JonTron Releases a Statement

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"I genuinely believe this country would be better off if we dropped the hyphens and referred to each other as fellow Americans."

Haha, the backpedaling is real
 
joe2187 said:
Basically anybody that doesnt have "mixed" blood and doesnt have any relatives or parents that are non-white.

Now the key words to look for are

White = American term
Aryan = European term used by mostly Nazis/Nationalists/KKK
Anglo = Scientific term used to describe English, English speaking
European = Term used by politicians to infer that what they're really trying to say is Aryan .
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There is a delicious irony in pre WWI letters between officers of the German KM and British Royal Navy proporting to being the only "White" navies and therefore natural allies. As obviously the French, Italians, Spanish, and Russians ect were all just dagos, asiatics, Slavs, and eggplants. The Germanic peoples, the ones involved in mass immigration/mixing into "Europe" from Asia they're the epitome of children of the soil.

Racism never makes sense as it's bullshit, a structure undermined by how rickety it's very ontological basis is.
 
Godzilla's Left Toe said:
Seriously fuck this guy "I was misconstrued" no you weren't. I have heard this kind of bullshit since 02 "White European culture needs to be save" followed by "Fucking Nigg--" or "Fucking Jews". Also fuck Boogie2988 for defending this asshole " He being attacked because he's independent."yeah no.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyU5Bspq9ok&t=438s
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Jesus, Boogie too?

Can we get a short list of the YouTube gaming personalities that aren't alt-Reich and alt-Reich apologists?
 
Coward.

Liar.

Wooss.

Bigot.

Self-hater.

Rabble-rouser.

None of these are "victim". All of them are "guilty".

Markitron said:
So like every asshole nowadays, spews a bunch of hate-filled bile, blames the media. Sigh.
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Its what you do when you ARE the media now but dont want that realized as long as possible.
 
Boem said:
Of course, I never looked into the actual origin of the word Caucasian, so someone will be along shortly to blow this entire thing to bits
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No, your reasoning is sound, it's all to do with the region. Interestingly, the guy who coined the term said that Germans were the superior Europeans and called other Europeans "dirty whites".
 
Nepenthe said:
"White" was basically a concept made up by the bourgeois centuries ago to prevent indentured and poor whites and enslaved blacks from realizing they were on the same side economically and socially and revolting together. It characterized the ruling class as a sort of standard that lower-class whites could live up to- gave them a taste of power- and thus racial divisions occurred.

Once you understand this, every racial issue in America logically follows: You understand why different European groups like the Irish and Italians were forced to leave behind the depths of their cultures for the security of being considered "white." You understand why Asians even tried at all to legally argue in court that they too should be considered "white." As a result of this attempt at assimilating all of these different cultures and peoples down into this one thing called "whiteness" or "white culture," you understand why even most white people can't actually tell you what "white culture" is, a peculiar problem not faced by ethnic minorities like black people, Latino groups, Asians, and natives.

You understand why white people will, on average, see other poor whites (like those unfortunate coal miners) as undeserving victims of an unfair system while poor blacks are just lazy welfare queens and poor Latinos are all illegals who are undermining proper work standards and diluting the gene pool. You understand why the nearly free land and money grants given to white people by the government throughout this country's history are not considered welfare, while welfare initiatives that work to include minorities too are indicative of "handouts" and "entitlements" that they don't deserve. You understand why white people love the ACA but hate Obamacare. You understand why white people overwhelmingly voted for Trump while most other ethnic minorities- even those who face the exact same kind of economic dead ends that poor white people do- voted the other way regardless.

And finally, you understand why people who look white regardless of them actually being of Iranian descent like JonTron will basically throw themselves on the spear and turn their backs on who they really are to defend whiteness. Because ultimately, "white" means power, and the long and short of it is people don't want to give up their power.
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I understand.
 
Nepenthe said:
"White" was basically a concept made up by the bourgeois centuries ago to prevent indentured and poor whites and enslaved blacks from realizing they were on the same side economically and socially and revolting together. It characterized the ruling class as a sort of standard that lower-class whites could live up to- gave them a taste of power- and thus racial divisions occurred.

