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[pinkurocket]

I just wanna say I think it's hilarious people got all up in arms over Jon using 'retarded' as an insult months and months after Jon coined 'cumfaggots' to be the fanclub name of Game Grumps when he was part of them. Don't people realize his humor is of an offensive nature?

 

[Spineker]

So did Quinn say anything about Jon or to him to trigger this? Because I heard they had a bit of a run in awhile ago.

Also, I don't really like how Quinn implies that she stands for all women by saying "What women are you supporting exactly?"

 

[TimmiT]

I do think it's dumb that people are shitting so much on Jon when all he really did is say some bad words and say an opinion people disagree with. Is that seriously something worthy of being pissed off about?

Not saying that Jon is right, but it's not like he did something so terrible that it deserves so much attention.

 

[Stitch]

Oh I was hoping for a new JonTron Episode but it's just some Internet Drama. Meh.

But at least that comic was pretty funny.

 

[Jobbs]

I do think it's dumb that people are shitting so much on Jon when all he really did is say some bad words and say an opinion people disagree with. Is that seriously something worthy of being pissed off about?

Not saying that Jon is right, but it's not like he did something so terrible that it deserves so much attention.

he posted a really disgusting comic depicting a real person who actually exists... how about if someone did that to your wife? or sister? or mother? what we say and do matters. people see it and hear it and it affects them.

Oh I was hoping for a new JonTron Episode but it's just some Internet Drama. Meh.

But at least that comic was pretty funny.

really?

 

[NotLiquid]

So did Quinn say anything about Jon or to him to trigger this? Because I heard they had a bit of a run in awhile ago.

Also, I don't really like how Quinn implies that she stands for all women by saying "What women are you supporting exactly?"

Jon was paired up with Quinn at Game Jam and out of all the people involved, they were the only ones who had an actual head-on confrontation. Jon wanted to resolve their differences off stage to avoid any drama getting caught on tape since he recognized the ramifications, least of all which was the possibility of her getting vilified by people for having beef with him. But the director who was only interested in making a drama-fueled reality show brought all the cameras with to catch their off-stage argument as well, which only served to piss both of them off and was another factor in the project failing.

Whatever beef it was it's clear that Jon's stance on the matter was basically "she's not worth the trouble".

 

[Htown]

I do think it's dumb that people are shitting so much on Jon when all he really did is say some bad words and say an opinion people disagree with. Is that seriously something worthy of being pissed off about?

Yes, when he says awful things he 100 percent deserves to get called on it.

For me, part of the reason this stuff is so disappointing is because I do like Jon's videos so much. I think they're great.

So I'm just like, aw come on Jon just stop doing stupid things for once. Please.

 

[Polioliolio]

Da Quinn is a horrible person for sleeping with 5 dudes while in a relationship.
The ex-boyfriend is not a bad person for pointing out how he was wronged in that relationship.
Poor guy. People have slit their wrists for less. He really needed to get out of that as soon as he started getting yanked around though. I wouldn't doubt if he's still trying to make it work.

Also, I like Jon Tron. He's like Nathan Lane mixed with Costello and Dom Deluise.
I don't regularly watch his show, but he's gotten a lot of laughs out of me.

 

[Beartruck]

Can we please agree to please stop talking about this nonsense? It is the worst kind of non-news. Does it really matter that someone who makes video game videos said something mildly offensive about how explosive a discussion about a woman's personal life was(that is none of our business), and then that discussion itself became explosive over not even the content of his message, but the tone?

Personally, like his videos or not, I can see the point he was trying to make. He's just not an eloquent man, so he's prone to saying it the wrong way.

 

[Spineker]

Jon was paired up with Quinn at Game Jam and out of all the people involved, they were the only ones who had an actual head-on confrontation. Jon wanted to resolve their differences off stage to avoid any drama getting caught on tape since he recognized the ramifications, least of all which was the possibility of her getting vilified by people for having beef with him. But the director who was only interested in making a drama-fueled reality show brought all the cameras with to catch their off-stage argument as well, which only served to piss both of them off and was another factor in the project failing.

