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July Wrasslin |OT| The Game, The Kane, The Pain, and The Insane (AJ)

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Entropia

No One Remembers
Nocturnowl said:
Gotta be emotionally connected to your character huh Trips? what characters?
As far as the non established main eventers go the best gimmicks we've got is what...Ziggler maybe? doing some show off antics mid match because he's "the show off" and that's pretty much all he can do with that astounding character, still it's miles ahead of such great characters as TYSON KIDD (he went to the Hart Dungeon!), and MICHAEL MCGENESIS (his dad is better than him!) for example.

The thing is HHH is still absolutely right, see R Truth and Rhodes last year and how they got over with their insane warped characters, Truth in particular was great but these situations are few and far between, on top of this Truth is now bland face whose only signs of being unstable come from gesturing at the invisible little Jimmy, Rhodes had his gimmick removed, hell he's not even acting very dashing these days either, throw Ryder in here as well and it's almost as if getting a character over is punishable by character removal or a depush.
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The problem is WWE is in this "reality era" where you can't really have a strong character/gimmick. You can have a certain personality (ie Ziggler, Rhodes, Truth) but we'll never see Kane/Undertake type gimmicks again.
 
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SoulPlaya

more money than God
Entropia said:
The problem is WWE is in this "reality era" where you can't really have a strong character/gimmick. You can have a certain personality (ie Ziggler, Rhodes, Truth) but we'll never see Kane/Undertake type gimmicks again.
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You don't necessarily need those types of gimmicks. A guy like Sandow is a perfect example. Grounded in reality, but he's got an actual personality. Wyatt is another example.

You just need to give guys a chance to show off a personality. Unfortunately, they are not given the opportunity, and it's usually only heels that are. That would be fine, but for some reason, when a guy does turn face (if he's a new guy), they insist on changing his character into a fake rip off of Cena. This is why I don't want Bryan to turn face.

Razorskin said:
99% of the entertainment of Kane in the past came from JR.
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JR, himself, would spit in your face for a comment like that.
 
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Entropia

No One Remembers
SoulPlaya said:
You don't necessarily need those types of gimmicks. A guy like Sandow is a perfect example. Grounded in reality, but he's got an actual personality. Wyatt is another example.

You just need to give guys a chance to show off a personality. Unfortunately, they are not given the opportunity, and it's usually only heels that are. That would be fine, but for some reason, when a guy does turn face (if he's a new guy), they insist on changing his character into a fake rip off of Cena. This is why I don't want Bryan to turn face.
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True.

I don't get why they dropped Rhodes gimmick/personality of being a bit depraved after having his face ruined. He's still a heel and all but they took away what made him being a heel so great ;\
 
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G-Fex

Member
I'm afraid I'd pummel Plywood at Halo Reach.

I almost won the price is right yesterday on the hoganvsflair stream.

Don't worry guys I think this thread needs more Chyna pictures. Less Paige ones.
 
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Nocturnowl

Member
SoulPlaya said:
Dude, I don't get it. You can say a lot of things about the current Kane character, but bland isn't one of them. Relative to the rest of the roster which is nothing but arrogant heels and smirking faces making childish jokes, he's not bland at all. I know that isn't saying much, but still.

Then again, Razor is probably just doing his weekly Kane troll.
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I miss Kane promos but for now the balance of monster power and therefore promo time has shifted to Big Show as their fates are ever intertwined.

Razor's just living through the Razor Ramon gimmick and being the bad guy, see gimmicks are fun, otherwise he's just being a bland troll with a username of Skinner Razorez straight from the WWE name generator and my man Razor would never do such a thing.


Aiii said:
So then Triple H needs to take a long hard look in the mirror and think about what got guys like Austin and Rock to superstardom. It sure as hell wasn't changing their characters once they were getting over. Let them develop naturally, instead of overmanaging them to the point of Truth going from very funny heel to token black guy talking to imaginary person. Same thing with Punk, when they gave the guy a free ticket to go on air and cut a promo he cut the best promo in at least 5 years, maybe longer. They let it continue for a few weeks and everything is great and then the creative team steps in, takes over and everything that got Punk over is nullified in two months time. Have some faith in your top performers Trips.