Once you understand this, every racial issue in America logically follows: You understand why different European groups like the Irish and Italians were forced to leave behind the depths of their cultures for the security of being considered "white." You understand why Asians even tried at all to legally argue in court that they too should be considered "white." As a result of this attempt at assimilating all of these different cultures and peoples down into this one thing called "whiteness" or "white culture," you understand why even most white people can't actually tell you what "white culture" is, a peculiar problem not faced by ethnic minorities like black people, Latino groups, Asians, and natives.

You understand why white people will, on average, see other poor whites (like those unfortunate coal miners) as undeserving victims of an unfair system while poor blacks are just lazy welfare queens and poor Latinos are all illegals who are undermining proper work standards and diluting the gene pool. You understand why the nearly free land and money grants given to white people by the government throughout this country's history are not considered welfare, while welfare initiatives that work to include minorities too are indicative of "handouts" and "entitlements" that they don't deserve. You understand why white people love the ACA but hate Obamacare. You understand why white people overwhelmingly voted for Trump while most other ethnic minorities- even those who face the exact same kind of economic dead ends that poor white people do- voted the other way regardless.

And finally, you understand why people who look white regardless of them actually being of Iranian descent like JonTron will basically throw themselves on the spear and turn their backs on who they really are to defend whiteness. Because ultimately, "white" means power, and the long and short of it is people don't want to give up their power.
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You better speak the damn truth!

Say it!
 
Busaiku said:
Joe Vargas and Jim Sterling
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Jim Sterling is such a good story because he used to be just as bad as these guys are now but grew the fuck up.

I'm still blocked on Twitter because I called him out on being sexist like 7 years ago...

Dude changed a lot and it wasn't because anyone held his hand either.
 
excelsiorlef said:
Jim Sterling is such a good story because he used to be just as bad as these guys are now but grew the fuck up.

I'm still blocked on Twitter because I called him out on being sexist like 7 years ago...

Dude changed a lot and it wasn't because anyone held his hand either.
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I really hope he does a Jimquistion on this topic tomorrow.

And fuck Jontron for being a racist and releasing an unlisted "apology" video.
 
excelsiorlef said:
Jim Sterling is such a good story because he used to be just as bad as these guys are now but grew the fuck up.

I'm still blocked on Twitter because I called him out on being sexist like 7 years ago...

Dude changed a lot and it wasn't because anyone held his hand either.
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Didn't know that, but I think it's great that he was able to overcome that. I think this is why educating people and calling them out remains important.
 
I just listened to the interview, and Jesus Christ, the bullshit that comes out of his mouth. So many things wrong and inaccurate, more so than anything else the feeling I have for him is pity.

The man doesn't have anything of weight to hold down an argument, and he just spews random words and bullishit.
 
LOL, okay there.

I really have no comment as anything constructive has already been said. He is sad person hoping to get in that "ivory" acceptance is spite of his heritage.

Fuck racists and bigots and fuck him.
 
JediLink said:
I can generally sympathise that being flustered/under pressure can cause you to say things you didn't really want to, e.g. using bad examples and analogies which then could be read into in ways you didn't intend. But the kind of stuff Jon said just can't come from nowhere. There has to be a foundation. You can't just claim you were flustered to bail yourself out.
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I can understand the being flustered/under pressure part and agree with you.

But as you say he must hold those views or picked them up somewhere, you dont just come out with that out of nothing.
 
Yeah, he doesn't deserve any sympathy. Admit you made a mistake and ask for help to correct it.

He's a bigot.
 
Oh look, another piss-poor non-apology from a bigoted gaming YouTuber.

Here's my contribution to this "debate": Go Fuck Yourself.
 
grim-tales said:
I can understand the being flustered/under pressure part and agree with you.

But as you say he must hold those views or picked them up somewhere, you dont just come out with that out of nothing.
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He said a bunch of white nationalist propaganda garbage, then agreed to do a live stream debate with Destiny. I feel like people are confused and think his beliefs didn't come out until the debate, which isn't the case.

There was no fluster responsible.
 
