pretty shitty, borderline unupgradeable parts to make the price reasonable; something almost nobody that is part of the PCMR crowd would ever do. They will ALWAYS tend to get higher quality components - similar to how someone renting probably won't furnish their place as nicely as someone buying a house will (and the homeowner will never factor that into their rent vs. buy analysis)

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Yep, the hoops and gymnastics that have to be followed to try and make them more comparable than they really are is entirely disingenuous. Nevermind the fact that to get to a PS5 Pro you have to skimp out with some pretty shitty, borderline unupgradeable parts to make the price reasonable; something almost nobody that is part of the PCMR crowd would ever do. They will ALWAYS tend to get higher quality components - similar to how someone renting probably won't furnish their place as nicely as someone buying a house will (and the homeowner will never factor that into their rent vs. buy analysis)

I don't know why they just don't make that argument. Like you're not going to win this argument on price, which is why it was ridiculous for people to suggest that 700 dollars was a bad price/value to begin with.

You could easily say once you're in the 700 dollar price point, you think it's worth putting more money into it to get features that you enjoy with PC gaming like free online e.t.c.

But their knee jerk arguments made PS5 Pro look even better...

 

[TerribleAtThisGame]

None of your business ho

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I mean I know why, because they don't believe in the merits of their argument, but they're also concerned with the potential erosion of their player base.

"I don't believe my own argument is persuasive enough, so instead, I will outright lie"

 

[Hero of Spielberg]

 

[reinking]

Is there any other hobby where people are so concerned about how other people spend their own money?

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Is there any other hobby where people are so concerned about how other people spend their own money?

It's this desperate and insecure need to be better in all aspects that permeates a certain type of gamer

 

[DaleinCalgary]

Is there any other hobby where people are so concerned about how other people spend their own money?

I mock my golfing buddies when they buy crap.

 

[mckmas8808]

It seems the lack of proper reason really aligns with why console makers except Nintendo is investing more and more in the PC ecosystem

 

[Astray]

They should ban all external launchers. You want to be on this store? No more launchers. Users login one time and that's that.

Easiest antitrust lawsuit of all time.

 

[gatti-man]

Show us. Record the experience. Walk into your living room, sit on the couch and don't move. Show me you updating your PC on demand and the BIOS etc.

Show us the process for updating your drivers, show us how you recover from a game crash.

All from your controller.

What moron sticks a PC on their wall lmao.

It's the same arsing about you get with other devices like VR or a proper DD sim racing wheel. If that makes you sad, it's up to you.

Drivers auto update. Literally use a Pc for Christ’s sake. This isn’t rocket science. Nvidia and MS both have an auto updater

There are flat cases that mount to your wall. They actually look cool as hell. Again ignorance speaks but never listens.

You don’t update your bios ever unless you’re having extreme issues it’s incredibly rare. Do you even know what a bios does?

VR again is pretty damn simple despite being crazy niche same with a sim wheel but I was talking about gaming not extreme niche setups.

Recover from a crash? What crash? I literally haven’t had a PC crash in years can’t even remember the last time. Games can crash you just reboot them pretty simple. Can you click a wireless mouse? When a PC crashes which is wild rare it just reboots. There is no recovery.

You clearly have never used a gaming PC in your life And yet people are liking your horrible post bc it sounds smart while in fact being pure misinformation/fear. Which is what I said in my original post. People like you just don’t understand and have unfounded fears about pc gaming.

 

[gatti-man]

I'm not going to start taking these guys seriously until they start including at least a kb/m in their builds. I'm not going to get into the whole debate over a monitor, but I will say that most people don't having a gaming monitor just lying around, while most people do have TVs already. And most people do not want to buy a PC to have it sit under their TV, that's just reality.

When you're getting into a monitor situation, you are going to have to start talking about audio unless it has built in speakers.

You also should PROBABLY include the price of a gamepad.

That they aren't including KB/M let alone a gamepad is pretty suspect, but it boils down to the fact that they know that's going to add an extra75-225 dollars depending on what KB/M you get and the quality of your gamepad.

It's like saying the PS5 Pro is 625 and removing the price of a controller... Hell, why not remove 10 dollars for an HDMI cable. Now we're looking at 615.

Some people argue things in such bad faith that you know they've already conceded the argument.

There is a pretty obvious reason why they don’t include kbm bc anyone that’s had a gaming PC uses their old stuff. That’s console brain speaking. Also PCs use the same TVs consoles do. I literally have mine run through my projector setup same as my tv watching. It’s simple as hell.

