Pretty sure it has only benefited one party twice.
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Jill Stein Launches Fundraising Effort To Ask For A Recount In 3 States
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Pretty sure it has only benefited one party twice.
whyamihere
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Here is a better use of your money than Jill "Look At Me!" Stein's hawking her wares for a recount that will go nowhere: donate to progressive Democratic Senators who live in swing states who are up for reelection in 2018 because EMILY's List is a nice reminder of the acronym Early Money Is Like Yeast:
Sherrod Brown (D-OH): https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/sbdefault?refcode=sherrodbrown.com
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI): https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/tbdefault?refcode=tammybaldwin.com
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI): https://stabenow.ngpvanhost.com/contribute
And Claire McCaskill (D-MO), who is more moderate than the others, yet fantastic in her own right: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/mccaskill-web?refcode=homepagebutton#_=_
Jill Stein sucks and this will not work.
Sherrod Brown (D-OH): https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/sbdefault?refcode=sherrodbrown.com
Tammy Baldwin (D-WI): https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/tbdefault?refcode=tammybaldwin.com
Debbie Stabenow (D-MI): https://stabenow.ngpvanhost.com/contribute
And Claire McCaskill (D-MO), who is more moderate than the others, yet fantastic in her own right: https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/mccaskill-web?refcode=homepagebutton#_=_
Jill Stein sucks and this will not work.
Literally all 4 times the EC has decided the President has been for a Republican over a Democrat.
Because people can't do both, right?
Reagan's BR
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First line. Waste of money. Election is over. None of the pipedreams people have are changing it.
JoeyJungle
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She said that between the two, she hoped that Trump would win.
whyamihere
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I mean, if you actually think that somewhere, somehow it is possible for a reocount to make up ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND VOTES over three states, sure. Go ahead. Waste your money instead of actually doing something proactive.
Not entirely true. If those results are counted with machines, results are transmitted online, or stored in a database somewhere, any point in that chain could have been hacked -- regardless of the existence of electronic voting machines. It would be very unlikely for none of that chain to be true today.
The chance of it happening is exceptionally tiny, but it *is* possible. They'd have to know all of the computer infrastructure along the way, etc.
I terms of political shitshows it would be second only to the civil war and reconstruction. I mean, who could even begin to spearhead such an overhaul?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Um, Electors were designed with the intent of going against the tallied result if they felt it necessary, do you not know why the EC was established?
Money can't really be wasted, it ends up in someone's pocket and eventually spent.
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I filled out a card, and put it through a machine to be read and counted.
whyamihere
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Spent by Jill Stein.
balladofwindfishes
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So if there were problems with counting the votes we might as well just give up and never solve them or figure out if they exist?
Yeah, and then in some town clerk's pocket who will make a mortgage payment or something.
Trump. If there were enough faithless electors that bruise his ego he'll push for reform. He has gone on record several times saying he doesn't like the Electoral College, even after he acknowledged it's how he won.
If all it does is cause more infighting between Republicans arguing over the integrity of the system and over Trump then my $11 donation was money damn well spent.
Unlikely (nearly impossible?) to delay the EC vote, so it'd literally have to be done before then (december 19th?) for the miniscule chance to even matter.
Um...no?
Smiles and Cries
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I wish we were recounting every State, I'll settle for these 3, I like this idea.
I never really read this computer conspiracy thing, I saw a thread and brushed it off
I just don't understand why so many think a recount is such a bad idea, if it ends the endless conspiracy crap why not do make sure.
A recount has a better chance of results being nearly identical if nothing went wrong so why the fuss? This is why people don't vote. They keep listening to other people saying what they are feeling does not matter or what they believe is wrong or has no chance.
If you believe this is a waste of money or time don't support it, but why actively tell others that do spend money or energy they are foolish?
I never really read this computer conspiracy thing, I saw a thread and brushed it off
I just don't understand why so many think a recount is such a bad idea, if it ends the endless conspiracy crap why not do make sure.
A recount has a better chance of results being nearly identical if nothing went wrong so why the fuss? This is why people don't vote. They keep listening to other people saying what they are feeling does not matter or what they believe is wrong or has no chance.
If you believe this is a waste of money or time don't support it, but why actively tell others that do spend money or energy they are foolish?
jimmypython
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So it has already passed Wisconsin's 1.1 million line (Friday deadline) (1.3 million now). Does it mean recount for Wisconsin is a go?
whyamihere
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There's just no conceivable way to find 60,000 votes for Hillary in PA. The results in PA especially match what you saw in IA/OH/MN when controlled for demographics and education.
Gonna be blunt, I doubt this changes much. It may - may - have a knock-on effect if serious enough irregularities are found and all the planets align correctly. Chances are abysmally low, but hey, the alternative is four years under Trump, so I'm not surprised in the least to see people grasping at straws. Frankly, if this were open to non-US residents, I'd be tempted to throw in a fiver just as a sort of Hail Mary.