Also, stop making them job to you and your 50-year old buddies. They're supposed to be the focus of THIS BUSINESS™, not you. Have your in-ring moments, but put the regular performers over.
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The heavy scripting for most peoples promos and the inability to settle on a show plan until like 5 minutes before Raw starts will likely ensure that this situation wont be getting much better anytime soon. This extra hour for Raw could do many things, more plot time, more midcard time, more promo time for non main event wrestlers but we all know that's not going to happen.
We'll get squash matches for character building and nothing more.


Entropia said:
The problem is WWE is in this "reality era" where you can't really have a strong character/gimmick. You can have a certain personality (ie Ziggler, Rhodes, Truth) but we'll never see Kane/Undertake type gimmicks again.
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Thing is I don't even need the elaborate and over the top Taker style gimmicks, stuff like Truth and Rhodes last year is more than enough. You look back at like 2000 and there were so many varying characters jumping around that Steve Blackman was able to have a "gimmick" of being some stoic normal man in a sea of madmen and it was awesome. Now everybody's just some guy, everybody is that one characterless individual from 2000, they are Perry Saturn, actually no, even he got the Moppy gimmick.
 
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bean breath

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I haven't watched a lot of wrestling or followed the thread for about two weeks and I feel really lost.

Does anyone have links to the past 4 'wrestling in roughly 5 minutes' videos?
 
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Linkified

Member
Entropia said:
The problem is WWE is in this "reality era" where you can't really have a strong character/gimmick. You can have a certain personality (ie Ziggler, Rhodes, Truth) but we'll never see Kane/Undertake type gimmicks again.
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We already do though we have The Ascension a tag team which has supernatural powers.
 
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Aiii

So not worth it
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http://wrestlingwithtext.com/my-brief-and-uninsightful-recap/vol-93-wwe-smackdown-2012-7-20
 
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RBH

Member
I've never been a fan of Alex Riley, but even I have to admit that the guy still gets some good pops even though he's been a jobber stuck on Superstars and dark matches for the past year or so.
 
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Kyoufu

Member
RBH said:
I've never been a fan of Alex Riley, but even I have to admit that the guy still gets some good pops even though he's been a jobber stuck on Superstars and dark matches for the past year or so.
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They pop for the music. It's pretty good.
 
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Nocturnowl

Member
djsandman said:
So I made CM Punk in Saints Row: The Third.....

http://i.imgur.com/566pg.jpg[IMG]

I even made an SES Punk

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/OcTYT.jpg[IMG]

What do you guys think?[/QUOTE]

That's actually pretty damn good, in honour of this occasion I present to you my Soul Calibur 5 Undertaker.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/z6lje.jpg
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Striker

Member
Sources within WWE report that John Cena was not the original choice to win the WWE Title Money in the Bank match. The original plan, set weeks before, was to have Chris Jericho win the match and then become the first person to ever cash in the shot unsuccessfully that night after Daniel Bryan and CM Punk’s match. At that point, the plan was to have Punk vs. Bryan as the main event.

WWE decided on the week of the show to go with Cena winning instead. This is why the MITB match got promoted to the main event; officials felt that the ending would lack impact if the show ended with Punk winning and no one cashing in the briefcase.
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Didn't read this before, news to me. Would have been better than to get what there is now. Either way, match was poor, but that was genuinely expected when they announced it.
 
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Striker

Member
SoulPlaya said:
Sounds like dirt sheet BS to me, honestly.
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Yeah, who knows. They could have gone through a multiple amount of re-writes prior to it. The Jericho winning then losing to Bryan-Punk would've been a far more enjoying setup than seeing Cena win, again and getting a title shot when he has no need for a briefcase to earn it. It's just a silly thing to do, but I'm not surprised with their latest booking.
 