People don’t have them connected to their TVs bc computer monitors are faster and if you’re into competitive fps THEY ARE BETTER. It’s not bc they can’t connect or can’t fit . The gigantic amount of just wrong information console only gamers post in here is a riot. The same game pad you use on a console you use on Pc and most PC gamers have a game pad. Again old ones keep working so usually they have one laying around it’s a non cost.

In fact when you buy a new console it’s a whole sunk cost. When gamers buy a new computer it’s usually just a GPU. At most it’s a cpu/gpu/ram. We reuse everything else.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

In fact when you buy a new console it’s a whole sunk cost. When gamers buy a new computer it’s usually just a GPU. At most it’s a cpu/gpu/ram. We reuse everything else.

That isn't going to last you an entire console cycle, you will likely need to completely rebuild almost everything.

 

[gatti-man]

Nope, your opinions aren’t gospel, you’re free to have them. Absolutes don’t exist for preferences

Sounds like you just regularly use your pc, this don’t encounter those same issues you argue about in console

You don’t encounter updates with your console? Which console do you use then that doesn’t update? Yours has lightning fast updates? How so? I’d love to hear it I’ll test it on my X and ps5 then have a long laugh about your “opinion” being completely wrong.

 

[gatti-man]

That isn't going to last you an entire console cycle, you will likely need to completely rebuild almost everything.

LOL . A console cycle is 6 years you have zero clue what you’re talking about. Power supplies SSDs cases nothing goes bad in 6 years. I usually upgrade my whole platform every 6-8 years and upgrade my gpu every 3 years. PC cpus aren’t like console CPUs.

Your posts are why I said what I said. It’s just more proving my point that people don’t know wtf they are talking about and parrot stuff they heard or just make up nonsense vs actually pc game or listen to those of us that do.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

You don’t encounter updates with your console? Which console do you use then that doesn’t update? Yours has lightning fast updates? How so? I’d love to hear it I’ll test it on my X and ps5 then have a long laugh about your “opinion” being completely wrong.

No I don’t, generally, patches are updated automatically while my system is in rest mode (PS5). Unless they kick out an update while I’m playing a game at that exact moment, it’s not going to involve any effort on my end

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

LOL . A console cycle is 6 years you have zero clue what you’re talking about. Power supplies SSDs cases nothing goes bad in 6 years. I usually upgrade my whole platform every 6-8 years and upgrade my gpu every 3 years. PC cpus aren’t like console CPUs.

Your posts are why I said what I said. It’s just more proving my point that people don’t know wtf they are talking about and parrot stuff they heard or just make up nonsense vs actually pc game or listen to those of us that do.

A console cycle is 8 years or so. Any yes, eventually you will need to update the priciest of components to bring it up to the new standard. Power supplies, mobo, RAM, CPU, SSD…none of this stuff lasts a decade or longer generally if you want to keep your system at a higher end quality than what a console can provide

 

[Danjin44]

I’m more comfortable playing on consoles and there are still games I care about that either don’t come on PC or when do come out they come out very late, also I’m not graphic whore enough that I’m willing invest on PC.

 

[Crayon]

This thing with Xbox players fleeing to pc is funny. It's like a play to keep the console war going, at least in spirit.

 

[CitizenKratos]

Here are a few basic reasons.

1. I don’t want gaming to be like work. I don't want to tinker too much instead of playing the game. Settings, updates, bad ports.

2. I want the best price per spec. The only way I don’t pay far more for PC gaming is if I literally pirate a lot of stuff.

3. I want PlayStation exclusives. Even timed exclusives count to me.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

There is a pretty obvious reason why they don’t include kbm bc anyone that’s had a gaming PC uses their old stuff. That’s console brain speaking. Also PCs use the same TVs consoles do. I literally have mine run through my projector setup same as my tv watching. It’s simple as hell.

But that isn't a qualifier here. We're generally not talking about people who already have items to determine value here. If you already have a PC, you could also use your old hard drive and depending on your mobo you can just upgrade the parts. That's not the conversation we're having.

Most people don't connect their PCs to their TVs, this is just a fact and once you do, you're negating much of the benefits you're going to get with a PC gaming monitor.

People don’t have them connected to their TVs bc computer monitors are faster and if you’re into competitive fps THEY ARE BETTER. It’s not bc they can’t connect or can’t fit . The gigantic amount of just wrong information console only gamers post in here is a riot. The same game pad you use on a console you use on Pc and most PC gamers have a game pad. Again old ones keep working so usually they have one laying around it’s a non cost.

See above. When you have to qualify your argument, but you leave out the fact that you're qualifying it, it's called being disingenuous.

In fact when you buy a new console it’s a whole sunk cost. When gamers buy a new computer it’s usually just a GPU. At most it’s a cpu/gpu/ram. We reuse everything else.

You think people don't trade in their consoles?