Whatever beef it was it's clear that Jon's stance on the matter was basically "she's not worth the trouble".

I would imagine she had a problem with sexist jokes Jon and Arin might have made on Game Grumps. I can't think of anything else except a personality clash.

Da Quinn is a horrible person for sleeping with 5 dudes while in a relationship.
The ex-boyfriend is not a bad person for pointing out how he was wrong in that relationship.
Poor guy. People have slit their wrists for less. He really needed to get out of that as soon as he started getting yanked around though. I wouldn't doubt if he's still trying to make it work.

Also, I like Jon Tron. He's like Nathan Lane mixed with Costello and Dom Deluise.
I don't regularly watch his show, but he's gotten a lot of laughs out of me.

 

[Spineker]

EDIT: Double.

 

[Jobbs]

Da Quinn is a horrible person for sleeping with 5 dudes while in a relationship.

I'm glad people like you are out there to discuss and pass judgement on the private lives of people you've never met or ever will because an angry ex (who you've also never met) posted a blog. The world needs more of you.

 

[Spineker]

I'm glad people like you are out there to discuss and pass judgement on the private lives of people you've never met or ever will because an angry ex (who you've also never met) posted a blog. The world needs more of you.

Has Quinn ever actually denied these allegations?

 

[Jaeger]

How can you hate on Jon? He's very entertaining, and his show is very well made.

 

[Jobbs]

Has Quinn ever actually denied these allegations?

I don't give a shit?

 

[TheHollowNight]

This slope is gettin' real slippy folks.

 

[stump sock]

What can i tell you, if it directly impacts your enjoyment of his videos, then of course there is no reason why you should keep watching them, but i wouldn't stop watching Aguirre because Kinski was a monster IRL, so this hardly phases me.

I don't think these are comparable issues.

I didn't stop watching Polanski movies because he is (probably) a child molester, but my support of his movies isn't encouraging him to molest more children.

Supporting someone who uses his influence to be a hateful person with a large audience is only encouraging that behavior to continue.

 

[tkscz]

I don't know who this quinn is, so I'm asking to be fair, did she really sleep with a bunch of men to make sure her game got good reviews? That's all I'm asking. I never took offensive to any of Jon's jokes during Game Grumps. Even the infamous put a hole in that... line (and I'm black). But I would never pass judgement on someone I know nothing about. So fill me in on this Quinn character please.

. Supporting someone who uses his influence to be a hateful person with a large audience is only encouraging that behavior to continue.

What audience is Jon hating exactly? Because I never seen it in his videos or tweets. Just this one person.

 

[Spineker]

I don't give a shit?

Well you should, because if it is true, she hasn't exactly got a great moral platform to criticize anything Jon says or does, does she.

 

[NotLiquid]

So I'm hearing from someone I know that Jon actually did apologize on TotalBiscuit's podcast about having potentially offended people, with the obviously appended "I just don't agree that it was a big deal to make".

Anyone who was there on the podcast who can chime in on that?

 

[Jobbs]

I don't think these are comparable issues.

I didn't stop watching Polanski movies because he is (probably) a child molester, but my support of his movies isn't encouraging him to molest more children.

Supporting someone who uses his influence to be a hateful person with a large audience is only encouraging that behavior to continue.

I'd actually go further by pointing out that ever since I originally learned that Polanski enticed a 13 year old girl into his house, got her fucked up, and then ass raped her (yes, ass raped) I made a very affirmative decision to never, ever support any of his work by buying a ticket or a copy of a movie or watching it from a streaming service.

But, yes, again, if you're subscribing to and giving views to this idiot -- you're complicit in all of it.

Well you should, because if it is true, she hasn't exactly got a great moral platform to criticize anything Jon says or does, does she.

What? So we're going to drag people out into the public and put their private lives on trial, trial by internet, in order to decide whether it's a good idea to mock them and post pornographic comics depicting them while all of the internet descends on them? Just so we're clear, is that what you're saying our job is?