Doctor_Thomas said:
Didn't know that, but I think it's great that he was able to overcome that. I think this is why educating people and calling them out remains important.
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Jim Sterling really figured it out. It's hard to do that in public, because your mistakes are so visible, and you really have to swallow your pride. But he did it. And now he makes great content for an appreciative audience.
 
Nepenthe said:
"White" was basically a concept made up by the bourgeois centuries ago to prevent indentured and poor whites and enslaved blacks from realizing they were on the same side economically and socially and revolting together. It characterized the ruling class as a sort of standard that lower-class whites could live up to- gave them a taste of power- and thus racial divisions occurred.

Once you understand this, every racial issue in America logically follows: You understand why different European groups like the Irish and Italians were forced to leave behind the depths of their cultures for the security of being considered "white." You understand why Asians even tried at all to legally argue in court that they too should be considered "white." As a result of this attempt at assimilating all of these different cultures and peoples down into this one thing called "whiteness" or "white culture," you understand why even most white people can't actually tell you what "white culture" is, a peculiar problem not faced by ethnic minorities like black people, Latino groups, Asians, and natives.

You understand why white people will, on average, see other poor whites (like those unfortunate coal miners) as undeserving victims of an unfair system while poor blacks are just lazy welfare queens and poor Latinos are all illegals who are undermining proper work standards and diluting the gene pool. You understand why the nearly free land and money grants given to white people by the government throughout this country's history are not considered welfare, while welfare initiatives that work to include minorities too are indicative of "handouts" and "entitlements" that they don't deserve. You understand why white people love the ACA but hate Obamacare. You understand why white people overwhelmingly voted for Trump while most other ethnic minorities- even those who face the exact same kind of economic dead ends that poor white people do- voted the other way regardless.

And finally, you understand why people who look white regardless of them actually being of Iranian descent like JonTron will basically throw themselves on the spear and turn their backs on who they really are to defend whiteness. Because ultimately, "white" means power, and the long and short of it is people don't want to give up their power.
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This is a damn, damn good post
 
theCalamity said:
You need to go back to the Frankfurt School. :(

lol
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something something the work of art in the age of mechanical reproduction must be understood as inherently based upon the praxis of politics and thus must be enlisted in the service of the liberation of the proletariat otherwise it shall pressed into the service of producing ritual values for the Fascist machine of war.
 
The Cool Ghosts (Matt Lees and Quintin Smith) go on my list of personalities who aren't total shitheads. Matt has fairly openly called out gamergate and the alt-right multiple times.
 
MKIL65 said:
One of the lesser known:

MrBTongue

Hbomberguy

Matthewmatosis
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TheGamingBrit Considering he's friends with Hbomberguy it's pretty safe to assume he's chill.

Superbunnyhop Is good. He was willing to piss off a chunk of his audience to speak his mind on Trump.

Hyperbithero Posts here.
 
Nepenthe/ Ninja Scooter 2020

Goddamn

AESplusF said:
Well I agree with you, I was responding in reaction to the idea that Jon's "not white" just because he has an Iranian parent.

He looks like any other white person and I really doubt he's faced any discrimination for being half Iranian.
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Lucky him
 
stephen08 said:
Here it is.
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" I Live in the middle of nowhere and I dont know who or what Jontron or destiny was, or what a Youtube celebrity is....but Let me tell you I support Jon and that these roving mobs of Pakistani rape gangs arent going to stop me from being a kid in my neighborhood when I was young....Then the blacks moved in with their rap dogs and music and everybody was scared so I moved out to the middle of nowhere"
 
Closed it when Jon starts trying to say that people dont want to hear "stats".
Still waiting on him to provide stats for the things he said
 
joe2187 said:
" I Live in the middle of nowhere and I dont know who or what Jontron or destiny was, or what a Youtube celebrity is....but Let me tell you I support Jon and that these roving mobs of Pakistani rape gangs arent going to stop me from being a kid in my neighborhood when I was young....Then the blacks moved in with their rap dogs and music and everybody was scared so I moved out to the middle of nowhere"
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It's heartbreaking when his wife comes on later and talks about how women shouldn't be able to vote.
 
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