You're fundamentally unserious. You want to turn this conversation into upgrading an existing PC but buying a PS5 Pro from scratch.

You can trade a PS5 in for 300 dollars, and then your upgrade cost is 400 dollars... That's still cheaper than a GPU. So much for your sunk cost.

 

[bitbydeath]

This thing with Xbox players fleeing to pc is funny. It's like a play to keep the console war going, at least in spirit.

It won’t last, they’re two very different devices which aren’t very comparable in function.

When SteamOS comes out for desktops it will be much more interesting, if anyone could give Linux a boost in popularity it will be Valve.

 

[Crayon]

It won’t last, they’re two very different devices which aren’t very comparable in function.

When SteamOS comes out for desktops it will be much more interesting, if anyone could give Linux a boost in popularity it will be Valve.

Oh yeah the xb-pc exodus ain't going to get much traction. It's more like an out for the hardcore fans.

 

[foamdino]

I have a PC for pc specific titles that work best with a keyboard/mouse (and I use it for work dev purposes). I also have a ps5 because I've always enjoyed japanese games and it has the majority of those released.

I can understand people wanting just a single device from cost reasons alone and in 7th gen I hardly touched consoles as the games were *awful*. Only came back to console games when the variety returned and we got away from western fps slop. (Halo/Destiny/CoD etc can go burn in hell for the total brain-rot they caused the industry for years)

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Only came back to console games when the variety returned and we got away from western fps slop. (Halo/Destiny/CoD etc can go burn in hell for the total brain-rot they caused the industry for years)

Indeed, the PS3/360 generation is the one I liked the least. Much prefer gaming now.

 

[cormack12]

Drivers auto update. Literally use a Pc for Christ’s sake. This isn’t rocket science. Nvidia and MS both have an auto updater

There are flat cases that mount to your wall. They actually look cool as hell. Again ignorance speaks but never listens.

You don’t update your bios ever unless you’re having extreme issues it’s incredibly rare. Do you even know what a bios does?

VR again is pretty damn simple despite being crazy niche same with a sim wheel but I was talking about gaming not extreme niche setups.

Recover from a crash? What crash? I literally haven’t had a PC crash in years can’t even remember the last time. Games can crash you just reboot them pretty simple. Can you click a wireless mouse? When a PC crashes which is wild rare it just reboots. There is no recovery.

You clearly have never used a gaming PC in your life And yet people are liking your horrible post bc it sounds smart while in fact being pure misinformation/fear. Which is what I said in my original post. People like you just don’t understand and have unfounded fears about pc gaming.

Show me. Show me you setting up scheduled updates with a controller and nothing else from your sofa. I see wireless mouse mentioned in there. What next, a keyboard.....next you'll be telling us you can't alt and tab either.

Holy shit at everything wrong in that post. Never updating your PC firmware, wtf. Amateur hour. Next you'll be saying GPUs don't have a BIOS.

Duh, PCs look cool on my wall though, bro I know where you're at

You're a PC evangelist. And you've been given enough reasons in this thread alone why there are annoying barriers and little benefit in getting a PC into the main living room despite all the 3rd party apps you can throw at it, keyboard and mouse hidden down the side of your sofa. AoM: Retold is a fantastic recent example of why you'd move from a console upstairs to your PC, and also why you don't wanna be sitting in the front room dragging a wireless mkb out to play.

Everyone knows about the buh-buh-buh-buh and most people are saying that aint enough. What's even worse is that you have PC players stanning for PC and abandoning the better control system for most PC games in order to use a controller. Wtf?!?! Superior experience though, am I right. How does that controller work on WoW with all the addons eh

 

[Hohenheim]

POV: you just told a PC gamer that you went to the movie theater with your friends instead of watching it from your pc.

I'm a PC gamer, and I go to the movies all the time.
I have never watched a movie on my PC.
I'm a freak of nature I suppose!

 

[ULTIMATEJSUTICE]

I want to actually own my games not a license. It’s the reason I don’t much on my PC unless it’s free to play. I can’t physically own my games and keep them for ever. It the main reason I like console. I’ve got games from 1997 I can pop in and still play. Most of my console games are disks unless I can’t get them on disk. I like I buy.

 

[Tommi84]

He (and his boses in Microsoft) still doesn't know WHY people play on consoles? Sheesh

 

[ULTIMATEJSUTICE]

Show me. Show me you setting up scheduled updates with a controller and nothing else from your sofa. I see wireless mouse mentioned in there. What next, a keyboard.....next you'll be telling us you can't alt and tab either.

Holy shit at everything wrong in that post. Never updating your PC firmware, wtf. Amateur hour. Next you'll be saying GPUs don't have a BIOS.