 

[MacNille]

Well you should, because if it is true, she hasn't exactly got a great moral platform to criticize anything Jon says or does, does she.

Didn't she also say that cheating on your partner is rape? If so, then she raped her partner. Five times.

 

[Htown]

Well you should, because if it is true, she hasn't exactly got a great moral platform to criticize anything Jon says or does, does she.

Jon is being kind of an asshole whether the allegations are true or not.

 

[Uncle Rupee]

I'd actually go further by pointing out that ever since I originally learned that Polanski enticed a 13 year old girl into his house, got her fucked up, and then ass raped her (yes, ass raped) I made a very affirmative decision to never, ever support any of his work by buying a ticket or a copy of a movie or watching it from a streaming service.

But, yes, again, if you're subscribing to and giving views to this idiot -- you're complicit in all of it.

Are... are you seriously comparing child ass rape to what Jon Tron did?

 

[Spineker]

Jon is being kind of an asshole whether the allegations are true or not.

Jon is being frivolous about an issue he doesn't see as important or worth the drama. This began as a nothing story and it still is.

I'd actually go further by pointing out that ever since I originally learned that Polanski enticed a 13 year old girl into his house, got her fucked up, and then ass raped her (yes, ass raped) I made a very affirmative decision to never, ever support any of his work by buying a ticket or a copy of a movie or watching it from a streaming service.

But, yes, again, if you're subscribing to and giving views to this idiot -- you're complicit in all of it.



What? So we're going to drag people out into the public and put their private lives on trial, trial by internet, in order to decide whether it's a good idea to mock them and post pornographic comics depicting them while all of the internet descends on them? Just so we're clear, is that what you're saying our job is?

First of all, I have a huge issue with you equating Jon's comments/actions with those of Roman Polanski. Polanski commited a terrible crime, Jon did not. Your comparison is bullshit.

Secondly, does Quinn automatically get a copout for being a moral hypocrite because Jon dared to do what hundreds of others were doing....While having a Youtube channel with 1.2 million subscribers? Because he's in the internet "public eye", that makes his actions worse than others? Come on.

Also, "pornographic"....I've seen that comic, and you're pushing the term, my man.

 

[Jobbs]

Are... are you seriously comparing child ass rape to what Jon Tron did?

No. Not at all. Separate tangent. I got sidetracked.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

Regardless of the drama I gotta ask this is the jontron thread for discussion of the videos where he reviews video games is it necessary to argue this here?

 

[tkscz]

I'd actually go further by pointing out that ever since I originally learned that Polanski enticed a 13 year old girl into his house, got her fucked up, and then ass raped her (yes, ass raped) I made a very affirmative decision to never, ever support any of his work by buying a ticket or a copy of a movie or watching it from a streaming service.

But, yes, again, if you're subscribing to and giving views to this idiot -- you're complicit in all of it.

You know something? I support gay marriage. You know who doesn't? Doug Tennaple. But I still play the games he made and buy his books. Because his works do not reflect his political views. Jon's works never bring up this Quinn woman, so I'll still support his work.

No. Not at all. Separate tangent. I got sidetracked.

Dude, that's one hell of a sidetrack.

 

[stump sock]

I made a very affirmative decision to never, ever support any of his work by buying a ticket or a copy of a movie or watching it from a streaming service.

That's a completely reasonable stance to take and I respect that. Mine is a little more problematic, but I'm also comfortable with the idea that my patronage does not endorse or condone that behavior in any direct way.

 

[LiK]

I'm glad people like you are out there to discuss and pass judgement on the private lives of people you've never met or ever will because an angry ex (who you've also never met) posted a blog. The world needs more of you.

I'm still pretty amused people take a vindictive blog post by an angry ex as gospel.

 

[Steve Youngblood]

Can't you guys start a new thread and cry about your SJW bullshit there? No reason to fill this thread up with it.

I understand that it can be frustrating seeing a topic you're engaged in veer off into a different topic of conversation you're less/not interested in. But there has to be a more productive way to phrase this. This post helps nothing besides adding to the existing divisiveness.

