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John Wick: Chapter 2 |OT| I Know Gun Fu
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BlueTsunami
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The downtempo track was def highly effective. Subverts the notion you need high octane tracks for those type of scenes.
SolidChamp
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Meh.
http://www.vox.com/2017/2/8/14487112/john-wick-rules
I said "classic", most people agree, that's all that matters to me. You do you.
A tv series could work but it has so many hurdles to get over in order to be as good as it should be.
As for the discussion of other recent action greats, I'm not as high on Dredd. It's excellent but the novelty of doing an uncompromising Dredd movie carries a lot of it. There's not much in the execution of action that stacks up to what Mad Max, Wick, and Raid 1 and 2 have done.
As for Fast and Furious, the last couple I would more just compare to superhero action to be honest.
As for the discussion of other recent action greats, I'm not as high on Dredd. It's excellent but the novelty of doing an uncompromising Dredd movie carries a lot of it. There's not much in the execution of action that stacks up to what Mad Max, Wick, and Raid 1 and 2 have done.
As for Fast and Furious, the last couple I would more just compare to superhero action to be honest.
Peoples opinions shouldn't matter much to you.
I tend to agree. I really enjoy Dredd, but the quality of its action scenes do not reach the aforementioned.
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k i might need to go see this tomorrow night instead of this weekend
Messofanego
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Ehh, I wish the action scenes in The Equaliser were shot in a more interesting manner than the typical quick cuts and confusing space. I like the Sherlock-ness to the character, but the cinematography with the quick cuts aren't up to snuff, especially when you compare to Guy Ritchie's Sherlock movies (fight club, forest chase, Moriarty fight). The only action in that movie that had good spatial awareness is the diner kill.
Denzel had better action in The Book Of Eli, with much longer cuts.
Friday night for me hnnnngghhh the wait sucks
Darth Pinche
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Sweet! I have a business trip coming up this weekend and needed something to do Monday night! Baba Yaga it is!!!
BlueTsunami
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We officially Fury Road!
Fair enough.
I give John Wick the credit for better action scenes, visuals, and world building.
sixteen-bit
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Any idea if OG John Wick will come to Netflix or Amazon Prime video soon? Would love to see it before the original.
Killing_Joke
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Wow. Even though i love the first one i'm shocked. Seems to be tracking well too despite heavy competition.
Doubt it.
Good news is if you live in a place with Redbox you can rent it for 1.50 which is still cheaper than most places.
I know they brought back JW to Redbox in time for the movies
SolidChamp
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I think we've exhausted that debate. At least for my part I've established that one is widely regarded as a classic, while the other is not.
I'm cool with people preferring whichever movie they want. They could prefer Thor 2 and I'd be cool with it.
Equalizer is a classic?I think we've exhausted that debate. At least for my part I've established that one is widely regarded as a classic, while the other is not.
I'm cool with people preferring whichever movie they want. They could prefer Thor 2 and I'd be cool with it.
More_Badass
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How many reviews do movies usually settle at? Usually you get a bunch of early reviews that bring the rating up high, but then the major sites even things out.
But considering that the major sites already have their reviews up, that would be really impressive if John Wick 2 stays that high
BlueTsunami
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Yeah, we're still early in the RT game. For comparison Fury Road is over 300 reviews at 97%
Give it couple of months
SolidChamp
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Since you asked, this article (one of many I could continue to post) talks about the influences, styles, and elements that come together to make The Equalizer an "instant classic":
http://screenrant.com/john-wick-2-sequel-facts-trivia-keanu-reeves/?view=all
I can keep posting articles, if you like. There's about a half-dozen from various film sites. It's not just a bunch of movie poster "buzz words". Each of these articles provides an analysis of what Wick does so well, on an objective level in terms of filmmaking craft.
I firmly believe that, when it comes to cinema, there's personal preference (which is all that matters, in the end), and then an objective look at what is technically considered "good filmmaking". I don't enjoy Citizen Kane, on a subjective level, but objectively I have to acknowledge it's status as a classic masterpiece for the influence it holds in the craft.
You just said it yourself that you acknowledge the things Wick does better than The Equalizer, which are the things that really matter in action cinema. So objectively, you've acknowledged the elements that help to elevate it to "classic" status.
Okay, now I'm really done with this debate. I promise.
It's important to look at the average rating along with the %. JW2 has a 7.5 rating which is solid, but could lead to that % dropping a few points down to the low 90s. Just for a comparison, Rogue Nation is 93% fresh along with a 7.5 average rating on 259 reviews.
However the positive reviews so far makes the possibility of 90% or better very high.