But even if the impossible happens... what kind of presidency would this become? Late to the goal, voted into office by a paper thin margin, already conceded Hilary would be terribly weak - particularly with Trump fans and a fuming GOP hot on her heels throughout her entire presidency. I'd be surprised if she even found the energy to accept such a "victory". That'd be four years of sheer and utter hell.
Oh well. At least it will be popcorn material, no matter the outcome.
But even if the impossible happens... what kind of presidency would this become? Late to the goal, voted into office by a paper thin margin, already conceded Hilary would be terribly weak - particularly with Trump fans and a fuming GOP hot on her heels throughout her entire presidency. I'd be surprised if she even found the energy to accept such a "victory". That'd be four years of sheer and utter hell.
Oh well. At least it will be popcorn material, no matter the outcome.
Calamari41
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If that's the true intent behind this, we need to recount in every state
gamechanger87
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Trump can't change shit. Requires constitional amendment or 2/3rds of the states. Many of which are small and benefit from the EC.
This isn't happening.
A lawyer with Stein's campaign told the state she would be formally requesting a recount by Friday's deadline, said Michael Haas, administrator of the Wisconsin Elections Commission. The commission took the notification seriously enough to tell municipal clerks to estimate their costs.
EDIT: I'm not sure why she listed PA. I think the deadline for a recount came and went this past Sunday.
The only state that changes is WI when its uncontrolled. MI and PA dont
whyamihere
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I didn't say MI just because 10,000 is fairly close and there was a huge undervote and conceivably, something could have been miscounted with that small of a margin.
Reagan's BR
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Sounds like an argument for trickle down economics.
If there is something up then that is a different story but even if this gives Hillary another state (not likely-see 538 article) and they were both under 270 then it still goes to house to decide and they will choose Trump.
I don't want to see a world where minorities are treated poorly and where white supremacy is a mainstream idea. At this point Trump has been elected and we either deal with it and move on or we waste time playing Monday morning Quarterback.
He doesn't have to change anything. He just has to cause enough noise to make people doubt it, hate it, and watch it crumble.
But that's not the point. I agree, Clinton isn't going to win due to this recount. But there are credible reasons to assume that the results as we know them are not completely accurate. And you can't have that. Mistakes & problems (intentional and unintentional) need to be found so they can be corrected in the future. It's clear that lots of areas are dealing with voting systems that aren't up to the task, and vulnerable to tampering.
We need to know where those problems are, exactly what they are and how they can be prevented in coming elections. That's a very valid reason for doing this.
But yes, there's not going to be a Clinton in the White House. But saying you're against recounts (which, of course, should absolutely be mandatory, and it's absolutely baffling to me that it's not standard in a developed country) is weird to me. There's no downside at all to this.
FWIW, those two aren't mutually exclusive.
Just stating what Silver said.
whyamihere
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Yes, me saying that I'm against recounts would be weird to you because it's not something that I said.
Smiles and Cries
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I said this was worth the popcorn pages ago, it really is a no fuss move
If by some bizarre outcome Hillary turns these 3 States we would be in a shit ton lot more trouble than a weak sauce late pick it would be insane no end drama even violent riots come on man it would be INSANE EPIC shit so of course I would not expect that outcome
The process here is a positive though even for the price of popcorn
let me put it this way, the $11 I donated feels like I did much more for the process than the vote I casted in Connecticut
Its how the economy works. Trickle down is a very misguided theory on the governments role in how you keep the money cycling through the economy.
Who is wasting time? Whose time? Yours? Obama's? Trumps? What is being put off by doing these recounts? Nobody is going to have to drop anything to pay the necessary people to carry out these recounts. This is such a weird complaint to me.
If you consider it a waste of your own time, it's easy enough to avoid news articles about it until something definite turns up.
Sorry about that. Mixed you up with another poster. Completely my bad, apologies.
Calamari41
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10k is a small margin when you're talking about the difference that altered campaign tactics could swing, but it is an absolutely massive gulf when you're talking about the counting error that could be exposed by a recount.
10,000 is only small in relation to how many voted, 10,000 is a huge fucking number to overcome realistically and is impossible really to make up in a recount.
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Jpop
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This is gonna hit 2.5m before tomorrow's end.
Great move publicity wise on Jill's part.
Great move publicity wise on Jill's part.
whyamihere
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jimmypython
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WOW...What a year that is 2016....
Garrett Hawke
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Say it did happen and all three states flipped (lol), could trump demand a recount? If it flipped back to trump, could it just go on and on or would the EC just vote anyway?
Is this the secret to a 12 year Obama administration?
Is this the secret to a 12 year Obama administration?
Well, let's say you give 10 to each... Just give 20 to the other. The money will actually go towards something useful.
Smiles and Cries
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it is slowing down a bit, everyone will be traveling tomorrow or busy I wonder if over the weekend they can reach the rest
they only needed 1.1m for WI the other two states have a few more days buffer
DontBeThatGuy
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The hell is Jill "I'd prefer Trump over Hillary" Stein even doing? She really is opportunist as fuck.
I read the deadline for PA is Monday.
House would put Trump in like it or not.
I think in PA stein would have to prove her vote was harmed which is fruitless
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