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Aiii

So not worth it
Striker said:
Yeah, who knows. They could have gone through a multiple amount of re-writes prior to it. The Jericho winning then losing to Bryan-Punk would've been a far more enjoying setup than seeing Cena win, again and getting a title shot when he has no need for a briefcase to earn it. It's just a silly thing to do, but I'm not surprised with their latest booking.
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I'd rather see Cena cash in and lose or cash in and win via underhanded tactic, causing one of them to turn heel in the process then wastibng it on yet another Jericho loss.
 
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SoulPlaya

more money than God
Striker said:
Yeah, who knows. They could have gone through a multiple amount of re-writes prior to it. The Jericho winning then losing to Bryan-Punk would've been a far more enjoying setup than seeing Cena win, again and getting a title shot when he has no need for a briefcase to earn it. It's just a silly thing to do, but I'm not surprised with their latest booking.
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Not really. Jericho winning it only to lose the cash in would just confirm the "loser" thing he's got going. Cena will likely lose tomorrow, and it won't affect him.

However, and this is what makes the the WWE so frustrating these days. It doesn't matter who wins the MITB match, you know it's going to be Cena/Punk at SS with Cena likely winning that. Cena always wins. It doesn't matter how we get there, he'll win.
 
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spindashing

Banned
djsandman said:
So I made CM Punk in Saints Row: The Third.....

http://i.imgur.com/566pg.jpg[img]

I even made an SES Punk

[img]http://i.imgur.com/OcTYT.jpg[img]

What do you guys think?[/quote]


[quote="Nocturnowl, post: 40140269"]That's actually pretty damn good, in honour of this occasion I present to you my Soul Calibur 5 Undertaker.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/z6lje.jpg[img][/quote]
These two are pretty fantastic guys. I've always liked seeing people create wrestlers in non-wrestling games.
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G-Fex

Member
That's an amazing Taker, Nocturnowl!

Also great job Sandman.

I think Ill have to make John Cena in Saints Row the third.
 
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SousedLouse

Member
bean breath said:
I haven't watched a lot of wrestling or followed the thread for about two weeks and I feel really lost.

Does anyone have links to the past 4 'wrestling in roughly 5 minutes' videos?
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I've got links for the last two weeks, more or less.

RAW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKGA_DXb-wU (the original version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etrh738G2JU&feature=channel&list=UL (the revision + that week's Smackdown)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBre1t-ON6Q&feature=channel&list=UL

I can't find one for this week's Smackdown; maybe thrillmurray didn't make one, or it got pulled or something. But since you said you wanted the past 4 videos:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr...in-roughly-5-american-seconds-in-america_news

Might as well throw that one up for anyone who wanted to watch it again, since it's blocked on YouTube.
 
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bean breath

Member
SousedLouse said:
I've got links for the last two weeks, more or less.

RAW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKGA_DXb-wU (the original version)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etrh738G2JU&feature=channel&list=UL (the revision + that week's Smackdown)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBre1t-ON6Q&feature=channel&list=UL

I can't find one for this week's Smackdown; maybe thrillmurray didn't make one, or it got pulled or something. But since you said you wanted the past 4 videos:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xr...in-roughly-5-american-seconds-in-america_news

Might as well throw that one up for anyone who wanted to watch it again, since it's blocked on YouTube.
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Thanks!
 
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Nocturnowl

Member
spindashing said:
These two are pretty fantastic guys. I've always liked seeing people create wrestlers in non-wrestling games.
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I remember trying to create HHH for the sheer burying time power of a giant hammer but the barebones options limited my plans, but i'm sure now that Namco have crapped out tons of overpriced DLC costume packs that probably eclipse the original options there might be something that could make it work, too bad i'll never know.

KOG said:
That's an amazing Taker, Nocturnowl!

Also great job Sandman.

I think Ill have to make John Cena in Saints Row the third.
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Create John Cena? sounds more game breaking than a good old action replay.

KOG said:
Man, Rumble Roses is such a pervy game.
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Though it's probably better than the current WWE games, I mean it can't be any worse in the gameplay department right?
 
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