Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
All I know is they better put elder scrolls 6 and doom and any potential actually good Spyro and Crash on ps
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Jim's Legacy: (LTD) PS5 59.3 m | (YTD) PS5 4.5m, NSW 1.96m, XBS 0.8 m; Profit G&NS 700$ m , Nintendo $426 m, Activision ($350)
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
The issue is it's slowing down going into Year 4, so unless PS5 Pro can meaningfully change the system's sales trajectory, it's peaked earlier than it should have. Which means a successor is coming probably a year or so earlier than expected.
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Roronoa Zoro
Gold Member
Honestly gta6 may help change the trajectory especially if they get it $100 down by then
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vivftp
Member
The PS5 just had a peak year that surpassed anything the PS4 achieved. Even though Sony projected 18 million for the next FY, I think it's a conservative estimate and it'll be revised upwards as this FY continues. My reasoning for why I think the PS5 will surpass the PS4 lifetime sales:
1) The PS4 already had its Pro launch by this point in its gen, the PS5 still has that to come this holiday, and it's currently only about 800-900k behind
2) I think the PS5 will get a price cut to correlate with the Pro launch this holiday
3) The PS4 had its GTA launch around the start of its gen, which gave a massive boost to its desirability. The PS5 still has to receive its GTA
4) By all accounts, the PS5 gen is likely to go until 2028 which means it'll last 1 year longer than the PS4 gen did.
The PS5 is already keeping pace quite well with the PS4 without a Pro and without any price cuts, while selling for a notable higher amount. That's on top of the troubles it faced the first couple of years with supply issues. The latter half of this gen is gonna be an avalanche of heavy hitter titles from SIE, add that to the above reasoning I posted, and I think it's very safe to say that the PS5 will obliterate the PS4 lifetime sales. Plus the PS4 was cut off prematurely due to supply issues and the need to focus on the PS5 due to the pandemic, the PS5 very well might see a healthier tail as we go into the PS6 gen.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Amazing quarter for Sony
This is kids now. Get them a great pc. I did with my daughter and she loves it.
Ita just the way its going.
This is kids now. Get them a great pc. I did with my daughter and she loves it.
Ita just the way its going.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
Amazing device. Pretty much use it exclusively.
Kerotan
Member
Do Nintendo and MS not do it?
Woopah
Member
MS, Sony and Nintendo all report physical third party revenue in the same way (only including royalties).
For digital third party revenue, Nintendo continues reporting only royalties. But both Sony and MS report 100% of the revenue as their own.
Kerotan
Member
Nintendo should too. I wonder what their revenue would increase by if they did.
Woopah
Member
Probably a noticeable amount, but the effect would not be as much as it is for Sony and MS.
Woopah
Member
Peaking in a console's third year is fairly common, so I don't think this means much for the successor.
nial
Member
No? PS2 and PS4 also peaked in their fourth fiscal years (1999-2002, 2013-2016 and 2020-2023).
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no, they line up, 2016 was ps4 peak, much like 2023 is likely the PS5's peak,
and 1999 for the ps2 was 3 weeks in Japan only, fy 2000 was the first year worldwide for ps2
ps5's doing just fine, sony just made the same incorrect assumption many tech companies made that the COVID boom wouldn't stop. anyone, well I did at least, could see a mile away they wouldn't hit 25 million, but just shy of 21 million is great,
anyway, I'm going to say neither GTA (it's going to launch with 80 million plus PS5s sold if 2025 and over 90 million if 2026)
and the pro only accounted for like 10% of all ps4s it isn't going to reignite the height of ps5 demand, (though I'm sure scalpers will make a nuisance out of themselves)
anyway I still say the ps5 will end up within 10% of the ps4 (so lowest 108 million, max 132 million), though with I did think ms would potentially eat into Sony's share, but I grossly underestimated ineffective ms gaming management is, Bethesda should have gotten them a 10 million unit swing in their favor, but managed to botch it) and Activision acquisition probably killed xbox
I believe is misread your post, yes I agree ps5's decline is totally normal
darrylgorn
Member
Basically, on track to repeat last gen's performance.
Luminoth-4545
Member
FY21/22
NSW: 23.06m
PS5: 11.5m
XBS: 9.5m est
PS4: 1.0m
Total: 45.06m
FY22/23
PS5: 19.1m
NSW: 17.97m
XBS: 8.2m est
Total: 45.27m
FY 23/24
PS5: 20.9m
NSW: 15.7m
XBS: 7.2m est
Total: 43.8m
FY 24/25
PS5: 18.0m forecast
NSW: 13.5m forecast
XBS: 5.5m?
Total: 37.0m
Combined hardware was only down by around 1.5 million year over year but for this current fiscal year it could be down by 7 million.