A dozen articles calling it a classic means it is widely considered a classic? Lol at bringing up a real classic like citizen Kane. DeadSince you asked, this article (one of many I could continue to post) talks about the influences, styles, and elements that come together to make The Equalizer an "instant classic":
http://screenrant.com/john-wick-2-sequel-facts-trivia-keanu-reeves/?view=all
I can keep posting articles, if you like. There's about a half-dozen from various film sites. It's not just a bunch of movie poster "buzz words". Each of these articles provides an analysis of what Wick does so well, on an objective level in terms of filmmaking craft.
I firmly believe that, when it comes to cinema, there's personal preference (which is all that matters, in the end), and then an objective look at what is technically considered "good filmmaking". I don't enjoy Citizen Kane, on a subjective level, but objectively I have to acknowledge it's status as a classic masterpiece for the influence it holds in the craft.
You just said it yourself that you acknowledge the things Wick does better than The Equalizer, which are the things that really matter in action cinema. So objectively, you've acknowledged the elements that help to elevate it to "classic" status.
Okay, now I'm really done with this debate. I promise.
Most film buffs don't obsess over reviews like you do. Learn to call it quits man instead of derailing the thread. XD
More_Badass
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Pretty much. If reviews were the measure, The Thing and The Shining were merely mediocre movies when they released
Quality and time decide if something is a classic. Not reviews
SolidChamp
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Hey don't look at me. You're the staunch detractor here who keeps coming back for more despite your lukewarm "meh" attitude towards the film.
You keep getting all pissy every time I support my claims of it being a "classic action film", giving me absolutely nothing to go on by writing my citations off as "an obsession with reviews" (those were ARTICLES I posted, structured to incite discussion; they are not reviews, if you'd actually care to read). I'm fostering discussion in a debate about what one action film does better than the other. It's relevant because John Wick, like Fury Road or The RAID, is keeping the genre alive, and it's being talked about because of the sequel.
You've done nothing to counter my points, so the only person derailing the thread with "lol obsessed, lol Citizen Kane", is you.
Move on. This little verbal joust scores in my favor.
enigmatic_alex44
Whenever a game uses "middleware," I expect mediocrity. Just see how poor TLOU looks.
I'm excited to see this but really?
People comparing this to Mad Max: Fury Road? Doubt it.
People comparing this to Mad Max: Fury Road? Doubt it.
SolidChamp
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Both films have remained in the popular conversation about the genre over the last few years.
Add those to The Raid, along with Dredd, and these are the films people have talking about for 5 years when discussing the action genre.
It's all about the discussion and the influences these films have had.
BlueTsunami
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Is it that big of a leap if its better then the first? I was being hyperbolic in my posts though. But it could be the Fury Road of martial arts gun flicks.
Hero_of_the_Day
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Just finished the 4k bluray of the first. So fucking good. Can't wait for this weekend.
Ty. You phrased better than I could
I gave john wick a 4/5 when I first saw it and plan to see the second this weekend. I wouldn't be in this thread if I didn't like the movie lol.
SolidChamp
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Ah, fair enough. I thought you were in here just "meh'ing" your way through discussion.
My bad, on that point.
The RT % is fooling some people. The average rating of JW2 is nowhere close to Fury Road.
The only one who can decide if this is better than any other film is the viewer. Someone else's review shouldn't decide for anyone.
Lol. If you scroll back I have not dismissed anyone's viewpoints and actually agreed with a lot of the posters here when they presented there wick>equalizer argument
SolidChamp
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Yeah, I'm seeing an average rating of 8/10 for JW2.
Just got out of an advance screening of this.
I'd say the action was more enjoyable than the first film, and it's pretty much non stop.
The real star of this film for me though, is the absolutely incredible VFX work used removing the camera from reflections. They do this A LOT in this film, and it is one of my favourite movie magic tricks in existence.
Technically speaking, this film was amazingly shot.
I'd say the action was more enjoyable than the first film, and it's pretty much non stop.
The real star of this film for me though, is the absolutely incredible VFX work used removing the camera from reflections. They do this A LOT in this film, and it is one of my favourite movie magic tricks in existence.
Technically speaking, this film was amazingly shot.
And here I thought I was the only one that noticed that! Yeah the song was awesome and I liked how he was just silently assassinating dudes to the song... honestly the "silent assassination" part of that scene should be longer, show more stealth kills to the mellow music.
March of the Crabs
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This is in my top 3 action movies ever. Completely blew me away. Already have tickets to see it again.
The pencil!!!
It's available on Netflix Canada. Perhaps it will make its way to other countries.
Better than the raid 1 and 2?
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