 

[Jobbs]

Dude, that's one hell of a sidetrack.

That was just an unfortunately quick switching of tracks -- I saw something and replied to it on its own -- just to clarify, I had no intention of comparing Jontron's dumbass behavior to Polanski and would never do that.

Just for one more sidetrack -- I wouldn't support someone who didn't support gay marriage, so maybe I'm just crazy.

 

[Polioliolio]

I'm glad people like you are out there to discuss and pass judgement on the private lives of people you've never met or ever will because an angry ex (who you've also never met) posted a blog. The world needs more of you.

If you've ever put your heart and soul into a relationship, then learned you were yanked around and the girl who said 'i love you' was banging another dude (or 5), you'd have a bit more sympathy toward the guy.

You reap what you sow. If you cheated on someone and lied repeatedly about it, blaming that person for not trusting you, you deserve to have your dirty laundry out in the open airs.

 

[MacNille]

Don't forget what she did to TYFC. That was just a shit way to do.

 

[MUnited83]

I don't know who this quinn is, so I'm asking to be fair, did she really sleep with a bunch of men to make sure her game got good reviews? That's all I'm asking.

There's not a single review of her game. So nope.

 

[ObbyDent]

If you've ever put your heart and soul into a relationship, then learned you were yanked around and the girl who said 'i love you' was banging another dude (or 5), you'd have a bit more sympathy toward the guy.

You reap what you sow. If you cheated on someone and lied repeatedly about it, blaming that person for not trusting you, you deserve to have your dirty laundry out in the open airs.

Not for the whole world to see

 

[Jobbs]

If you've ever put your heart and soul into a relationship, then learned you were yanked around and the girl who said 'i love you' was banging another dude (or 5), you'd have a bit more sympathy toward the guy.

You reap what you sow. If you cheated on someone and lied repeatedly about it, blaming that person for not trusting you, you deserve to have your dirty laundry out in the open airs.

You're missing my point. There may be some truth, or no truth, or a lot of truth in his blog. I don't give a shit. It does not matter.

It's not our job as the internet to target a woman's private life, dissect it, pass judgement, and then descend on her in a dark swarm of hatred. If you think that's our job, then I don't know what to tell you.

Whether any of the ex's allegations are true does not make it okay to post pornographic comics depicting a woman and basically, in not so many words, slut shaming her. It's just not okay.

The internet is a horrible place.

 

[stump sock]

That was just an unfortunately quick switching of tracks -- I saw something and replied to it on its own -- just to clarify, I had no intention of comparing Jontron's dumbass behavior to Polanski and would never do that.

Just for one more sidetrack -- I wouldn't support someone who didn't support gay marriage, so maybe I'm just crazy.

I think it's a reasonable sidetrack because comparing someone who plays an offensive "character" at times on YT to an actor or director or artist who are bad people in real life but engage in artistic output that is completely unrelated is a bad road to go down.

Jontron may think he's doing schtick but when things you say or do have real-world consequences on other human beings, you might want to reconsider if your brand of humor is really worth hurting people.

 

[Spineker]

I think it's a reasonable sidetrack because comparing someone who plays an offensive "character" at times on YT to an actor or director or artist who are bad people in real life but engage in artistic output that is completely unrelated is a bad road to go down.

Jontron may think he's doing schtick but when things you say or do have real-world consequences on other human beings, you might want to reconsider if your brand of humor is really worth hurting people.

Is it really Jon's responsibility to change for them though, or is it a persons responsibility to know when something isn't for them and to cease watching it?

 

[Admiral Woofington]

I agree and Jon needs to be told that. But harassing him because he has a horrible sense of humor and extreme opinions just seems like fighting fire with fire. If it reaches death threat levels, which as far as I know it hasn't, it'll be the ultimate hypocrisy so I really hope people aren't so up in arms about it.

This reminds me of Orson Scott Card and his political views, specifically those about the LGBT community. They're doing extremely outdated and hateful, but if he writes something good I won't deny myself reading it because I disagree with him.