NSW: 23.06m
PS5: 11.5m
XBS: 9.5m est
PS4: 1.0m
Total: 45.06m
FY22/23
PS5: 19.1m
NSW: 17.97m
XBS: 8.2m est
Total: 45.27m
FY 23/24
PS5: 20.9m
NSW: 15.7m
XBS: 7.2m est
Total: 43.8m
FY 24/25
PS5: 18.0m forecast
NSW: 13.5m forecast
XBS: 5.5m?
Total: 37.0m
Combined hardware was only down by around 1.5 million year over year but for this current fiscal year it could be down by 7 million.
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I've always said ps4 +/- 10%,
Though with Microsofts inability to punch their way out of a wet paper bag, im leaning to about 5% above ps4 ending around 130 million
Unknown?
Member
Xbox will likely be at 5 million. 4 million of those being in North America.
AyraSutoraifu
Member
I am on the verge of purchasing it every time, it's that I have my own mancave with a big TV otherwise I would have ordered it a long time ago.
LiquidMetal14
hide your water-based mammals
Imagine when Sony starts releasing their new tier of games. All their major 1st part devs are reloading. That should excite people.
It's also amazing how this supposed SW drought hasn't affected them because they still have exclusives and PC/PS5 exclusives. It's as if they know what they're doing.
It's also amazing how this supposed SW drought hasn't affected them because they still have exclusives and PC/PS5 exclusives. It's as if they know what they're doing.
AncientOrigin
Member
It will easily pass it once the pro and GTA 6 are out
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
They're hyping up the May 23 corporate strategy meeting. I wonder why. 
demigod
Member
7.2m xbox last year seems way too high.
TheGodfather07
Member
Didn't someone leak numbers and it was 5.3m? Your right, there's no chance it was 7m last year.
Regarding PS5 passing PS4, I think it will because still no price cut, no pro model, no GTA VI and there's gonna be an influx of Sony first party software. PS5 will have a much better tail end than PS4 did because of these factors.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
It's because kids are into watching Twitch and where do Twitch streamers play? On PC.
I'm sure when it releases, Sony will be sending free PS5 Pros to twitch and youtube streamers to try and get them to play more on console, but there are still just some games that aren't available on console like Valorant.
So I think ultimately, Sony has to work on a lot of integrations with things like Twitch, Youtube, and Discord, but they probably have an uphill battle there.
Angry_Megalodon
Member
They're hyping up the May 23 corporate strategy meeting. I wonder why.
It will open with Bloodborne 2 + From Sofrware / Kadokawa acquisition.
It will end with a girl in a bunny outfit announcing a new AAAA studio to make JRPGs.
Woopah
Member
It's because there is no SW drought. That's just a myth people are peddling for some reason.
Moriarty1889
Member
They utter those words because misery loves company. Xbox fans are among the most miserable in the world right now with everything Xbox related.
TheGodfather07
Member
Exactly. Software is software. Doesn't matter whether its 1st party or 3rd party. It's a stupid narrative.
Woopah
Member
In the first 4 months PS5 has had first party exclusives, third party exclusives and multiplats, with a mixture of new IP and big franchises.
It's had it all.
Roman Empire
Member
A PC for his age is much more entertaining. Lil fella can be on a discord call with mates, zoom meeting for class, and doing other side stuff in-between. It's very tempting for kid of their age. If used well, it can be a versatile tool, but don't forget the many pitfalls of multi-tasking and reduced attention spans that can come with it.
You can give your champ one beefy PC, but gotta teach internet etiquette to him. He will probably find annoying if you meddle with it, but I'm sure you'll find a smart solution
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Moriarty1889
Member
As I have said before, old Jim is sitting at his favorite pub right now and sipping on his preferred drink. He is smiling thinking about how he completely obliterated Xbox and forced them to become a meek sheepish third party dev. Job well done Jim.
Luminoth-4545
Member
Ampere had it at 7.6 million for calendar year 2023. My estimates are based of the decline in hardware revenue year over year and because of the leaks from the FTC/Activision court case we know what it sold up to the end of 2022.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
I got my 4-year old daughter a Nintendo Switch and she LOVES it. No gaming PCs here.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yup. Switch is perfect for a 4 year old. Tell me how things are going when she gets to like 12 or 13.
Teens and Video Games Today
85% of U.S. teens say they play video games. They see both positive and negative sides, from making friends to harassment and sleep loss.
www.pewresearch.org
Popularity of online games continues to grow as pandemic restrictions subside, according to Ofcom
New report from Ofcom looks at who plays online games in the UK, how long people play games in the UK for, what are the most popular games in the UK and which devices people in the UK play on.
ukie.org.uk
Consoles are more popular than pcs with teens in the US and UK
If a child stops playing on consoles, smartphones are the more likely exchange
Weird how pcmrs always seem to be mysteriously surround by children that slobber over pcs
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Then she'll be playing on a Switch 3 or Playstation 6.