Duh, PCs look cool on my wall though, bro I know where you're at

You're a PC evangelist. And you've been given enough reasons in this thread alone why there are annoying barriers and little benefit in getting a PC into the main living room despite all the 3rd party apps you can throw at it, keyboard and mouse hidden down the side of your sofa. AoM: Retold is a fantastic recent example of why you'd move from a console upstairs to your PC, and also why you don't wanna be sitting in the front room dragging a wireless mkb out to play.

Everyone knows about the buh-buh-buh-buh and most people are saying that aint enough. What's even worse is that you have PC players stanning for PC and abandoning the better control system for most PC games in order to use a controller. Wtf?!?! Superior experience though, am I right. How does that controller work on WoW with all the addons eh

You could just do AV over IP and stream the games or get to a box that has steam OS which is managed by a controller. Not for the mainstream but it’s possible for set ups.

All in all it is superior in power and choice, the ability to choose what you want out of a game and the customisation. (Until the game is poorly optimised or have driver problems) Consoles are convenient and do the job that they are meant for. Remember it’s PC - personal computer.

 

[Pegasus Actual]

Is there any other hobby where people are so concerned about how other people spend their own money?

Yes, basically any hobby where you can spend money.

 

[cormack12]

It isn't possible without compromise but the compromise doesn't have to be great.

they're not going to be as feature complete as a tower or a micro atx. There is still compromise, i want to clarify this. however, a smaller case can still suit your needs pretty well, and at the very least be comparable in feature set to a similarly sized console. theyre capable of supporting larger and more powerful GPUs like the 4080, and most PC gamers likely don't have a GPU as good as that anyways

as for prices, cases like the coolermaster NR200 are pretty cheap at 90 bucks, and lian li a3 can be found for 70 on amazon, the same price as a modern AAA game. SFF doesnt always have to be expensive

my next build will 100% be using an SFF case as i prefer the compact size and look of them. SFF machines can be quite beautiful when they are arranged well.

i dont really care to debate on consoles vs PCs here, consoles will always be smaller (at the same specs) usually due to the bespoke hardware. i just wanted to point out that smaller computers are a very viable option in 2024 and they are some of the best IMO

Acceptable compromise will vary person to person yeah. But then equally PC is a compromise on size (yeah sff builds do exist but then you typically spend more or compromise on components, heat, power). We'll leave miniatx as 'niche'. The debate of PC versus console always goes to power first, when there are more factors at play - and the main response is those issues/barriers with PC are handwaved away. You might as well just chuck a load of components on the bed and compare them at that point.

Let's take this:

ROG NUC | Gaming desktops｜Mini PC | ROG - Republic of Gamers | ASUS UK

ROG NUC Mini PCs and kits from ASUS provides uncompromised performance with Intel® Core™ Ultra 9 and 7 processors (45W w/ dynamic PL1 up to 65W) and NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4070/4060 (115W + 25W Dynamic Boost) discrete graphics. Delivering the ultimate experience in gaming, creating and AI...

rog.asus.com

For the purposes of the argument lets forget the actual price tag on this and say I have one here. I want someone to explain how never using kbm to make it behave like a console, no third party apps, no mobile apps. I'm actually open to being shown which is the difference here.

Sitting in a chair and having one of those cushions for kbm based games is a horrible experience too:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Couchmaster-CYCON%C2%B2-Black-Gaming-Keyboard/dp/B00CCHRJ2Q/ref=asc_df_B00CCHRJ2Q/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=696285193871&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=11677891004265288787&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046501&hvtargid=pla-2281435177818&psc=1&mcid=69cb38afacac3806adc63883837ce2d7&hvocijid=11677891004265288787-B00CCHRJ2Q-&hvexpln=74&gad_source=1

And that logitech K400 is equally disingenuous, has anyone actually used them for games like BF, CS, WoW, RTS? No it's something you have to have to manage the system.

The argument between us all is a false argument because the question actually is:

Configure PC Gaming like a console experience.

And it turns into a:

You can play your games with better fr/res/pp and a controller.

debate. And that's why the Pro exists. For people who want more power but the console experience. I don't think anyone would argue pound for pound if you didn't care about the experience, form factor, simplicity you wouldn't take more power. But there is a limit to what PCs can fix with games and what they offer as simple toggle fixes is not really appealing given the tradeoffs.

 

[Thebonehead]

PS5 as so many updates that it’s almost like a PC…before saying I’m trolling. Here.

What case is that..

Looking for something with plenty of room for my next build.

4090 is a bit cramped in my nzxt

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

What case is that..

Looking for something with plenty of room for my next build.

4090 is a bit cramped in my nzxt

Thermaltake Core P3

I know you didn't ask me but I use the same case