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Joe Staten was fired from 343i did not leave on is own…
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
This company has no right firing anyone with their current workforce lmao
Complistic
Member
They basically already did. They fired the management and laid off a lot of the people working there.
The guy running it now is the same guy that fixed the MCC. IMO it's basically already a new studio.
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STARSBarry
Gold Member
Iv just given up at this point, if you want Halo to change stop playing infinite. If you want shitty medicore games keep playing it, it's that simple.
You can try to justify that if you like, but if you keep playing you are literally justifying all these things Microsoft has done.
You can try to justify that if you like, but if you keep playing you are literally justifying all these things Microsoft has done.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
The Smashing Pumpkins started releasing crap once Billie Corgan turned 40. Joe Staten probably hit the same wall.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
Well, this is diversity for you: people who hate videogames, the IPs they are working on, and their fanbase. What could possibly go wrong?
Morrie’s wig shop
Member
I hope it’s because he came with cock in hand and told everyone in that office that they are bunch of shitbags ate the the fuck up like a soup sandwich.
TheShocker
Member
And one of their producers went on some bitch mode rant about how he couldn’t work on a ‘modern shooter’ because it uses real guns and he gets scared. But Halo was Sci-fi enough to disassociate from mass killings.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Don't you mean, they have no right not to fire everyone? The studio is fucked. They need to let everyone go and move Halo over to The Coalition.
Joe was probably fired because he was straight white male and/or not woke enough.
BlackTron
Member
I mean I play it, but never spent a cent on it. And this isn't something where they make money just because you showed up, there are no ads in the game. I'd hang my head in shame if I ever purchased a skin or something though lol
StueyDuck
Member
isn't this the guy they hired to save the franchise?
STARSBarry
Gold Member
The problem is your creating fodder for the people who do pay. Yes your less or an issue, but your still helping create an environment that allows the people who do spend to play the game if that makes sense.
I think to a certain point it's fine, as players can leverage the threat of leaving. However it feels like Microsoft just don't work with the playerbase in good faith anymore. So the only option left is for people to start walking.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
save Halo Infinite. and with save, it meant: ship the damn thing
OverHeat
« generous god »
StueyDuck
Member
exactly, seems weird to be booting him already.
OverHeat
« generous god »
No where did it say he was fired from Microsoft
Cert.in.Death
Member
Who are we blaming foremost for the failings of 343i?
Bonnie Ross, Kiki Wolfkill, Joe Staten, Matt Booty, Phil Spencer? Or do we fault Nadella and call it a day?
Bonnie Ross, Kiki Wolfkill, Joe Staten, Matt Booty, Phil Spencer? Or do we fault Nadella and call it a day?
ReBurn
Gold Member
Being moved to another job at Microsoft is not getting fired.
intbal
Member
Ross is the one who made hiring based on diversity rather than merit a priority.
Nadella is the one doesn't give two shits about games and wants the world to worship him as the AI Messiah.
Wolfkill oversaw the disaster of live action Halo.
NeoGaf thinks Spencer is the devil incarnate.
Booty is a goober who frequently spouts off without a sufficient filter.
Pick your poison.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Mommy Ross was in charge of the studio from day one (or close to it) and was in charge as Halo devolved from one of the biggest franchises in anything with 10/10 games, to B-tier at best, that can't communite with its fans or release a game on time that makes fans happy, or keep lore consistent, or maintain a live service game, or make a battle pass that people want to play.
I don't know why he was fired but I assume he was getting paid a TON of money because he basically was brought in to triage Shitfinite and get it out the door when the company was desperate, and maybe they just didn't want to keep paying that because, again, Halo is a B-tier franchise now.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Huh? Like, wtf does this have to do w anything
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
The title of the video literally says he was fired, dude. Like, c’mon.
OverHeat
« generous god »
From 343i…c’mon
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
343 is a wholly owned subsidiary of Microsoft what on earth is the difference and why would the distinction matter?
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
It’s crazy that 343i survived their little purge. Burn it down and let id make a halo game in 10 years.
sodstall
Member
Yeah he really got "kojima-fied" by 343 at the end there, trying to emphasize his presence a little too much. I dont see the IGN unfiltered interview brought up enough but his story about being called in after that first gameplay reveal really sunk my gut at the time.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Their actual output hasn't been bad, it's the studio leadership and mismanagement ever since Halo 5 that has led to where they are now. Halo 4 was well-received and critically praised, and sold very well. Had a lot of old Retro Studios Metroid Prime trilogy alum on it. And then they spent too much time on and prolonged how long it took to get MCC to where it needed to be, which I think adversely impacted new Halo output since 4 (Again, mismanagement).
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Daneel Elijah
Member
He was one of the people that wanted to make story/single player campaign DLC ? When that was declined his future was in doubt already so him being "fired" was a logical choice from a certain point of view.
Not a Halo player, but I read a few stories in the Halo universe and he helped create a great Sci fi IP, and should be praised for it.
Not a Halo player, but I read a few stories in the Halo universe and he helped create a great Sci fi IP, and should be praised for it.
Gamer_By_Proxy
Member
Smashing Pumpkins started releasing crap when they started releasing music.
It's more like RHCP.
diffusionx
Gold Member
Their output has been bad, especially by the standards of this series.
Halo 4 - singleplayer was fine, not great, but multiplayer was really unpopular and bombed
MCC - complete disaster, took like four years to fix
Halo 5 - total disaster, everyone hated it in singleplayer, in multiplayer it was fine, but didnt' go anywhere and was quickly forgotten
Infinite - what else is there to say about Infinite. Singleplayer was a cobbled together mess, multiplayer played ok but as a service was a complete mess for over a year by which point everyone moved on. This was for a game that they got a blank check to make, tons of time, made a new engine, was designed to launch with new hardware, etc.
They've also shown no ability to continue with the story of the franchise, the TV show was a disaster, and bottom line, Halo is basically irrelevant. While obviously leadership deserves a lot of blame for this (can't tell you how many times I read from Ross that 343 learned from this and that, only to make the same mistake again), a failure of this magnitude falls on everyone.
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Dr. Wilkinson
Member
Off-topic here, but I imagine it's hard to write about the same stuff that was relevent to you in your teens & 20s when you're living the high life with a 100' heated pool at your mansion in Malibu with a chef that cooks for you, with $15 million just sitting in your checking account.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Creative output plummets post 40 for most people. Joe Staten likely in the Zeitgeist era of his career.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
It does? Is that like a personal opinion or is it like something that's documented somewhere, based on behavioral and cognitive research
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Think about the creative fields and notice when a person's seminal work gets released. It's late 20s, early 30s. Not many artists peak at age 52. Joe Staten should be harvested for organs. He's done what he can do.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
I feel like that's more a product of not needing to try as hard because you've already achieved success. Not necessarily due to just age itself.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Regardless...if Joseph Staten isn't unconscious in a bathtub filled with ice...we riot.
Sushi_Combo
Member
They need people who hate the Halo universe apparently
phant0m
Member
MCC took basically all of last gen to fix and tbh it still isn’t, at this point they gave up and it is what it is.
Halo 2 online co-op has AWFUL stuttering and frame drops even on XSX.
You still can’t play Halo Reach co-op (and I think ODST) on PC with someone playing on console.
hyperbertha
Member
Grr martin and Craig Mullins would disagree. Many mangakas would disagree. You really are just all about clickbait aren't you?
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