Or the guy who owns the Chic Fil A restaurants saying he personally doesn't like the LGBT movement. This one is different a bit because it's not like he was parading his opinion around somebody asked him and he answered. The shit storm that ensued with "if you eat chic fil a you're supporting this monster" was hilariously exaggerated.

I hang out with a very politically incorrect group of friends and imho what Jon said wouldn't be any different to something 1 or 2 of my friends might say in the privacy of our close friends and acquaintances. Jon fucked up by making it public.

 

[Toxi]

It's sad to see gamers have become the equivalent of tabloid rags, gossiping about their celebrities' sex lives and prying for any juicy detail to spin into a scandal.

All of you nerds who honestly care about this "Quinnspiracy" shit, please stop trying to find interest in other people's personal lives and do something with your own. Their feelings won't do anything to enrich you.

 

[TimmiT]

he posted a really disgusting comic depicting a real person who actually exists... how about if someone did that to your wife? or sister? or mother? what we say and do matters. people see it and hear it and it affects them.

While it was shitty of him to post the comic, it doesn't seem like his intention was to harass Zoe when he linked it. I also find it kinda weird that he seems to receive far more shit for linking to it than the artist is getting for drawing it.

Yes, when he says awful things he 100 percent deserves to get called on it.

But people aren't just calling him out on it, people are harassing him and calling him a terrible person. Which I could get if he ever actually meant to offend any groups of people, which he never did. He's being incredibly stubborn about apologizing, but that's about it. And while that is wrong, it's not something worth making a big deal about.

 

[stump sock]

Is it really Jon's responsibility to change for them though, or is it a persons responsibility to know when something isn't for them and to cease watching it?

He shares part of the responsibility in that he knows he reaches a large number of people and holds a lot of influence over a good portion of that.

But the other part of the responsibility falls on people who support him, even knowing that his words and actions are hurting other people. People can change. Encourage him to be a better, less hurtful person. You don't have to like him less, but let it be known that it's not okay.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Ugh. Sad to see we have an entire thread dedicated to this overweight poster child of the stereotypical gamer.

Why even come in here just to insult the guy if you have literally nothing else to add? What a pointless contribution.

 

[ab.aeterno]

You know something? I support gay marriage. You know who doesn't? Doug Tennaple. But I still play the games he made and buy his books. Because his works do not reflect his political views. Jon's works never bring up this Quinn woman, so I'll still support his work.

I can understand this in the case of someone like JonTron, even if I'm unsure I'd agree. It's part of separating art from artist. But it definitely get murkier if the person you're patronizing is using their money politically in ways you do not support. I like some of Orson Scott Card's stories, but do I want to give him money when I know he has donated large sums of his money to fight gay marriage? Do I want my money in the pot he draws from to fund something that is directly fighting and hurting me and my interests and values? That become more morally troubling.

Edit:

This reminds me of Orson Scott Card and his political views, specifically those about the LGBT community. They're doing extremely outdated and hateful, but if he writes something good I won't deny myself reading it because I disagree with him.

Or the guy who owns the Chic Fil A restaurants saying he personally doesn't like the LGBT movement. This one is different a bit because it's not like he was parading his opinion around somebody asked him and he answered. The shit storm that ensued with "if you eat chic fil a you're supporting this monster" was hilariously exaggerated.

Uh, you're missing the part where both of these people/groups donated large sums of money to groups or causes actively fighting against LGBT rights. In the case of Chic Fil A, iirc we're talking millions of dollars. It's beyond just giving people your views when you are actively working to discriminate against people with your money.

 

[Polioliolio]

Not for the whole world to see

Says who? The morality police? He's not Jesus Christ.. he's not just gonna turn the other cheek. He's a confused, upset, betrayed human being, and I think it's fair game to simply explain your story. If Batman was real, he'd throw Quinn in Arkham.

It's not our job as the internet to target a woman's private life, dissect it, pass judgement, and then descend on her in a dark swarm of hatred. If you think that's our job, then I don't know what to tell you.

Whether any of the ex's allegations are true does not make it okay to post pornographic comics depicting a woman and basically, in not so many words, slut shaming her. It's just not okay.

The internet is a horrible place.

It's none of our jobs. I'm not one of those people obsessed with the story and picking teams and going to war over this stuff. I don't even think there's much credibility toward her sleeping with folks to better her career. Looks more like she just can't help but sleep with a lot of dudes. The only team I'm on is the team of justice and I feel bad for the guy who thought he was in for a loving relationship.

I looked at it. The comic isn't pornographic. It's a cartoon and not aiming to be sexy. It's making a statement.

The term carries a lot of baggage, but assuming what the boyfriend says is true, if this isn't the most spot on use for slut shaming, I'm not sure what is. Someone who cheats on their significant other with not just 1, but 5 others, deserves to be shamed. Call it what you want.

 

[CaptainBroseph]

He shares part of the responsibility in that he knows he reaches a large number of people and holds a lot of influence over a good portion of that.

But the other part of the responsibility falls on people who support him, even knowing that his words and actions are hurting other people. People can change. Encourage him to be a better, less hurtful person. You don't have to like him less, but let it be known that it's not okay.

All he did was express his opinion. If anything, the harassment is what's not okay, and exposes the type of people who don't want differing opinions to be said.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Or the guy who owns the Chic Fil A restaurants saying he personally doesn't like the LGBT movement. This one is different a bit because it's not like he was parading his opinion around somebody asked him and he answered. The shit storm that ensued with "if you eat chic fil a you're supporting this monster" was hilariously exaggerated.

That was actually some PR spin on their part. First it was discovered that CFA was hosting meetings for anti-gay-rights groups, then that the founder had created a foundation that was donating money to such groups (including seriously harmful shit like "gay conversion therapy"), and then said that allowing gay rights was "inviting God's judgment" on America (ie, the "gay rights caused 9/11 and Katrina" hate bullshit).

"oh shucks he just said that he believes in biblical marriage" was some devious-ass spin.




Anyway, I find it hard to find sympathy for JonTron and his opinions after that lynching picture reply and the embarrassing discussion with Neil Cicierega that followed.

 

[Griddlelol]

Someone who cheats on their significant other with not just 1, but 5 others, deserves to be shamed. Call it what you want.

I don't get why you care about the private life of someone you've never met. Cheating isn't the crime of the millennium worthy of this discussion.

Guess what, I've cheated on a girlfriend and she never found out. Hang me for I'm the worst human being alive.

 

[NotLiquid]

You're missing my point. There may be some truth, or no truth, or a lot of truth in his blog. I don't give a shit. It does not matter.

It's not our job as the internet to target a woman's private life, dissect it, pass judgement, and then descend on her in a dark swarm of hatred. If you think that's our job, then I don't know what to tell you.

Whether any of the ex's allegations are true does not make it okay to post pornographic comics depicting a woman and basically, in not so many words, slut shaming her. It's just not okay.

The internet is a horrible place.

I think most people who will have something to say on this particular instance are less focused on what she did and more focused on what kind of picture it paints of the person as a whole. As bad as it was to out her, that's just irrevocable at this point and because of that, a lot of people will delve into the circumstances and construe an image of Zoe that has a lot more to do with people seeing her as manipulative and guilt-tripping. Just as a lot of what Jon has been saying doesn't paint a good picture of him, similarly there is a lot that doesn't do Zoe any favors either, and that's the key to all this.

It's like that moment in the movie, The Social Network, where Zuckerberg's lawyers advise him to settle on the basis that a Jury would probably not side in his favor; not because he is wrong, but because he has an incredibly unlikable personality.

But you are right, slut shaming is definitely not okay, and that aspect of her should not be any of our business at all at this point.

Anyway, I find it hard to find sympathy for JonTron and his opinions after that lynching picture reply and the embarrassing discussion with Neil Cicierega that followed.

That was pretty bad. Personally though, it got increasingly more awkward when Neil implied he was a "white piece of shit".